carhill Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Most of the material 'enhancements' are a function of clever marketers making people believe that is what they want and/or need. Socio-psychological manipulation morphed into peer pressure. Wonderful I'm getting shorter every day and some day it will bother me, like maybe when I'm dead
betamanlet Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 It's called evolution. Do guys still walk around holding onto a club and grab their women by the hair and pull them around? Guys do plenty to up their appearance. As do women. Things that emphasise viritily and strength. There is no male equivalent to shoes and handbags. What purpose, on the evolutionary scale, do designer clothes, handbags, and shoes serve?
carhill Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 There is no male equivalent to shoes and handbags. Pick a car
CaliGuy Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 In terms of evolution, where do high heels come in? Did cavewomen walk around on skulls and needed men to be taller than they are standing on skulls? Where do designer handbags and shoes come in for purposes of evolution? You're not making sense. You're trying to argue that years of technological advances in humanity is enough to offset a woman's BASIC needs in a relationship (which has never changed). Some of those needs are to be with a male partner that SHE feels is a manly, protective provider who can produce strong, healthy offspring. If part of this feeling is to be with a man who is MUCH taller than her, than she is no more of a position to control that feeling than she can control what food she likes or dislikes. This is a natural, deeply biological preference for women. Trying to rationalize how a woman FEELS about certain men is a monumental waste of time. If more men would STOP worrying about women who reject them and focus on the one's who ARE interested in them, the world would be a much happier place. There are certain things that both sexes do regarding relationships that are a complete waste of time. One of them is try and rationalize why one SHOULD love/accept them. This is utterly silly. Women especially are attracted to how a man makes her feel. And if a TALL man makes her feel like a woman, like she is protected and provided for, that he can give her strong, healthy offspring, then that is who she is going to be attracted to. And if, TO HER, you as a man do not fit that mold then you're merely barking up the wrong tree. The last thing *I* as a person am going to do is waste my valuable time on someone who is not interested in me. If a woman feels that I am not the ideal guy for her then why would I waste a second of my time trying to convince her otherwise -- especially when there are many other women who feel I fit THEIR ideal criteria? See what I'm saying?
dreamergrl Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Things that emphasise viritily and strength. There is no male equivalent to shoes and handbags. What purpose, on the evolutionary scale, do designer clothes, handbags, and shoes serve? I see and know plenty guys wearing designer clothes, nicer then mine at times. What purpose does working out so often where your veins are popping out of your arms have? What about driving a fast car, having top of the line tools, and wanting to impress the ladies with a fancy dinner? I know guys who get their hair done at expensive salons. Get streaks or highlights put in.
betamanlet Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 I see and know plenty guys wearing designer clothes, nicer then mine at times. What purpose does working out so often where your veins are popping out of your arms have? What about driving a fast car, having top of the line tools, and wanting to impress the ladies with a fancy dinner? I know guys who get their hair done at expensive salons. Get streaks or highlights put in. Fast cars, and impressing ladies leads to female interest in them, which leads to sex, which leads to survival of the species. How do shoes, and handbags make men want to have sex with women more, given that women dress up and buy handbags to compete with other women, and not for men? The metrosexual men you describe would have died out in caveman times.
AD1980 Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 You're not making sense. You're trying to argue that years of technological advances in humanity is enough to offset a woman's BASIC needs in a relationship (which has never changed). Some of those needs are to be with a male partner that SHE feels is a manly, protective provider who can produce strong, healthy offspring. If part of this feeling is to be with a man who is MUCH taller than her, than she is no more of a position to control that feeling than she can control what food she likes or dislikes. This is a natural, deeply biological preference for women. Trying to rationalize how a woman FEELS about certain men is a monumental waste of time. If more men would STOP worrying about women who reject them and focus on the one's who ARE interested in them, the world would be a much happier place. There are certain things that both sexes do regarding relationships that are a complete waste of time. One of them is try and rationalize why one SHOULD love/accept them. This is utterly silly. Women especially are attracted to how a man makes her feel. And if a TALL man makes her feel like a woman, like she is protected and provided for, that he can give her strong, healthy offspring, then that is who she is going to be attracted to. And if, TO HER, you as a man do not fit that mold then you're merely barking up the wrong tree. The last thing *I* as a person am going to do is waste my valuable time on someone who is not interested in me. If a woman feels that I am not the ideal guy for her then why would I waste a second of my time trying to convince her otherwise -- especially when there are many other women who feel I fit THEIR ideal criteria? See what I'm saying? Iam not saying you are totally wrong with the bioligical thing that could be somewhat part of it but you dont think ANY part of this could also possibly be the whole Tall Dark and Handsome thing and the short fat and bald thing pushed down womens throats since they were young? That has to have some impact especially on women who are impresionable creatures and desperately want to fit into the status quo Lastly you claim you are 5'10..No offense but its easy to stand on a soapbox and tell short guys they shouldnt worry when your pretty much perfect height for majority of women and very fee percent of the femlae population would refuse to date you because of height.. Try being 5'7 1/2
OpenGL Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 This has only happened once, but I had a girl who was 4'10 tell me I was too short (I am 5'7). Not that I even cared, I didn't like her at all nor did I even come on to her. She just felt the need to tell me I was too short for her. I suppose in her world, as a 5'7 guy I am suppose to date girls below 4'10?
betamanlet Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 This has only happened once, but I had a girl who was 4'10 tell me I was too short (I am 5'7). Not that I even cared, I didn't like her at all nor did I even come on to her. She just felt the need to tell me I was too short for her. I suppose in her world, as a 5'7 guy I am suppose to date girls below 4'10? But what would her friends think if she was only seen hanging off a 5'7 guy, when she could be seen hanging off of a 6'2 guy?
OpenGL Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Try being 5'7 1/2 I'm 5'7 1/2 too (I usually just round down and say 5'7 to be on the safe side), and we are at the edge of not really having to worry about our height too much, we are still taller than most girls. Yes an extra 3-4 inches would open up a lot more doors, but being in the 5'7-5'8 range is still datable. Just don't do any online dating, at our height you will have no success unless you like fat women.
OpenGL Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 But what would her friends think if she was only seen hanging off a 5'7 guy, when she could be seen hanging off of a 6'2 guy? If she wanted to hold out for a 6'2 guy, by all means, but she wasn't particularly attractive both physically and in her personality so I think she would be waiting a very long time Who cares, not my problem though.
Lizzie60 Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 People, people, people. You're expecting women to control what they are attracted to or not attracted to and that's just impossible. The analogies about breast sizes is silly. Height is a factor for many women and you either deal with or you whine about it. My point is that women can't control what they like or don't like anymore than guys can control what looks good to them. Bitching about someone's personal preference is a waste of time. If someone disqualifies you from their dating pool for whatever reason, why would you waste your time arguing about it when there's someone else out there who thinks you're sexy?! Sheesh. I totally agree... well said.
dreamergrl Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Fast cars, and impressing ladies leads to female interest in them, which leads to sex, which leads to survival of the species. How do shoes, and handbags make men want to have sex with women more, given that women dress up and buy handbags to compete with other women, and not for men? The metrosexual men you describe would have died out in caveman times. Women do it often to present themselves. I don't have designer hand bags, but I have certain clothes I like and wear, because the style fits me and my personality. I dress to feel good about me, and because I want to attract men when I'm dating. How many guys would go for a girl who wore sweats and baggy t-shirts out? Iam not saying you are totally wrong with the bioligical thing that could be somewhat part of it but you dont think ANY part of this could also possibly be the whole Tall Dark and Handsome thing and the short fat and bald thing pushed down womens throats since they were young? That has to have some impact especially on women who are impresionable creatures and desperately want to fit into the status quo Lastly you claim you are 5'10..No offense but its easy to stand on a soapbox and tell short guys they shouldnt worry when your pretty much perfect height for majority of women and very fee percent of the femlae population would refuse to date you because of height.. Try being 5'7 1/2 Get over it. I was called chunky by a guy I was dating, and was told to lose 10 pounds (at five five and 135 pounds). I ditched him and went for a guy who liked me for who I was. The guy I ditched ended up with a pencil thin girl with no arse. Big deal. This has only happened once, but I had a girl who was 4'10 tell me I was too short (I am 5'7). Not that I even cared, I didn't like her at all nor did I even come on to her. She just felt the need to tell me I was too short for her. I suppose in her world, as a 5'7 guy I am suppose to date girls below 4'10? ONCE being the key word, being she had a preference. Oh well. But what would her friends think if she was only seen hanging off a 5'7 guy, when she could be seen hanging off of a 6'2 guy? Are you serious? What do your friends think of your logic?
dreamergrl Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 If she wanted to hold out for a 6'2 guy, by all means, but she wasn't particularly attractive both physically and in her personality so I think she would be waiting a very long time Who cares, not my problem though. Why? Because she likes and is attracted to a certain physical trait? Just because you don't find her attractive doesn't mean someone else wont. Which just proves the point of preference.
OpenGL Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 ONCE being the key word, being she had a preference. Oh well. Calm down, it was a random anecdote, never claimed this was how all girls are. I don't make AS big of a deal of height as most guys on here but I do acknowledge it does hurt you in the game, exponentially, and you kind of fall off a cliff if you go below 5'5.
betamanlet Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Women do it often to present themselves. I don't have designer hand bags, but I have certain clothes I like and wear, because the style fits me and my personality. I dress to feel good about me, and because I want to attract men when I'm dating. How many guys would go for a girl who wore sweats and baggy t-shirts out? Get over it. I was called chunky by a guy I was dating, and was told to lose 10 pounds (at five five and 135 pounds). I ditched him and went for a guy who liked me for who I was. The guy I ditched ended up with a pencil thin girl with no arse. Big deal. ONCE being the key word, being she had a preference. Oh well. Are you serious? What do your friends think of your logic? I would much rather meet a woman in sweatpants than in designer name brand clothes. I met my last girlfriend when she was wearing jeans, a tshirt, and a baseball hat. I prefer that infinetely over high heels some designer skirt, blouse and handbag.. Also, a woman's butt looks its best in jeans, hence why I like when women wear jeans. Oh, and even now, they have "Designer" sweatpants. Every time you see a girl with "Juicy" on her butt, don't forget that.
OpenGL Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Why? Because she likes and is attracted to a certain physical trait? Just because you don't find her attractive doesn't mean someone else wont. Which just proves the point of preference. I said that because she is attracted to a very desirable physical trait where there is a lot of competition and I personally don't think she has the physical and personality attractiveness to be competitive. Of course that's my personal opinion and I could be wrong.
CaliGuy Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Lastly you claim you are 5'10..No offense but its easy to stand on a soapbox and tell short guys they shouldnt worry when your pretty much perfect height for majority of women and very fee percent of the femlae population would refuse to date you because of height.. Try being 5'7 1/2 You assume that I've never been rejected due to my height alone. Been there, done that, got the tee-shirt. My point is that I don't waste my time trying to rationalize WHY I was rejected. Instead, I spend my time focused on the women who ARE interested in me. And I'm 1000% happier because of it. People who focus on their height, who use it as an excuse for why they aren't having success with the opposite sex have only themselves to blame. Height may be a deal-breaker for some women, but if you don't let it bother you and focus on the women who are interested in you (ie: display confidence and self-respect) then you too will be much happier. You no control over your height. You have 100% control over your attitude. Take that advice or leave it. It's up to you. This has only happened once, but I had a girl who was 4'10 tell me I was too short (I am 5'7). Not that I even cared, I didn't like her at all nor did I even come on to her. She just felt the need to tell me I was too short for her. I suppose in her world, as a 5'7 guy I am suppose to date girls below 4'10? Already explained this. She didn't judge you based on HER height. She judged you based on your height vs other men -- and she wants a really tall guy. So what?! Let her be free to choose what she wants just like YOU are free to accept or reject whomever you want. But what would her friends think if she was only seen hanging off a 5'7 guy, when she could be seen hanging off of a 6'2 guy? I highly suspect her choice of a tall man has little do with her friend and much more to do with how a tall man makes her FEEL.
betamanlet Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Calm down, it was a random anecdote, never claimed this was how all girls are. I don't make AS big of a deal of height as most guys on here but I do acknowledge it does hurt you in the game, exponentially, and you kind of fall off a cliff if you go below 5'5. I have a feeling 5'5 guys utilize Prostitutes. Probably their best clients.
EmmaLou Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Good on you for not seeing it as a negative, and proving that it's not height that determines success, but attitude. It's the same with men with a small penis complex... No matter how much you say it doesn't matter, and your pleasure from their penis is obvious.... They will never believe you.
betamanlet Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 You assume that I've never been rejected due to my height alone. Been there, done that, got the tee-shirt. My point is that I don't waste my time trying to rationalize WHY I was rejected. Instead, I spend my time focused on the women who ARE interested in me. And I'm 1000% happier because of it. People who focus on their height, who use it as an excuse for why they aren't having success with the opposite sex have only themselves to blame. Height may be a deal-breaker for some women, but if you don't let it bother you and focus on the women who are interested in you (ie: display confidence and self-respect) then you too will be much happier. You no control over your height. You have 100% control over your attitude. Take that advice or leave it. It's up to you. Already explained this. She didn't judge you based on HER height. She judged you based on your height vs other men -- and she wants a really tall guy. So what?! Let her be free to choose what she wants just like YOU are free to accept or reject whomever you want. I highly suspect her choice of a tall man has little do with her friend and much more to do with how a tall man makes her FEEL. Yup, women don't like to compete with each other.. And how does being with a guy 1.5 feet taller than make you feel? Impervious from sabre tooth tigers and other extinct predators? The feeling is the attention and the "look what I have" showing off thing.
OpenGL Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Already explained this. She didn't judge you based on HER height. She judged you based on your height vs other men -- and she wants a really tall guy. So what?! Let her be free to choose what she wants just like YOU are free to accept or reject whomever you want. Ok, you're probably right, but did you guys reading this keep skipping over the part where I said I didn't care? You guys keep sayings like "who cares, let her have her preferences", when in the OP I specifically said I didn't care.
AD1980 Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 I'm 5'7 1/2 too (I usually just round down and say 5'7 to be on the safe side), and we are at the edge of not really having to worry about our height too much, we are still taller than most girls. Yes an extra 3-4 inches would open up a lot more doors, but being in the 5'7-5'8 range is still datable. Just don't do any online dating, at our height you will have no success unless you like fat women. Yeah im not saying im awful height its only a litle over an inch under the norm im just saying the guy 5'10 is saying not to worry when at 5'10 a very small percntage of women would not give him a chance off height alone.. But i agree where in somewhat aceptable territory..Girls who only want tall guys we obviously we stay away from but i think were fine witht he rest even the ones who say they want a guy at least aorund 5'8.5'9 because women really dont measure a guys height in person and im sure she couldnt tell the difference if she was into us I try to stay lean and not get too muscular because at you tend to look shorter
OpenGL Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Yeah it's really hard to tell exactly how tall someone is in person, especially in a social setting like a bar or a club, all women can see is "that guy is taller than that guy" or "that guy is about as tall as that guy". I have a friend that's about 5'9 and just standing around he doesn't really look that much taller than me. And I am still taller than 70% of the girls and have no problem getting looks and talking to women. Online though, it's a whole different ballgame where stats are everything.
betamanlet Posted October 28, 2009 Posted October 28, 2009 Yeah it's really hard to tell exactly how tall someone is in person, especially in a social setting like a bar or a club, all women can see is "that guy is taller than that guy" or "that guy is about as tall as that guy". I have a friend that's about 5'9 and just standing around he doesn't really look that much taller than me. And I am still taller than 70% of the girls and have no problem getting looks and talking to women. Online though, it's a whole different ballgame where stats are everything. Then don't date online. Women are far pickier online. A woman would would never give you a shot on match would probably give you her number at a bar or bookstore. Being in person gives you an advantage.
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