Sam Spade Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 (edited) I just conducted a small experiment - browsed about ~100 random (girl) profiles on a conventional dating site, and about the same amount of profiles on one of the "sugar daddy" matching sites. The proportion of actually beautiful women on the latter was much, *much* higher than on the conventional dating site. Given that personality traits/character are not correlated with appearance, what this basically means is that 1) some (hot) women explicitly try to cash in on their looks and (conversely) 2) that many plain women don't even try (even if they have the inclination) because they know they won't fare well in this market. Either way, not a pleasant aggregate conclusion (but therefore - justified genedalizations ). (I haven't done the reverse experiment, but I'd bet the proportion of "eligible" guys is also higher on the sugardaddy type of sites.) So, where does that leave us? Looking for love because we aren't hot/rich enough ? Edited October 8, 2009 by Sam Spade
Chicago_Guy Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 I thought that the "sugardaddy" sites were for rich men looking to be matched up with women to whom they have to pay money at certain intervals. It sounds like prostitution to me.
Hkizzle Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 Yeah not a surprise. Most humans beings will use their comparative advantages. Too bad a lot of hot girls are dumb as bricks because they rely on their looks too much, instead of building on their personality. So they get used by men again and again because they can attract loads but can't keep any. On the flip side of the coin, the one group of people I find with the best personalities are often short men. They're at such a physical disadvantage some have grown up with a great sense of humor and confidence because they have to compete in that way to survive.
Hkizzle Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 I thought that the "sugardaddy" sites were for rich men looking to be matched up with women to whom they have to pay money at certain intervals. It sounds like prostitution to me. It is semi prostitution. Then again you could call Donald Trump's wife/ex wives prostitutes, and the same for Hugh Hefner's women. There are plenty of women out there that would never be with the men they're with if there wasn't so much money involved.
aerogurl87 Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 The "sugar daddy" sites aren't for people looking for love. They are for young hot women looking for a cash cow, and the men who are willing to be that cash cow in return for having a hot young woman on their arm. Is it wrong? Well in my opinion no since they are both getting their wants met in such a relationship/arrangement. So if it works for them and harms no one else in the process, then good for them. But that's for another thread.
clv0116 Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 .... the men who are willing to be that cash cow in return for having a hot young woman on their arm. I know it's pretty big sweetie, but that's NOT my arm.
aerogurl87 Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 I know it's pretty big sweetie, but that's NOT my arm. Haha funny... well you know what I mean. They want a hot young girl for sex and to show off to all their buddies.
IrishCarBomb Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 We're at war with women?!? Jeez I better go get my gun.
Hkizzle Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 Nothing new here anyway. Men with money and women with good looks will always attract the most members of the opposite sex. Meanwhile the people stuck in the middle pat each other on the back and talk about inner beauty. Yeah right.
SadandConfusedWA Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 This also implies that men value female beauty above intelligence and all other personality traits. It is sad the men value good looks more than anything so all this is completely depressing.
Hkizzle Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 This also implies that men value female beauty above intelligence and all other personality traits. It is sad the men value good looks more than anything so all this is completely depressing. No it's not as simple as that. Men have different criteria for sex partner/short term partner and long term partner. For a sex partner the better looking the better! For a long term partner the personality matters a lot more, which is why some of the girls I know that have the lowest self esteem are extremely good looking. They keep attracting a lot of men, pick the most outgoing guys who then have sex with them and then leave. However, looks still matter in a long term partner. You just don't need to be the best looking but still above the looks requirement of the man. The ideal strategy a woman uses is this: Hook a man with your looks and then keep him interested with your wits and personality.
Jersey Shortie Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 We're at war with women?!? Jeez I better go get my gun. Irish, that made me sincerely laugh! Women aren't prostitutes for wanting money. And the only reason a man would drop so low to refer to women as prostitutes is because he is trying to shame women because of their own insecurities with their own wallets. Oh boohoo, the really hot girls don't want me, I cam going to call them nasty names for it to make me feel more like a man. Grow up Gentlemen.
Hkizzle Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 Irish, that made me sincerely laugh! Women aren't prostitutes for wanting money. And the only reason a man would drop so low to refer to women as prostitutes is because he is trying to shame women because of their own insecurities with their own wallets. Oh boohoo, the really hot girls don't want me, I cam going to call them nasty names for it to make me feel more like a man. Grow up Gentlemen. What about a prostitute that wants money? Is she a prostitue just because she's a woman?
EcstasyX6 Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 I just conducted a small experiment - browsed about ~100 random (girl) profiles on a conventional dating site, and about the same amount of profiles on one of the "sugar daddy" matching sites. The proportion of actually beautiful women on the latter was much, *much* higher than on the conventional dating site. Given that personality traits/character are not correlated with appearance, what this basically means is that 1) some (hot) women explicitly try to cash in on their looks and (conversely) 2) that many plain women don't even try (even if they have the inclination) because they know they won't fare well in this market. Either way, not a pleasant aggregate conclusion (but therefore - justified genedalizations ). (I haven't done the reverse experiment, but I'd bet the proportion of "eligible" guys is also higher on the sugardaddy type of sites.) So, where does that leave us? Looking for love because we aren't hot/rich enough ? 100? You must have a lot of free time. Beautiful women don't need to resort to conventional dating sites. A friend of mine who is very pretty and nice, meets men randomly while she's out.
Jersey Shortie Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 Oh that's bullhonkey. Alot of pretty women meet men online. Some women are more open in public then others. Not all pretty women get approached ad nauseum. What about a prostitute that wants money? Is she a prostitue just because she's a woman? I don't think I understand your question.
Hkizzle Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 Women aren't prostitutes for wanting money. You said women aren't prostitues for wanting money. As if the fact that a woman wanting money simply because she's a woman excludes her from being a prostitue. However a woman that's into a man ONLY because he has money is using him for his money, which is just a step away from prostitution. A man that's into a woman for money is a gigolo. No one is looking down on women in general. We're just looking for on people who use each other. Fewer men use women for money, they use women for sex instead. That's called a jerk. A jerk that uses women for sex and a golddigger is just as low in my eyes.
Jersey Shortie Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 You said women aren't prostitues for wanting money. As if the fact that a woman wanting money simply because she's a woman excludes her from being a prostitue. It's not about her being a woman and wanting money meaning that automatically excludes her from anything. Let me refine my previous statement: Women aren't prostitutes for wanting money in the context you are discribing them as. A regular woman dating, mating and relating; and desiring certain expectations when it comes to a man's wallet, isn't a prostitute. You might not like it, you might not agree, she might not be fair or respectful of the man. But those factors alone do not make her a prostitute. This is a a bullhonkey shaming means men try to imploy because they might not like a female's behavior. However a woman that's into a man ONLY because he has money is using him for his money, which is just a step away from prostitution. No one wants to get used, man or woman. How come a woman is a prostitute or "one step away from a prostitute", (which is mearly a word-techniquality you are riding on in an attempt to make your point), if she wants money from a man? She isn't, because the original defintion of a prostitute is a professional woman exchanging money for sex from men in a business transaction. The fact that you or other men disagree is not good enough logic or fact alone on calling other women prostutites just because you don't like their behavior. Please tell me how come a man is a stud or "just being a man" when he only wants sex from a woman? How many men defend that mentality? That's okay right? Because the man gets his. How come a woman is a slut for letting such a man have sex with her? How come a woman is a prostitute when it's her trying to get her needs met vs. how men can use women to get their needs met? I am sick and tired of seeing all the names of women being tossed around here and alot of guys acting like they are better people for it. You might not like that woman wants a man's money. But if she is not in the professional business of prostitution, as orginally defined by what that term means, she isn't a prostitute. Whether you like her behavior or not. I am personally okay with you not liking the behavior and speaking out against in in regards to the respect you want as a man. But you need to be willing to give what yo want to take. Disagree with the behavior. Discuss it. Please do. But when you start calling women names just because you don't like the behavior, your argument becomes less intelligent. A man that's into a woman for money is a gigolo. So what? Do you see women throw that term around here to the level you see men through around terms about women around here? Do you see women calling men pigs and jerks to the level you see men calling women sluts, bitches and gold diggers around here. No you don't. I know it and you know it and every man here knows it. No one is looking down on women in general. We're just looking for on people who use each other. Fewer men use women for money, they use women for sex instead. That's called a jerk. You are wrong. If you were just looking for the "whys" of why people do the things they do and wanted to disagree with it, you wouldn't resort to the put down name calling. It's one thing to discuss what you don't like with women. It's another to call them names based on what you don't like. That doesn't open women up to wanting to hear you out. And yes fewer men use women for money. But alot of men use women for sex and when that happens alot of men say "he's just being a man". Men don't call other men names for getting the sex they want whether they treat the woman with respect or not. A jerk that uses women for sex and a golddigger is just as low in my eyes.
Hkizzle Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 A prostitute is just a woman that needs to get her needs met. Hence why I asked you if you felt a prostitute is a prostitute just because she's a woman. I don't hear you complain about the terms Jerks or gigolo.......hmmmm
Jersey Shortie Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 I really don't even understand what you mean by your question. It makes no sense. I stick by what I said. You can play the angle you want to play and make it seem like your just trying to have a regular conversation and that women should accept you and other men calling them names, or you can man up and be real in your discussion. The choice is yours. It's no skin off my back what you decide. I've made my point and it's a clear and valid one. I will tell you what Hkizzle, you answer all the questions I posed in my previous thread and I will tell you what I think about the terms jerks and gigolos and how they relate to men and women. Fair trade?
Hkizzle Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 I really don't even understand what you mean by your question. It makes no sense. I stick by what I said. You can play the angle you want to play and make it seem like your just trying to have a regular conversation and that women should accept you and other men calling them names, or you can man up and be real in your discussion. The choice is yours. It's no skin off my back what you decide. I've made my point and it's a clear and valid one. I will tell you what Hkizzle, you answer all the questions I posed in my previous thread and I will tell you what I think about the terms jerks and gigolos and how they relate to men and women. Fair trade? You don't understand the question because you have a mental block which facilitates your sexism. You say you don't like men looking down on women but in reality you have a deep seeded hatred and are sexist against men. The reason is because whenever a topic is being discussed which isn't even aimed at discriminating against women, and where even other women don't even have a problem, you immediately pick out only the angles you view are sexist against women. A woman that wants a successful rich man is fine. But a woman that is using a man ONLY for his money is a step away from prostitution. That's why I used caps in the previous post. A protitute is just a woman that's using a man for his money as well after all. It's all a fair exchange, and not very different from the sugar daddy exchange. Which question you want me to answer? You asked several.
Jersey Shortie Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 You don't understand the question because you have a mental block which facilitates your sexism. You say you don't like men looking down on women but in reality you have a deep seeded hatred and are sexist against men. I will play along with you Hkizzle. Please show me where in any of my posts in this discussion, heck in any discussion on this board, shows that I have a "deep seeded hatred" of men? This is so laughable because I am not even the one calling men names or advocating that they be called names. You however are defending and encouraging the name calling of women. Who has more evidence agaisnt their deep seeded hatred for the opposite sex? It certainly isn't me. If you can prove it with hard facts, please do. But you can't. Because it's untrue and you rather attack me then dicuss the topic. Again, you disagree with me, that is fine, you don't like certain thigns women do, that's fine. Lets discuss that. Lets not make up false lies about people in attempt to discredit them or call women names to belittle them. I asked you very resonable questions. I am willing to dicuss this topic with you. The reason is because whenever a topic is being discussed which isn't even aimed at discriminating against women, and where even other women don't even have a problem, you immediately pick out only the angles you view are sexist against women. Whenever topics get discussed around here aimed at pointing out negative thigns women do, it turns into a smear-fest and name calling. Did you not read the part where I said and encouraged you to dicuss the things women do that you don't like? Do that please. But stop the name calling. That doesn't make women want to hear you out. You might get alot of male attention and agreement but other men aren't going to be able to help you in drawing to attention the things women do that men don't agree with. A woman that wants a successful rich man is fine. But a woman that is using a man ONLY for his money is a step away from prostitution. That's why I used caps in the previous post. Incorrect again. A protitute is just a woman that's using a man for his money as well after all. It's all a fair exchange, and not very different from the sugar daddy exchange. A prostitute is a woman that is an agreement with a person to exchange her body or sexual favors for profit. just because a woman wants a man for his money, even if it's only for his money, might make her wrong, but it doesn't make her a prositute. You do know the orginal meaning of the word right? Your problem is you are trying to label women something they aren't in attempt to belittle them. Which question you want me to answer? You asked several. All of them please.
CaliGuy Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 Why do we focus so much on what everyone else wants and the people that do not want us instead of keying in on the people who do want us and the people who are interested in meeting us?
Hkizzle Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 No it doesn't make her a prostitute, I said semi-prostitution. Which is not an official term, but most people get the meaning of it. You've made nasty comments about men in many threads. I can't be bothered to go through a hundred posts and point them out to you. I suggest you go look through them yourself, but Thaddeus sure notices them about you. I see people as smart vs dumb people. I don't see men vs women. You however ALWAYS see things as men vs women.
Hkizzle Posted October 8, 2009 Posted October 8, 2009 Why do we focus so much on what everyone else wants and the people that do not want us instead of keying in on the people who do want us and the people who are interested in meeting us? Well because humans are naturally vain, and many humans desire to get more attention. Unfortunately that's why so many people seek validation and chase the ones who have no interest. A part of human nature that needs to be unlearned.
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