justforfun Posted October 16, 2009 Posted October 16, 2009 Sorry if it's already been posted but to be honest I got a few lines into the post and lost the will. I would love to see what the males perspective is...written by a male. Now that would be interesting.
Johnny M Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Amusing post. Much of what the OP states is true...
Johnny M Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 The only preference I have is height, and that is it. I'm not expecting a guy to look like a GQ model, and drive an expensive sports car. LOL. How is a preference for height any less "shallow" than a preference for large breasts, or a nice firm ass, or a pretty face?
TheLoneSock Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 What the ****? I feel like I just read an instruction manual to a robot. "Go to an expensive store and buy socks so you can carry the labeled bag around the mall." That sounds so lame it's not even funny.
You'reasian Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 This applies when it comes to men as well. I feel men are much more shallow than women. They won't even hold a door open for you if you aren't pretty enough. BS. Most guys I know will hold a door for most women.
Author OpenGL Posted October 19, 2009 Author Posted October 19, 2009 This is an interesting post. I agree with it. My question is, is it possible to be a 9-10 at 5 foot 11? If not, what's the highest you can rank at 5 foot 11? Definitely, but 5'11 is about the minimum to be a 9-10. At your height it's probably the most difficult but definitely doable. I have been following your threads and your height is definitely not your issue. Your stubby fingers wouldn't cause you to not get first dates but it could cause you not to be able to keep women. But with that said, even at 5'11 you could be a the lower end of the looks spectrum. Hell you can be 6'4 and be a 3. Height is definitely not enough but it does set a hard cap on your looks.
Author OpenGL Posted October 19, 2009 Author Posted October 19, 2009 LOL. How is a preference for height any less "shallow" than a preference for large breasts, or a nice firm ass, or a pretty face? It's not, it's equally as shallow since height genetic just like large breast or a pretty face. Don't let women tell you otherwise.
carhill Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Doesn't matter. The power of the p*ssy always wins because another male will fold
justforfun Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 It's not, it's equally as shallow since height genetic just like large breast or a pretty face. Don't let women tell you otherwise. It's not shallow dumbass. It's basic human biology. We're hard wired to look for those things. Boy oh boy doesn't anybody read anything except forum posts?
justforfun Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Doesn't matter. The power of the p*ssy always wins because another male will fold Yup. That about sums it up!
Johnny M Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 It's not, it's equally as shallow since height genetic just like large breast or a pretty face. Don't let women tell you otherwise. I was being sarcastic...
justwantlove Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Definitely, but 5'11 is about the minimum to be a 9-10. At your height it's probably the most difficult but definitely doable. I have been following your threads and your height is definitely not your issue. Your stubby fingers wouldn't cause you to not get first dates but it could cause you not to be able to keep women. But with that said, even at 5'11 you could be a the lower end of the looks spectrum. Hell you can be 6'4 and be a 3. Height is definitely not enough but it does set a hard cap on your looks. Im sorry but IMO this is tottal bull!! You are not short, the average height of a woman is 5'4. I like my men to be about 4 to 6 inches taller then me. You'd actually be too tall. I dont know what happened to you when you were younger in regards to your height but i really hope you can get past this issue and put your energy somewhere you'll see positive results. The book i mentioned earlier called The Game. Is pretty interesting. A average looking reported infiltrated the world of the pick up artist and writes about his experience. It isnt an instruction guide but its cool to know that with a couple techniques its easy to pick up women. I think if you need some confiedence in approaching women look into some of the icebreakers they use. If your ever in boarders and get board read the introduction the the book its a good read.
CaliGuy Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Paraphrasing: 1. Take care of yourself physically. (don't get fat!) 2. Pay attention to your appearance (sloppy is bad, mmk?) LOOK good. 3. Confident, self-assured, fun/funny men = attractive. Did I get it right? What did I win?! (PS: This is stuff we've talked about many times before here on LS)
Johnny M Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Im sorry but IMO this is tottal bull!! You are not short, the average height of a woman is 5'4. I think it depends on your ethnic background. 5'4 may be the average height for asian and hispanic women, but certainly not for whites (except Italians, Greeks and other South Europeans) or blacks.
Author OpenGL Posted October 19, 2009 Author Posted October 19, 2009 Your stubby fingers wouldn't cause you to not get first dates but it could cause you not to be able to keep women. QUOTE] Oh my god... are you serious? Are you a guy or a girl? I've been looking at my hands recently and they are actually very thick, wider than every guy I know. My fingers are just slightly shorter than most people. Do you girls agree that I wouldn't be able to keep a girl because of my hands?????? I'm a guy, and a player. Of course you can keep a girl with those hands, but on average the quality of those girls will be less.
Johnny M Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Oh my god... are you serious? Are you a guy or a girl? I've been looking at my hands recently and they are actually very thick, wider than every guy I know. My fingers are just slightly shorter than most people. Have you considered replacing your arms with artificial limbs? They can make your new fingers as long and skinny as you want
Author OpenGL Posted October 19, 2009 Author Posted October 19, 2009 So even if I had every other good quality, you still think I couldn't keep a 8-9 girl because of my short fingers? Say I were a 9.5 (hypothetically) but I just had my short fingers... you still think that? In that case you likely could. It's relative man there is no formula. All as I am saying is no average because of your defects your long term staying power will be lower. If you are a 6 it will be a lot lower, if you are a 9 it will have less of an effect.
cognac Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Ok I get it. Make the position extreme and your point is made. I do not agree with this post at all. In fact I have seen more pretty women with below average looking men, in fact some are my closest friends. The ones where you scratch your head and wonder, wow how did that happen?? I have to say I rarely see the the reverse of this. Looks are important but more importantly is chemistry. Just because someone is good looking does not mean you will have chemistry with them at all. This is simple and put it to the test if you want to know the answer. I sure have....I would take average looks and great chemsitry any day of the week....Hands down! I hear women say this a lot but I think your perception is skewed by the fact that society overinflates the value of women while for a man to be considered attractive it is far more difficult. For a woman to be perfect, a 10, she has to be of a normal, slim weight, have a pretty face, and a tolerable personality. It's not everyone, but it's definitely doable. For a man to be a 10 he has to be 6 feet tall, financially "secure" (rich), have a handsome face, an athletic/gym produced body, have a great sense of humor, have an edge to him (women can be boring but not men), have an amazing sense of dress, ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC. So of course, when you see a girl who is slim and pretty with a guy whose only 6 feet tall, handsome , and athletic, but not wearing the latest fashions you probably say "uhh what's she doing with him".
TheLoneSock Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 For a woman to be perfect, a 10, she has to be of a normal, slim weight, have a pretty face, and a tolerable personality. Lol says who? That sounds normal to me. Your standards are skewed. You have let girls in your life make you feel like you are not good enough for them. You have put them on a pidistal in your depseration and are disillusioned to the idea that there aren't a large number of women just like what you described out there. Those kinds of girls are not that rare- maybe it's where you live. My guess though, is it's your attitude.
Author OpenGL Posted October 19, 2009 Author Posted October 19, 2009 I hear women say this a lot but I think your perception is skewed by the fact that society overinflates the value of women while for a man to be considered attractive it is far more difficult. For a woman to be perfect, a 10, she has to be of a normal, slim weight, have a pretty face, and a tolerable personality. It's not everyone, but it's definitely doable. For a man to be a 10 he has to be 6 feet tall, financially "secure" (rich), have a handsome face, an athletic/gym produced body, have a great sense of humor, have an edge to him (women can be boring but not men), have an amazing sense of dress, ETC ETC ETC ETC ETC. So of course, when you see a girl who is slim and pretty with a guy whose only 6 feet tall, handsome , and athletic, but not wearing the latest fashions you probably say "uhh what's she doing with him". You make a good point here that I think men need to understand. The standards of attractiveness for men is very hash, a lot more harsh than women. Another issue is that women are much more picky than women, so you attractiveness level goes down even further. The last issue is that an average to above average looking woman has a long list of guys banging down her door to get into her pants, which over inflates her head into thinking she is more attractive than she actually is. Average to above average guys that are not wealthy/famous usually don't have ANY girls banging down their. Polar opposites.
TheLoneSock Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 (edited) You make a good point here that I think men need to understand. The standards of attractiveness for men is very hash, a lot more harsh than women. Another issue is that women are much more picky than women, so you attractiveness level goes down even further. The last issue is that an average to above average looking woman has a long list of guys banging down her door to get into her pants, which over inflates her head into thinking she is more attractive than she actually is. Average to above average guys that are not wealthy/famous usually don't have ANY girls banging down their. Polar opposites. You guys are letting the fact that men do the persuing misconstrue your feelings about your own attractiveness. In other words you are taking rejection personally. You are looking at the whole game wrong. Men are hunters, they chase. It might seem like women have the control because they get to say yes or no, but that is not the case. You are the one that puts out the initiative, you have control, you control the vibe. You have the POWER to get things for yourself, you are a hunter, you can provide for yourself. Would you rather be on the other end? At the mercy of another person's initiative? Having only to choose from whoever decides to knock on your door? A good analogy would be- if you were to go grocery shopping, would you rather be able to walk the aisles in search of your food, or would you rather have to sit by a conveyer belt and choose from whatever food is sent to you down the line? Your answer to that question is extremely important. This site is a perfect example. There are many examples of girls being upset because "he didn't call me", "the guy I like won't persue me, ugh!", "how do I attract a hot guy?". That is NOT control of the tempo in dating, by any standard. Furthermore there are plenty of attractive women in their 30's and beyond that are still waiting for Mr. Right. Women do not get to do the hunting, they have to wait for what comes to them on most occasions. To any ladies reading this, don't take any of this personally. This is just talk from one guy to others trying to give them perspective and cheer them up. I know there are plenty of women with initiative out there, it's ok. Edited October 19, 2009 by TheLoneSock
Johnny M Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Ok I get it. Make the position extreme and your point is made. I do not agree with this post at all. In fact I have seen more pretty women with below average looking men, in fact some are my closest friends. The ones where you scratch your head and wonder, wow how did that happen?? I have to say I rarely see the the reverse of this. Looks are important but more importantly is chemistry. Just because someone is good looking does not mean you will have chemistry with them at all. This is simple and put it to the test if you want to know the answer. I sure have....I would take average looks and great chemsitry any day of the week....Hands down! "Chemistry" is largely a product of physical attraction, so your argument is self-defeating. As for your personal anecdotes, women are notoriously bad at judging the physical attractiveness of other women, so I kinda doubt that those allegedly pretty women you see with below-average looking men are in fact all that pretty.
cognac Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 Lol says who? That sounds normal to me. Your standards are skewed. You have let girls in your life make you feel like you are not good enough for them. You have put them on a pidistal in your depseration and are disillusioned to the idea that there aren't a large number of women just like what you described out there. Those kinds of girls are not that rare- maybe it's where you live. My guess though, is it's your attitude. I don't put any woman on a pedestal, it's unbecomming of a man to do so. Women in my opinion are always #2 to a man, it's nature's law. However, I rarely see women like i described, and when I do they are so unapproachable and nasty that it's impossible to get with them. Getting a girlfriend who isn't fat, ugly , or incredibly dumb who doesn't already have a boyfriend/hundreds of suitors in line for her is like finding a needle in a haystack. I don't see how someone's attitude can make women who are decent looking and have an interesting personality (instead of the cookie cutter , predictable personality virtually every woman I know has) appear or disappear.
Johnny M Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 For a woman to be perfect, a 10, she has to be of a normal, slim weight, have a pretty face, and a tolerable personality. It's not everyone, but it's definitely doable. It's an American thing. So many American women are overweight, anyone who's got a normal, slim body type (and yes, being slim is normal - just look at any country outside North America) would be considered a 9 or a 10. Outside of North America, things are very different.
AD1980 Posted October 19, 2009 Posted October 19, 2009 You guys are letting the fact that men do the persuing misconstrue your feelings about your own attractiveness. In other words you are taking rejection personally. You are looking at the whole game wrong. Men are hunters, they chase. It might seem like women have the control because they get to say yes or no, but that is not the case. You are the one that puts out the initiative, you have control, you control the vibe. You have the POWER to get things for yourself, you are a hunter, you can provide for yourself. Would you rather be on the other end? At the mercy of another person's initiative? Having only to choose from whoever decides to knock on your door? A good analogy would be- if you were to go grocery shopping, would you rather be able to walk the aisles in search of your food, or would you rather have to sit by a conveyer belt and choose from whatever food is sent to you down the line? Your answer to that question is extremely important. This site is a perfect example. There are many examples of girls being upset because "he didn't call me", "the guy I like won't persue me, ugh!", "how do I attract a hot guy?". That is NOT control of the tempo in dating, by any standard. Furthermore there are plenty of attractive women in their 30's and beyond that are still waiting for Mr. Right. Women do not get to do the hunting, they have to wait for what comes to them on most occasions. To any ladies reading this, don't take any of this personally. This is just talk from one guy to others trying to give them perspective and cheer them up. I know there are plenty of women with initiative out there, it's ok. Fair point theyres positive and neagatives both ways..And i would say the fact women dont intiate but get hit on can be a positive in that they get hit on by enough guys they they have more to choose from in terms of filtering who will and wont be evne a possiblity to be with.. Allot of guys do like the hunt though.. For somebody like me whos not great at initaiton a convo with random women and i dont have the greatest self esteem in terms of my looks it would be so much easier for me if women were more agressive..Even a few women hitting on me would get my confidence up enough to get me in a positive mood and make me feel a little betetr about mself in terms of image to the opposite sex and make it easier for me to approach knowing i at least have some chance to suceed..
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