cognac Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 America is a young nation founded on the striving and optimistic ideals of free enterprise, true equality, and achievement. The media and ad industries have distorted these ideals to capitalize on them and extort money from the nation's citizens, with chilling effectiveness. The further away these ideals of "perfection" are held from our daily lives, the more **** we will buy to try to bridge the gap. Many Americans are in a corporate choke-hold of thought, opinion, and lifestyle. America is a paradise for people who have nothing in their brains or in their hearts/soul/whatever you want to call it. It's where people with peabrains can escape into the world of consumerism and has nothing to do with real beauty. For example look at "Megan Fox". I think she is repulsive, not just from a physical point of view (looks very fake and porn-star like) but also her personality and room temperature IQ means to me that she should be getting the opposite treat ment she currently gets as some kind of heroine. There is nothing wrong with striving for beauty at all. I personally think it is a noble ideal, the Greeks strived for perfection and it made them the master race of the ancient world. Striving for true beauty and perfection is very different from what the typical woman or man in the USA would consider to be perfection. There is of course a skull shape and body shape that is universally beautiful , but people tend to call beautiful (especially women) guys who look like they have a lot of money, rather than actual genuine beauty independent of this. A guy i know from Europe told me when he came to this country he was shocked by the celebrity lust.. Said he saw all these married people still doing it and said he thought it was unhealthy and basically telling your parnter listen im with you because i had to settle but this is a guy/girl id truly lust after if i had the chance he/shes superior to you..[/Quote] Women in Europe are far more intelligent than the ones in America, by miles. You'd be surprised at how unconventional the tastes are of many European women. In places like France a woman won't think twice about dating a guy whose a little shorter or even a lot shorter, if he is relatively handsome and smart (not even rich). They don't NEARLY as many turn offs as American women do, who get turned off as soon as they see their man blow his nose or scratch his nads, probably for that reason, that women in Europe don't look for the perfect pretty boy fictional characters they see and love in Hollywood.
AD1980 Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 I lived in Europe at two different times in my life, for 3 years total, and I was shocked to see that in magazines, they do not airbrush out women's wrinkles and cellulite. There was a fitness feature, with a slender, in-shape woman with a little bit of visible cellulite on the backs of her legs (totally normal, though many men on this forum love to argue that it's not -- they are completely brainwashed by the media and ad industries). In comparison, the images of people in magazines in the US look like idealized robots. It's really sickening. I agree though i dont think its just men brainwashed i think women also buy into what the ideal man should look like by the media.. But the guy made a good point he said he thinks allto of people are cheating nowadays because the average person is not with someobdy who looks like the standard of beauty man or women on tv and thinks he or she can and should do better
AD1980 Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 LOL Dont be bitter bro Not bitter just pointing out reality,im used to this stuff by now:laugh:
jerseyboy Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 America is a paradise for people who have nothing in their brains or in their hearts/soul/whatever you want to call it. It's where people with peabrains can escape into the world of consumerism and has nothing to do with real beauty. For example look at "Megan Fox". I think she is repulsive, not just from a physical point of view (looks very fake and porn-star like) but also her personality and room temperature IQ means to me that she should be getting the opposite treat ment she currently gets as some kind of heroine. There is nothing wrong with striving for beauty at all. I personally think it is a noble ideal, the Greeks strived for perfection and it made them the master race of the ancient world. Striving for true beauty and perfection is very different from what the typical woman or man in the USA would consider to be perfection. There is of course a skull shape and body shape that is universally beautiful , but people tend to call beautiful (especially women) guys who look like they have a lot of money, rather than actual genuine beauty independent of this. Women in Europe are far more intelligent than the ones in America, by miles. You'd be surprised at how unconventional the tastes are of many European women. In places like France a woman won't think twice about dating a guy whose a little shorter or even a lot shorter, if he is relatively handsome and smart (not even rich). They don't NEARLY as many turn offs as American women do, who get turned off as soon as they see their man blow his nose or scratch his nads, probably for that reason, that women in Europe don't look for the perfect pretty boy fictional characters they see and love in Hollywood. LMAO You really believe that crap? LOL Although Euro's are far mroe disgusting in terms of personal hygiene, so if your thing is being too lazy to bathe daily, then I suppose youve found your paradise.
jerseyboy Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 Not bitter just pointing out reality,im used to this stuff by now:laugh: haha I just find it funny when people get angry over this stuff, whether it be over looks, penis size or money. What do you expect people to say to someone lacking in any or all of the above? Yeah you suck lol Who wa nts to listen to some person rant and whine about how shallow they are blah blah blah, and what a terrible person they are because of it.
Edward10 Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 haha I just find it funny when people get angry over this stuff, whether it be over looks, penis size or money. What do you expect people to say to someone lacking in any or all of the above? Yeah you suck lol Who wa nts to listen to some person rant and whine about how shallow they are blah blah blah, and what a terrible person they are because of it. Yeah that stuff is shallow. Totally shallow. Find better friends.
jerseyboy Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 Yeah that stuff is shallow. Totally shallow. Find better friends. Find it far more shallow to become incensed ove rsome females biological imperatives while ignoring ones own. We are programmed to desire what we do. It doesnt make them bad people
AD1980 Posted November 20, 2009 Posted November 20, 2009 Find it far more shallow to become incensed ove rsome females biological imperatives while ignoring ones own. We are programmed to desire what we do. It doesnt make them bad people I agree,sometimes im bitter that i dont feel im attractive to women but im not bitter at the actual women You can never knock someobdy for a preference,only time i get annoyed is when they put down a look or someobdy lacking something instead of just saying its not my cup of tea..No reason to deman someone
gypsy_nicky Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 I agree,sometimes im bitter that i dont feel im attractive to women but im not bitter at the actual women I'm feeling ya brotha
gypsy_nicky Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 (edited) I agree with the other posters here, you should give him another chance. Hope you update us on it. It could be several things that may make you not attracted to him. The very thing I can think of is maybe this guy aint really a 9 or a 10 but a 7-8 who works hard to be a 9-10 through working out, primping and preening. Because from what you described him to be, he seems very vain and self centered. I have bodybuilder and fitness friends, and theyre the most egotistic persons you'll meet. The other thing is, maybe you tend to shut down the real you when faced with someone this attractive so you constantly surveillance yourself leading your interaction to be boring or dull because you are trying hard to match (insecurity) his looks while he's trying even harder to keep up his 'physical' assets for admiration. I'm not saying your insecure but most often attractive people make other people feel bad about themselves (especially the self centered, arrogant ones) too hence the surveillance. There's a good side to this too. What I've noticed about attractive people is they tend to make others very competitive. It's like when theyre around you'd want to look your best or look at your best and you strive to look your best. Edited November 22, 2009 by gypsy_nicky
Author Ruby Slippers Posted November 22, 2009 Author Posted November 22, 2009 There's a good side to this too. What I've noticed about attractive people is they tend to make others very competitive. It's like when theyre around you'd want to look your best or look at your best and you strive to look your best. I cannot deny that I was susceptible to this sway. The evening of our date, I took 15 extra minutes to look nice, and on my way to the date, I got like 5 times the attention I usually do. A man who passed me in the street BLEW ME A KISS. And this other guy leaned out of his car and goes, "You're perfect." hahaha! OK, so, we've had a text exchange today which I find hilarious. On the first date, he asked when I'm available again, and I said maybe Sunday. We were not in touch in the meantime, so I didn't plan on it. But I woke up today (late, I slept in) to a phone message from him asking me to have coffee again today. Then here begins the text exchange: Me: "Hey, we didn't make a solid plan, so I made other plans. Also, seems we want different things. Enjoy your Sunday." Him: ":( I can adapt. I liked hanging out with you.", and another: "Plus, we haven't jammed on guitars!" (I'm a musician, and he plays a bit for fun.) Me: "Let me be totally honest here. You're clearly trying to get laid. And I'm not into casual sex. You're cute and buff. Shouldn't be hard to find sex only. :)" Him: "I'll take you to the movies, dinner, walks. Please just think about it. I've got good herb and also wanted to beat you in tennis . I can be a boyfriend too." Oh, modern dating.
Author Ruby Slippers Posted November 22, 2009 Author Posted November 22, 2009 I know, right?! "I can be a boyfriend too" = "I can be a boyfriend if that's what it takes to get in your pants"
jerseyboy Posted November 22, 2009 Posted November 22, 2009 Awww What happened What did he say/do to give you that impression?
Author Ruby Slippers Posted November 22, 2009 Author Posted November 22, 2009 Just a lot of clues that added up to one clear message. Basically, he's not treating me like someone he really wants to get to know -- just someone he'd like to pass some time with and have sex with. I don't take it personally. It's possible he treats all women this way. We want different things. And hey, I am pretty sure that what he's offering will still be there if ever I change my mind.
Author Ruby Slippers Posted November 23, 2009 Author Posted November 23, 2009 You seem more disappointed about it than I am. This is what I expected. It was a good lesson, in that it showed me I can trust my intuition. He was actually more of a gentleman that I expected him to be. Just a hot gentleman who wants sex. Nothing extraordinary about it.
jerseyboy Posted November 23, 2009 Posted November 23, 2009 You seem more disappointed about it than I am. This is what I expected. It was a good lesson, in that it showed me I can trust my intuition. He was actually more of a gentleman that I expected him to be. Just a hot gentleman who wants sex. Nothing extraordinary about it. Well, it sounds as if he gave you cause to think so. I did take the I can be a bf comment differently than you. Sounds like a playful joke to me. Its only one date, not like hes going to say yes I want to be in a relationship with you. Sincerity is also easily discernable by just waiting and seeing what kind of effort he is willing to invest without sex as part of the equation. But it strikes that there were likely other things as well, and you just werent that interested
Author Ruby Slippers Posted November 23, 2009 Author Posted November 23, 2009 Sincerity is also easily discernable by just waiting and seeing what kind of effort he is willing to invest without sex as part of the equation. But it strikes that there were likely other things as well, and you just werent that interested I think that if he contacts me and asks me out on a proper date -- lunch or dinner -- I might go. I mean, why not? If he doesn't do that, it shows me his interest lies only in one place. But yeah, at this point I can take him or leave him. His main strength is his looks, and mine is my smarts/capabilities. So, this might work great if I were the guy and he were the girl, but with the genders being what they are, realistically it seems unlikely to have staying power.
jalbertson Posted November 23, 2009 Posted November 23, 2009 Watch a movie from a foreign country for example. 9 Reinas, Kontroll, Brother, etc. All the people in these movies are decent looking, but they are non-the less, people from the street, not BRAD PITT. Interesting point. Whenever I watch British TV, I'm always shocked by the number of average/plain-looking characters. You seldom get that in American TV shows, unless it's for comic effect.
Dexter Morgan Posted November 23, 2009 Posted November 23, 2009 Yesterday I was walking home, very dressed down in cords and a hoodie, no makeup or hair-do, and this ridiculously gorgeous man stopped me to ask for directions. After I helped him out, he started chatting with me and eventually asked me out for coffee sometime. He asked for my number, but since I was suspicious, given his dashing good looks, and since I'm seeing someone new right now and have never multi-dated, I told him to give me his number. This bought me some time to think about whether I want to talk to him again. This guy was smoking hot with a gorgeous body. I'm all right, but this guy is male model material. I feel pretty naive about this stuff, still. So, LSers, I ask you... He's just looking for a hookup, yes? (He's so delicious, I'm tempted to call him just for that. If I weren't dating this other guy and considering him, I might. ) yes, he is looking for a hookup. I don't know what you look like, so I'm going by your own description. If you were all dressed down and didn't bother to do anything with yourself and considering yourself "all right", its very likely this is one of the many guys who thinks he is god's gift to women and thinks you should probably be overwhelmed with sweet that he even talked to you. Therefore he might think you are easy for him to get. but here you are seeing someone else, so if you want to take a chance to date a gorgeous guy, then maybe you should end it with the other guy first. Then take your chances as to this guy's true motives. my opinion? he is just looking to add a notch to his belt.
Phateless Posted November 23, 2009 Posted November 23, 2009 (edited) I cannot deny that I was susceptible to this sway. The evening of our date, I took 15 extra minutes to look nice, and on my way to the date, I got like 5 times the attention I usually do. A man who passed me in the street BLEW ME A KISS. And this other guy leaned out of his car and goes, "You're perfect." hahaha! OK, so, we've had a text exchange today which I find hilarious. On the first date, he asked when I'm available again, and I said maybe Sunday. We were not in touch in the meantime, so I didn't plan on it. But I woke up today (late, I slept in) to a phone message from him asking me to have coffee again today. Then here begins the text exchange: Me: "Hey, we didn't make a solid plan, so I made other plans. Also, seems we want different things. Enjoy your Sunday." Him: ":( I can adapt. I liked hanging out with you.", and another: "Plus, we haven't jammed on guitars!" (I'm a musician, and he plays a bit for fun.) Me: "Let me be totally honest here. You're clearly trying to get laid. And I'm not into casual sex. You're cute and buff. Shouldn't be hard to find sex only. :)" Him: "I'll take you to the movies, dinner, walks. Please just think about it. I've got good herb and also wanted to beat you in tennis . I can be a boyfriend too." Oh, modern dating. Honestly Ruby, you seem hell-bent on listening to your insecurities more than what this guy says. He said outright "I can be a boyfriend." I can't fathom how you could POSSIBLY interpret that as him NOT wanting a relationship?! It's one thing if you don't find him mentally engaging, that's completely valid, but to assume that all he wants is sex just because he is attractive is ridiculous. That's just as shallow as anything. So he's hot, he's probably not used to working super hard for girls. He's just acting how he always has. I'm not getting on your case, I'm just pointing out the inconsistencies in your thought process. You are listening to your own fears more than the words that came out of his mouth (or text). You see what I'm saying? You're being defensive based on his looks. My gf does this all the time and it's a real communication barrier. I say "would you mind moving an inch?" and she flies to the other side of the room. Then she says "you told me to get away from you." NO, I did not. Edited November 23, 2009 by Phateless
cognac Posted November 23, 2009 Posted November 23, 2009 Interesting point. Whenever I watch British TV, I'm always shocked by the number of average/plain-looking characters. You seldom get that in American TV shows, unless it's for comic effect. Yeah. For us guys who live in the U.S., just realize the superficial nature of people doesn't get any worse than here. Unfortunately American culture and values are spreading throughout the world. Watch the movie Brother, the main character is a boyish, slim, decent looking, but nothing special. Yet girls in Russia go crazy for him because of how brutal and manly he is in these films. The actor who plays him in that movie would never make it very far in America in action hero roles. In American action movies it is almost a given that to be manly, dominant, and tough you must be extremely muscular, tall, loud, etc first, so men chase this because this is what women view as a "man".
Author Ruby Slippers Posted November 24, 2009 Author Posted November 24, 2009 So he's hot, he's probably not used to working super hard for girls. He's just acting how he always has. Well, I don't find the way he's acted all that appealing. After the date, he offered me a ride home, but I said thanks but no thanks, since I barely know him at this point. So he said, "I'll walk you to your train stop." Great. It was only two blocks away, but after walking half a block and getting to his car, he didn't walk me any further. Saying you're going to do something then not doing it is lame. Though we tentatively discussed getting together on Sunday, he didn't make a plan or contact me again till that day. I already told him before that I like to plan things in advance, given my schedule. If he'd really wanted to see me again, he would have asked me out in advance. Also, he made too big of a deal out of his "herb" and asked if I wanted to "hang out" next time and smoke with him. I was pretty sure, and some friends confirmed, that that is definitely code for sex. And I called him on it. He did not refute, just asked me out for another coffee date instead. Two coffee dates in a row? Lame. Second date should be something more fun -- lunch, dinner, or something at least slightly novel. At best, he has low imagination, which is a big turn-off. I am pretty sure I can do better.
Phateless Posted November 24, 2009 Posted November 24, 2009 Well, I don't find the way he's acted all that appealing. After the date, he offered me a ride home, but I said thanks but no thanks, since I barely know him at this point. So he said, "I'll walk you to your train stop." Great. It was only two blocks away, but after walking half a block and getting to his car, he didn't walk me any further. Saying you're going to do something then not doing it is lame. Though we tentatively discussed getting together on Sunday, he didn't make a plan or contact me again till that day. I already told him before that I like to plan things in advance, given my schedule. If he'd really wanted to see me again, he would have asked me out in advance. Also, he made too big of a deal out of his "herb" and asked if I wanted to "hang out" next time and smoke with him. I was pretty sure, and some friends confirmed, that that is definitely code for sex. And I called him on it. He did not refute, just asked me out for another coffee date instead. Two coffee dates in a row? Lame. Second date should be something more fun -- lunch, dinner, or something at least slightly novel. At best, he has low imagination, which is a big turn-off. I am pretty sure I can do better. Ok, I'm satisfied. I rescind my prior assertions. He's hot but boring and lame. NEXT!
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