Trialbyfire Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 You too, carhill? Are women nothing but an opportunity to get laid? If that's the case, make your position known right out the gate. That's why I think the OP is giving out the wrong vibes, if he's ALWAYS being friendzoned. How about the next time he talks to a girl he wants to date, particularly one that's not a complete stranger, ask her out on the spot AND get her phone number, so you can confirm details later?
carhill Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 Not an opportunity but rather a potential. Just like, for women, men. Some are seen as platonic friends and others as romantic potentials. The variable in the dynamic, as you often point out for yourself, is that you never pursue a man; he must always pursue you. That pursuit intrinsically shows his interest. OP, do you feel that asking a woman for her phone number so you may contact her later is 'pursuit'? I know I certainly do. When I want female friends, I hand out my travel card, which is a humorous business card my stbx came up with and invite them to call or e-mail me if they want to chat about whatever we were talking about. Lastly, while asking someone out on a date immediately would certainly be preferable, some sense of decorum must prevail. I certainly would not wish to put a woman in an awkward social situation, say at a job site or other public place where she might feel uncomfortable with that question. I would seek to contact her privately where she could respond honestly and comfortably.
Els Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 Maybe they just really don't like you in that way. You can't control whom you're attracted to, neither can they. Would you prefer that they refuse to give you their number, on the spot, instead of agreeing so you can be friends? Also, another thing to think about - you mentioned only beautiful young women. You might want to ask yourself if you're contributing to their behaviour by very obviously treating them better than their less attractive friends. People don't get full of themselves without sufficient encouragement, for the most part.
Author mr.dream merchant Posted October 2, 2009 Author Posted October 2, 2009 Not an opportunity but rather a potential. Just like, for women, men. Some are seen as platonic friends and others as romantic potentials. The variable in the dynamic, as you often point out for yourself, is that you never pursue a man; he must always pursue you. That pursuit intrinsically shows his interest. OP, do you feel that asking a woman for her phone number so you may contact her later is 'pursuit'? I know I certainly do. When I want female friends, I hand out my travel card, which is a humorous business card my stbx came up with and invite them to call or e-mail me if they want to chat about whatever we were talking about. Lastly, while asking someone out on a date immediately would certainly be preferable, some sense of decorum must prevail. I certainly would not wish to put a woman in an awkward social situation, say at a job site or other public place where she might feel uncomfortable with that question. I would seek to contact her privately where she could respond honestly and comfortably. Yes I do consider it a pursuit to a certain degree. By asking if they're single or taken, I make it clear that I am interested in a level that is more than friendship. If I wanted to be friends I'd prolly make plans to go hang out at the library or something and I wouldn't ask for their number.
boogieboy Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 You too, carhill? Are women nothing but an opportunity to get laid? If that's the case, make your position known right out the gate. That's why I think the OP is giving out the wrong vibes, if he's ALWAYS being friendzoned. How about the next time he talks to a girl he wants to date, particularly one that's not a complete stranger, ask her out on the spot AND get her phone number, so you can confirm details later? TBF you already know that guys dont go approaching women just to gain friendships. Guys want girlfriends, or they want to get laid. If Im approaching a woman its not to make a friend. Girls as friends are usually pretty selfish. Merchant, you move waay too fast with these women when you approach them. Sometimes these girls you approach are thinking of leaving their bf, but then you probably put yourself on a chaser level with them, and when they know they have the upper hand, you lose. You shouldnt ask them for their number and if they are single off the bat. You should talk to make yourself seem really interesting to them so that they ask for YOUR number. It takes a lil time, but you weed them out much better that way. You can talk about anything that will engage them. The idea is to make yourself be sooo interesting that they HAVE to want more from you. You should be approaching them like you just want to see what theyre like, and they have to prove themselves to you. If you ask them if they are single, you give yourself away. You should know women know how to read you right away, they have guys coming up to them many times a day. I imagine youre only going up to the MOST attractive girls, so they get plenty of attention from guys who give themselves away. Theres games involved a lil, but women are all about subtleties, if they arent already single. Once you get them to the point where they start asking you personal questions, then you can qualify them to see if their personality fits your standards. Not only that, but when you separate from her and text her the next day, you have to start attracting her to you all over again. Ifyou move too fast when youre not feeling her do the same, thats how you get friendzoned. Thats when they mention the bf. When you do things in the wrong order it messes up your chances.
Author mr.dream merchant Posted October 2, 2009 Author Posted October 2, 2009 Maybe they just really don't like you in that way. You can't control whom you're attracted to, neither can they. Would you prefer that they refuse to give you their number, on the spot, instead of agreeing so you can be friends? Also, another thing to think about - you mentioned only beautiful young women. You might want to ask yourself if you're contributing to their behaviour by very obviously treating them better than their less attractive friends. People don't get full of themselves without sufficient encouragement, for the most part. Agreed, and that's very understandable. What isn't understandable, for me, is them handing out their number to me when my intentions are clear. That's why I put "Attention Whore" in the title. Because that's exactly what it is. And I'm not going to settle for someone who's of lesser attraction to me. I have standards to, and I want a lovely GF. Its just my preference. Honestly, if they had no intentions of kicking it with me, and had a BF or were already talking to another guy on a romantic level, I would expect them to have the decency to say that, not give me their number and waste my time only to find out they want to be friends. Its lame though. They don't genuinely want to be friends, which is the sad part. They just want an outlet for flattering attention. Like CarHill said earlier, I'm not asking for their number to be friends, and its very clear. The conversation, the questions, the smiling - its a little bit more than friendly, definitely flirty. They engage with the flirting, and give me their number. Again, like CarHill said - I'm going to look at it another way. They're helping me weed out the girls I DON'T want to be with. The shallow and must-have-external-validation chicks. I'm just convinced that alot of young beautiful girls are probably like that. That whole bit with the one girl who I was real close to dating and her facebook, lol it just made me laugh. She was real down to earth, and sweet. But she was on the same ****. She just hid it very well. Which is why I got close to dating her. She told me she had alot of male friends. In my experience, girls like that are bad news. But I didn't want to be judgemental and everybody is different so I said cool and just vibed with her. Then I stumble upon her Facebook and there's a 50 comment long box full of flirty messages from 3 guys and only her. Talking about running a train on her....? Lmao. Its crazy. Nobody really answered one of my initial questions. If I were her man, and I saw that, would I be in the wrong for getting upset? Is it really acting insecure/jealous/psycho if you don't enjoy your GF openly flirting with other guys? Why, as the males, are we supposed to be okay with that? What is okay about a girl who's in a relationship, carrying out activities that scream 'available' to other men? And why, as males, are we looked down upon when we detest that ****?
Author mr.dream merchant Posted October 2, 2009 Author Posted October 2, 2009 TBF you already know that guys dont go approaching women just to gain friendships. Guys want girlfriends, or they want to get laid. If Im approaching a woman its not to make a friend. Girls as friends are usually pretty selfish. Merchant, you move waay too fast with these women when you approach them. Sometimes these girls you approach are thinking of leaving their bf, but then you probably put yourself on a chaser level with them, and when they know they have the upper hand, you lose. You shouldnt ask them for their number and if they are single off the bat. You should talk to make yourself seem really interesting to them so that they ask for YOUR number. It takes a lil time, but you weed them out much better that way. You can talk about anything that will engage them. The idea is to make yourself be sooo interesting that they HAVE to want more from you. You should be approaching them like you just want to see what theyre like, and they have to prove themselves to you. If you ask them if they are single, you give yourself away. You should know women know how to read you right away, they have guys coming up to them many times a day. I imagine youre only going up to the MOST attractive girls, so they get plenty of attention from guys who give themselves away. Theres games involved a lil, but women are all about subtleties, if they arent already single. Once you get them to the point where they start asking you personal questions, then you can qualify them to see if their personality fits your standards. Not only that, but when you separate from her and text her the next day, you have to start attracting her to you all over again. Ifyou move too fast when youre not feeling her do the same, thats how you get friendzoned. Thats when they mention the bf. When you do things in the wrong order it messes up your chances. Hmm, that's good stuff. I'll keep that in mind. Pretty lame though how it has to be a mind game.
stace79 Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 I sort of feel like a large part of this is men's fault. Men treat women so poorly -- nailing them and then leaving. Pretty much showing females that all you are is a piece of meat, really. So then women (or young ladies, whatever) start trying to be more nonchalant and callous about sex. Well now they're all having sex at the age of 10 and screwing multiple guys, and so many women are single moms because of it, which makes us more jaded. Personally I don't understand why women behave that way. You just have to be patient I guess. I would agree with I think it was carhill who said be thankful you didn't get roped in with one of the girls you're speaking of. Also it seems there's frequently a trade off in dating a "really hot" girl...you lose out on intelligence a lot of the time, and they tend to get a holier-than-thou attitude like you should have them on some pedestal without anything in return.
carhill Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 Even though TBF and I may disagree from time to time, I suggest the men pay attention to her perspective, not necessarily the talking points, but the tone. She knows what *she* wants, *her* perspective, and she doesn't waver from it, for anyone. MDM, that's really good information for you. Think of all the men she has pushed away or turned down. So must you be with the ladies who do not fit your perspective. The difference is, of course, pursuit, but that's OK. The really cool thing is you are free to pursue whomever you want. No limit. No boundaries. I think that's neat What I'm trying to do is show an alternative way for *you* to look at the same information. As I now boringly say all the time, this was the crux of my work in MC, to take the same reality and look at it from a healthier (for me) perspective. I can't change the reality, only myself. You can too
Jersey Shortie Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 Its just real upsetting as a young male, to see females my age abusing and exploiting their looks for attention, regardless of their relationship status Yeah, I can understand how that would be. Especially if you thought you had a few prospects in the works and it didn't pan out or found out that the girl you were interested in really had a boyfriend. However, your tototally exploiting and abusing the way a woman looks for your own personal gains. You just don't like it when women do it because it's a power thing. You aren't picking these girls because their ugly or average and you want to know about them on a deep level. You are thinking about their bodies and face first. So why should they not work the situation to best suit their own personal purposes and needs? You are. You're just loosing at the game and then trying to blame the women for it. I don't think it's fair that some guys will want beautiful women, oggle them and give them attention and then get upset when women like looking beautiful and getting attention for it or when these same beautiful women aren't really interested in them. Boohoo, the real hot girls don't want him. Water-work times: "all women are evil, i love staring at beautiful women but i don't want then to enjoy being stared at. I will oggle women all I want but how dare women with girlfriends enjoy other male attention. " At this time and age, even as a young and attractive guy, the dating game is F&*KED up and horribly unfair for guys. We get friendzoned, and even if we do land a hot GF, we gotta sit around and get **** on by her bathing in male attention and totally encouraging it, or throwing out subliminals that scream "Available" to other men. I mean, damn, there's a point where its just disrespectful to your BF/GF. Fareal, don't give me your phone number when you know what's up. The **** I need more friends for? It's not f*cked up for young guys. It's f*cked up for young people. Guys and girls. We all struggle. Girls that age get their heart broken, they get disrespested and used, even if they are hot. All you are seeing is the face value so that's all you are getting in return. Why shouldn't a woman bath in male attention whether they have a boyfriend or not, when men bath in giving other women attention when they have a girlfriend or not?
stillafool Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 All these beautiful girls I approach give me their number and end up friendzoning me. Its like, wow? Why would I approach you and ask you for your number to be your friend? Some of them flirt with me, set up dates for TWO, and the works and then tell me later on they have a boyfriend. Mind you I'm 20, and these girls are in my age range. I dunno...I'm real close to just giving up on relationships at my age. I know it sounds ****ed up but pretty girls my age seem real shallow, grimey, and just...heartless. They immerse themselves in male attention and just eat it up. This one girl I know, she has mad homeboys, we were this || close to dating. And I was on her facebook to find her and 3 other guys joking about them running a train on her (far after I wrote her off for other reasons). I mean...what the ****? If I were her man and I saw that would I be in the wrong for getting upset about that? Its just real upsetting as a young male, to see females my age abusing and exploiting their looks for attention, regardless of their relationship status. Its like, how, as a confident male, am I supposed to be okay with that behavior if it were my GF being surrounded by lots of male attention, and her playing into their dirty jokes, or giving out her phone number to attractive guys, and then claiming their a friend and there's nothing to worry about? I don't understand it. You've got females running around preaching about a guy who will trust them, and then they do out of line **** that they KNOW will upset their man. But somehow he's supposed to deal or he's then a jealous/insecure/psycho/whatever else excuse you need to duck the fact that you're obviously seeking attention from other people besides your significant other. I wouldn't even be so pissed about this if it wasn't EVERY SINGLE female who's number I get. Like this for example - The most recent number I got. Real pretty girl from Dominican Republic. Just banging, lovely as hell. I get her number, we flirt back and forth for a couple days. She then tells me she has a boyfriend. I tell her I don't want to come in between them and their relationship. She then trys to play it off like "oh you wanted my number because you were interested in me?" .....................What? Are you serious? Then she hits me with "Can't we still be friends" HUH? At this time and age, even as a young and attractive guy, the dating game is F&*KED up and horribly unfair for guys. We get friendzoned, and even if we do land a hot GF, we gotta sit around and get **** on by her bathing in male attention and totally encouraging it, or throwing out subliminals that scream "Available" to other men. I mean, damn, there's a point where its just disrespectful to your BF/GF. Fareal, don't give me your phone number when you know what's up. The **** I need more friends for? Maybe relationships are stupid at this age. Because I'm not seeing a whole lot of morals or maturity from either side of the gender table in my age group. Maybe I just need to pick up bar/club chicks every weekend and be content with that. And to top it off, I got a terrible thing of a human, this overweight, smelly, rude, facial hair ridden, chick, who is thoroughly cockblocking me from this lovely spanish girl in my lab. Wow. I am 100% turned off from females at this point. No I'm not gay, but chicks are ridiculous. You know its not even girls my age. I was talking to this 29 year old a couple weeks ago. She got real upset when I asked if she had children. I didn't even ask in a rude way. She flipped out and dipped. Its like "Wow?" I'm pretty sure she did have children. **** all that. Show me your thoughts. Guys especially. Lemme know what you think. -Edit The issue here isn't multidating or being single and enjoying attention. Its having a SO in your life and doing the above. And its also being single, thoroughly enjoying attention and misleading said attention provider only to friendzone them when their attention isn't needed for some reason. Dodging the feminist bullet on this one. I think you need to lower your standards and go out with average looking girls instead of trying to date only beautiful girls. Beautiful girls in their early 20's naturally are dating around as they should be. If you don't date around when you are young then when do you? They have multiple choices and are utilizing their ability to attract many men in order to make a decision as to what type of guy they want on a long term basis. This is no different than what really handsome 20 something year old males do. Basically I think their behavior is normal.
stillafool Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 The other question I would have is what exactly makes them an "attention whore"? Just because a girl is beautiful, friendly, social, curious, dates different men but does not want to settle down with a boyfriend yet? Is that what makes her an "attention whore"?
carhill Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 The OP will answer for himself but my definition of a female attention whore is a woman who uses male sexual and romantic attention to validate herself and her ego without returning anything significant (interest, friendship, time, etc) of value or consideration. I call it the 'black hole effect'. She sucks life and love out of people and gives nothing in return, believing that her presence is an adequate gift to the lowly males she sucks the essence from. Emotional vampirism
Trialbyfire Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 Even though TBF and I may disagree from time to time, I suggest the men pay attention to her perspective, not necessarily the talking points, but the tone. She knows what *she* wants, *her* perspective, and she doesn't waver from it, for anyone. MDM, that's really good information for you. Think of all the men she has pushed away or turned down. So must you be with the ladies who do not fit your perspective. The difference is, of course, pursuit, but that's OK. The really cool thing is you are free to pursue whomever you want. No limit. No boundaries. I think that's neat Why does this make me hear the Jaws theme? It's true that if you hold to your path, you're going to get what you want out of life. If you keep shilly-shallying around, allowing every wind to blow you off course, you're going to get nowhere, in a major hurry.
BlueHarvest Posted October 2, 2009 Posted October 2, 2009 Emotional vampirism Ooh I like that term. I'm BlueHarvest and I approve of this thread... Been awhile since we had a good clean discussion with some intrisic value to a vast majority of the populace here on LS. @OP. I feel you, I really do. I'm 25, and I've pretty much told myself I'm certainly not giving any attention to women under 21, and women under 23 have to really show intelligence to get considered.
Author mr.dream merchant Posted October 4, 2009 Author Posted October 4, 2009 The other question I would have is what exactly makes them an "attention whore"? Just because a girl is beautiful, friendly, social, curious, dates different men but does not want to settle down with a boyfriend yet? Is that what makes her an "attention whore"? Not at all. I'm all for dating around. I'm doing it. I'm friendly, social, curious, and attractive myself. What I would qualify as an attention whore is a girl who has a need for external validation from several guys. This process she carries out in certain ways such as giving out her number to guys who are clearly interested, just for the attention. Or trying to utilize said guys attention for her own ego boost. Kind of a one way street thing, a selfish act of the girl in this scenario. The friendship between the two simply becomes a bond where the male is always making slight passes at her and she allows it for the sole purpose of the attention and ego boost. And in return the male friend gets nothing. That is an attention whore by my definition.
Jersey Shortie Posted October 4, 2009 Posted October 4, 2009 What I would qualify as an attention whore is a girl who has a need for external validation from several guys. This process she carries out in certain ways such as giving out her number to guys who are clearly interested, just for the attention. Or trying to utilize said guys attention for her own ego boost. Kind of a one way street thing, a selfish act of the girl in this scenario. But men don't limit their own attention to one girl. So why should a woman limit her attention to one man? A woman who seeks attention from multiple men might need external validatoin. And a man who seeks to give attention to multip women is also seeking external validation. Can you honestly claim that your desire to chase around multiple pretty women isn't born out of your own desire for external validation.."Look at me. LOok at the hot girl on my arm. She is banging. I am the man.". You're opinion is rather hypocritical.
Author mr.dream merchant Posted October 4, 2009 Author Posted October 4, 2009 But men don't limit their own attention to one girl. So why should a woman limit her attention to one man? A woman who seeks attention from multiple men might need external validatoin. And a man who seeks to give attention to multip women is also seeking external validation. Can you honestly claim that your desire to chase around multiple pretty women isn't born out of your own desire for external validation.."Look at me. LOok at the hot girl on my arm. She is banging. I am the man.". You're opinion is rather hypocritical. I follow what you're trying to say, but you're really making it out to be more than it really is. Honestly I'm just looking for a GF. The points you're trying to argue sound extremely personal.
Author mr.dream merchant Posted October 4, 2009 Author Posted October 4, 2009 Ooh I like that term. I'm BlueHarvest and I approve of this thread... Been awhile since we had a good clean discussion with some intrisic value to a vast majority of the populace here on LS. @OP. I feel you, I really do. I'm 25, and I've pretty much told myself I'm certainly not giving any attention to women under 21, and women under 23 have to really show intelligence to get considered. I hear you. It sounds rather cold but I've learned not to take younger girls too serious. Just have fun and wild out with them. If I'm looking for something serious I'm going to shoot for 21 and up. And like you, they have to show intelligence and have substance. I want a GF I can learn from through conversation. That quality is so hot.
Jersey Shortie Posted October 4, 2009 Posted October 4, 2009 I follow what you're trying to say, but you're really making it out to be more than it really is. Honestly I'm just looking for a GF. The points you're trying to argue sound extremely personal Not at all. I just take issue with you complaining about the hot girls that don't really want you seeking validation when you clearly get a form of validation from these hot girls that is beyond just attraction. How old are you by the way? Because if you are trying to date girls 21 and younger, well seriously you should let them have their fun and let them learn about life. That's all they are doing. Trying to figure out who they are and how they fit into the mating and relating world.
cognac Posted October 4, 2009 Posted October 4, 2009 The complaint isn't beautiful women dating around, it's beautiful women taking certain men on hopeless rides (as they never had a romantic chance to begin with) and wasting our time we could use to pursue women who may like us romantically. It's very hard for men to meet women in contrast to women meeting men (any so-so, even UGLY girl gets numerous guys hitting on her all day and night). So it's very frustrating to get your phone number when you have no interest in dating me, it's better to just say no and stop wasting my time. Attention whoring isn't dating guys you like, attention whoring is flirting with random guys you are not even attracted to (leading them on), just to feel good about yourself at our expense, or worse, to gain some kind of material resource by planting a seed of hope in hopeless nice guys who are too bald, too short, too poor, too this or that for you.
You'reasian Posted October 4, 2009 Posted October 4, 2009 (edited) All these beautiful girls I approach give me their number and end up friendzoning me. Its like, wow? Why would I approach you and ask you for your number to be your friend? Some of them flirt with me, set up dates for TWO, and the works and then tell me later on they have a boyfriend. Mind you I'm 20, and these girls are in my age range.. The reason why they tell you they have a boyfriend is because you didn't make a move. As a young buck, you should be making moves early unless you want to get friend zoned. I dunno...I'm real close to just giving up on relationships at my age. I know it sounds ****ed up but pretty girls my age seem real shallow, grimey, and just...heartless. They immerse themselves in male attention and just eat it up. This one girl I know, she has mad homeboys, we were this || close to dating. And I was on her facebook to find her and 3 other guys joking about them running a train on her (far after I wrote her off for other reasons). I mean...what the ****? If I were her man and I saw that would I be in the wrong for getting upset about that? .. They are. At your age, never take dating seriously. Not saying if someone really mature, cool and fun comes along that you should put them off - but focus on you. Focus on your fun, young fella. Its just real upsetting as a young male, to see females my age abusing and exploiting their looks for attention, regardless of their relationship status. Its like, how, as a confident male, am I supposed to be okay with that behavior if it were my GF being surrounded by lots of male attention, and her playing into their dirty jokes, or giving out her phone number to attractive guys, and then claiming their a friend and there's nothing to worry about? I don't understand it. You've got females running around preaching about a guy who will trust them, and then they do out of line **** that they KNOW will upset their man. But somehow he's supposed to deal or he's then a jealous/insecure/psycho/whatever else excuse you need to duck the fact that you're obviously seeking attention from other people besides your significant other. I wouldn't even be so pissed about this if it wasn't EVERY SINGLE female who's number I get. Like this for example - The most recent number I got. Real pretty girl from Dominican Republic. Just banging, lovely as hell. I get her number, we flirt back and forth for a couple days. She then tells me she has a boyfriend. I tell her I don't want to come in between them and their relationship. She then trys to play it off like "oh you wanted my number because you were interested in me?" .....................What? Are you serious? Then she hits me with "Can't we still be friends" HUH? .. Its the "jealousy" trap. You know how it works - a guy's gotta a somewhat serious girl friend. Girl friend likes to dress up a little racy from time to time. Cool. Girl likes to go out with her girl friends from time to time. Cool. Girl ends up grinding with her best male friends at the club and makin' out - maybe not so cool? Guy brings up the issue. Girl counter-accuses guy of jealousy. Guy thinks its ok for him to do the same, hooks up with a hottie. Definitely not cool with the girl - and downward spiral. I wouldn't take dating too seriously at your age. Its going to make you a manwhore, but better one of those than the lonely nice guy. Can I get an amen? lol At this time and age, even as a young and attractive guy, the dating game is F&*KED up and horribly unfair for guys. We get friendzoned, and even if we do land a hot GF, we gotta sit around and get **** on by her bathing in male attention and totally encouraging it, or throwing out subliminals that scream "Available" to other men. I mean, damn, there's a point where its just disrespectful to your BF/GF. Fareal, don't give me your phone number when you know what's up. The **** I need more friends for? Maybe relationships are stupid at this age. Because I'm not seeing a whole lot of morals or maturity from either side of the gender table in my age group. Maybe I just need to pick up bar/club chicks every weekend and be content with that. And to top it off, I got a terrible thing of a human, this overweight, smelly, rude, facial hair ridden, chick, who is thoroughly cockblocking me from this lovely spanish girl in my lab. Wow. I am 100% turned off from females at this point. No I'm not gay, but chicks are ridiculous. You know its not even girls my age. I was talking to this 29 year old a couple weeks ago. She got real upset when I asked if she had children. I didn't even ask in a rude way. She flipped out and dipped. Its like "Wow?" I'm pretty sure she did have children. **** all that. Show me your thoughts. Guys especially. Lemme know what you think. -Edit The issue here isn't multidating or being single and enjoying attention. Its having a SO in your life and doing the above. And its also being single, thoroughly enjoying attention and misleading said attention provider only to friendzone them when their attention isn't needed for some reason. Dodging the feminist bullet on this one. You're spot on. Relationships in your early 20's should never exist. Go out, meet tons of women, have fun, be safe - sew your wild oats. You'll meet someone eventually when the time is right. Edited October 4, 2009 by You'reasian
BobSacamento Posted October 4, 2009 Posted October 4, 2009 Girls have a little fun with a guy and feelings get hurt. Please check your manhood at the door sir.
You'reasian Posted October 4, 2009 Posted October 4, 2009 Girls have a little fun with a guy and feelings get hurt. Please check your manhood at the door sir. I agree. Nothing wrong with having a little fun.
Jersey Shortie Posted October 4, 2009 Posted October 4, 2009 he complaint isn't beautiful women dating around, it's beautiful women taking certain men on hopeless rides (as they never had a romantic chance to begin with) and wasting our time we could use to pursue women who may like us romantically. It's very hard for men to meet women in contrast to women meeting men (any so-so, even UGLY girl gets numerous guys hitting on her all day and night). So it's very frustrating to get your phone number when you have no interest in dating me, it's better to just say no and stop wasting my time. I certainly agree that the best thing to do is be honest and say "sorry not interested". However, I suspect the type of girl some men go for repeatidly is their downfall. And I resent your idea that dating is so much easier for women when ase a woman, I have discovered it's not. This lack of empathy is unappealing to women that struggle with the same dating issues and won't be intersted in learning where you are on the topic if that's the real case. Even somewhat attractive girls don't get hit on all night long and day. Attention whoring isn't dating guys you like, attention whoring is flirting with random guys you are not even attracted to (leading them on), just to feel good about yourself at our expense, or worse, to gain some kind of material resource by planting a seed of hope in hopeless nice guys who are too bald, too short, too poor, too this or that for you. Men like to look and women like to be looked at. Men usually defend the face value flirting and the oggling. I don't see the problem in a woman wanting validation from other men since men usually are happy to feed the beast themselves. Infact Mr. Merchant and I have gotten into it before and he defends going to strip clubs while in a relationship. He is okay with giving other women external validation. He just isn't okay with women wanting that exteneral validation.
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