Storyrider Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 How about a woman who can compose verse in iambic pentameter *and* advise you to write a protective put when you're bullish on the market?
Trialbyfire Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 If she can give investment advice in iambic pentameter, including advice on butterfly spreads, I suspect some lucky man will snap her up in a hurry, with no discontent, winter or otherwise....
Author always_searching Posted October 1, 2009 Author Posted October 1, 2009 I think that some genuinely unattractive (physically / personally) women use the "he won't date me because i'm intellectually intimidating" line as a bitter defense mechanism to explain their sorry personal lives. Aww, now, that's not very kind. I'm sure some women do use that kind of rationalization, but more often than not, I find that most men really just aren't interested in dating intellectual women--I've even had guys tell me that it's intimidating. Another guy who I'm now friends with actually told me that he thought I was attractive when he first met me, and had planned on asking me out; but then I "opened my mouth." I asked what exactly he meant by the comment, and he told me that I talk to much about things which are above him and it is a "major turn off." He suggested that I keep my mouth shut when I first interact with a guy, otherwise, "The guy will most certainly not be interested." All his words. Suffice it to say that he only dates girls who appear to be as intellectual as a realdoll; so, I suppose that should tell me something about him.... So, now the question as to what comes first: bitterness which leads to having "sorry personal lives," or having "sorry personal lives" leads to bitterness. The two go hand-in-hand really...
leap83 Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 LMAO.... Oh man... you made me laugh till I dropped.... The top three pick up lines from men, to women: Baby I'm gonna' flood your brain with neurotoxins.Wow, your corpus callosum can sit on my lateral ventricles, any day!I'm sitting here in mortal agony, wondering how your cerebral cortex functions. Put me out of my misery and let me experience this with you, my love.
Storyrider Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 No longer write a simple covered call Than you shall hear the clanging closing bell For if your bullish index fund should fall A straddle or a spread would serve you well.
looking4 green grass Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 Well, I'm a girl, but I'm going to answer your question from the "I'm a probably more intelligent than most girls perspective." In my dating past I have an oncologist, neonatologist, a psychiatrist, and my exH is close to having his PhD. Those particular fellows all had this huge hang up about making sure I knew they were "smarter" than me. One guy went so far as to specifically point out to me that he would never date a girl he thought was smarter than he was or AS smart as he was. I don't know if it was their particular profession that made them that way, or what. I definitely see where you are coming from on this post. I do think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I am highly educated and very smart. I think I scare some guys away. I always made the top grades, won all the super geek awards, and now am in a super selective Phd program at an elite school. If guys have issues about being smart, then yeah, I'm probably going to bring out that insecurity. My current BF has no issue with my smartness whatsoever. He's not super school smart (no college), but he's street smarts and never ceases to fascinate me. He can talk about any and every topic I care to bring up. And he never EVER tries to demean my nerdiness.
Author always_searching Posted October 1, 2009 Author Posted October 1, 2009 Well, I'm a girl, but I'm going to answer your question from the "I'm a probably more intelligent than most girls perspective." In my dating past I have an oncologist, neonatologist, a psychiatrist, and my exH is close to having his PhD. Those particular fellows all had this huge hang up about making sure I knew they were "smarter" than me. One guy went so far as to specifically point out to me that he would never date a girl he thought was smarter than he was or AS smart as he was. I don't know if it was their particular profession that made them that way, or what. I definitely see where you are coming from on this post. I do think a lot of it has to do with the fact that I am highly educated and very smart. I think I scare some guys away. I always made the top grades, won all the super geek awards, and now am in a super selective Phd program at an elite school. If guys have issues about being smart, then yeah, I'm probably going to bring out that insecurity. My current BF has no issue with my smartness whatsoever. He's not super school smart (no college), but he's street smarts and never ceases to fascinate me. He can talk about any and every topic I care to bring up. And he never EVER tries to demean my nerdiness. Awww, that's just awesome! Congratulations! :bunny: If only I could find such a man! I mean, I really love dating older men, but there are times I wish I had someone closer to my age that could appreciate my interest in lofty topics! I mean, I don't mind dumbing-down conversation if it's of a general topic viz. movies, famous people, some aspects of politics, etc. However, I don't want to feel like an undesirable freak for wanting to talk about philosophy, theology, history, literature, etc.
Author always_searching Posted October 1, 2009 Author Posted October 1, 2009 No longer write a simple covered call Than you shall hear the clanging closing bell For if your bullish index fund should fall A straddle or a spread would serve you well. Brava!
looking4 green grass Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 Always searching---- My bf is actually 6 years younger than me! lol Probably not a possibility at you age. Also, I don't bring home my lofty topics to him. My professional topics are a bit over everyone's head for every day conversation. After I spend 8 hours a day buried in some theory articles that read like mud and synthesize their meanings and relate it all to my topic if interest, I want to talk about anything BUT heady stuff. Who wants to eat a hamburger and discuss dimensions of human living as a metaparadigm? Not I! While no one will ever question my smarts, I have learned (sadly) that I do have to leave my academic thoughts behind when interacting with everyone else socially. After all, it's a social setting. I have all my colleagues to banter with all day about over the top nerd stuff. It's all about compartmentalizing. (Although I do have a friend doing his PhD in Biochem, and sometimes we sit around drinking wine talking about enzymes.....but not usually.)
ace2666 Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 (1) what are your thoughts on intellectual women, (2) is there a limit to how intellectual a woman can be and still be considered romantically attractive, and, finally, (3) what is your current age and social position? (1) Love them, it's what I prefer. Nerdy girls are hot. My intelligence is high, I want them to have a high intelligence. Even if it surpasses mine. (2) No. The smarter the better. (3) 22, Mech Engineer student. Of course I'm not the norm, especially in my age group.
looking4 green grass Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 (1) Love them, it's what I prefer. Nerdy girls are hot. My intelligence is high, I want them to have a high intelligence. Even if it surpasses mine. (2) No. The smarter the better. (3) 22, Mech Engineer student. Of course I'm not the norm, especially in my age group. You're a geek like me! Weeeeeeeeeeee! Nerdy girls ARE hot!
SoulSearch_CO Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 The top three pick up lines from men, to women: Baby I'm gonna' flood your brain with neurotoxins.Wow, your corpus callosum can sit on my lateral ventricles, any day!I'm sitting here in mortal agony, wondering how your cerebral cortex functions. Put me out of my misery and let me experience this with you, my love. OMFG That's awesome.
GoodOnPaper Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 I mean, I really love dating older men, but there are times I wish I had someone closer to my age that could appreciate my interest in lofty topics! I mean, I don't mind dumbing-down conversation if it's of a general topic viz. movies, famous people, some aspects of politics, etc. However, I don't want to feel like an undesirable freak for wanting to talk about philosophy, theology, history, literature, etc. There are thousands of these guys your age out there -- many in graduate and professional schools -- but you are probably removing them from consideration for not being attractive enough, being too nerdy/geeky, or not being masculine enough. Nerdy "nice guys" are told all the time that academic intelligence alone doesn't work when it comes to attracting women. The same holds true for women trying to attract men. You'd think intellectual men would easily connect with intellectual women but instead, I think both spend much of their time and energy when young trying to impress the socially popular among the opposite sex -- maybe to prove that we're not freaks of nature, I don't know. When I was in graduate school, the women in my program either went for older guys who were professionally established or scrapped the idea of finding someone intellectual and focused on the beefcake factor. So, I looked for greener pastures elsewhere and ended up with someone who is less academically-inclined. It's only now in midlife that I'm gaining appreciation for more academic intelligence in women as a turn-on. I have a workplace crush who is more intellectual than I am but that alone is not what draws me to her. It's that our senses of humor are really in sync AND there are some physical attraction draws AND that she's intelligent.
Woggle Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 I love smart women but I don't elitists who look down their noses at others of either gender. I don't like hanging out with men like that either. I find that many people with plenty of book smarts but little life experience or street smarts tend to be very much like that. A woman has to be able to let her hair down and enjoy herself once in a while for me to be in to her.
Taramere Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 I equate most female lawyers with being like men. Yeah. I equate most 25 year old lawyers with the words "could you photocopy these productions for me, please?" So I can empathise with you for feeling the way you do.
grogster Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 Men, my questions for you are: (1) what are your thoughts on intellectual women, (2) is there a limit to how intellectual a woman can be and still be considered romantically attractive, and, finally, (3) what is your current age and social position? I ask the latter, because I find that older men are more open to being with intellectual women than younger men are; but, I'm also in college, so maybe my demographic is altering the outcome. 1. I prefer the terms mentally stimulating to "intellectual." She can be a super-scholar yet not be terribly interesting in her everyday comments, observations. Very intellectual people, without humor, wit or zip, are less attractive than less intellectual, but still intelligent, women who can express themselves well. Often, it's in the delivery. 2. No limit whatsoever, but it's not so much IQ as EQ. 3. Just another middle aged attorney. Note: I've known many female attorneys in my work and almost all are bright, attractive and interesting. I'll never understand the put down of women lawyers.
Author always_searching Posted October 1, 2009 Author Posted October 1, 2009 1. I prefer the terms mentally stimulating to "intellectual." She can be a super-scholar yet not be terribly interesting in her everyday comments, observations. Very intellectual people, without humor, wit or zip, are less attractive than less intellectual, but still intelligent, women who can express themselves well. Often, it's in the delivery. 2. No limit whatsoever, but it's not so much IQ as EQ. 3. Just another middle aged attorney. Note: I've known many female attorneys in my work and almost all are bright, attractive and interesting. I'll never understand the put down of women lawyers. Your first point is very understandable. I chose "intellectual," because I am sure that not everyone finds intellectual topics "mentally stimulating." LOL, for example: I am fascinated by mathematics, yet I don't know the first thing about advanced math. So conversation with a mathematician is not so much "mentally stimulating" for me, since my mental capacities can't really keep up; however, I still find people who have knowledge in the field as attractive because they're "intellectual." However, I still prefer someone whom I can keep-up with, at least on some level. So, yes, "mentally stimulating" might have been a better distinction.
JohnnyBlaze Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 No, intellect doesn't scare me.How intellectual? No. How obsessed or overbearing because of it? Yes. I like someone who can talk about something other than her field of expertise or how much better she is than other people because of it. Early 30's, middle social (white collar job, blue collar friends). The top three pick up lines from men, to women: Baby I'm gonna' flood your brain with neurotoxins.Wow, your corpus callosum can sit on my lateral ventricles, any day!I'm sitting here in mortal agony, wondering how your cerebral cortex functions. Put me out of my misery and let me experience this with you, my love. Say, baby; are those synapses in your nucleus accumbens firing because of that great lunch you had, or are you just happy to see me? Top three pick up lines from women, to men: Hi. Studies suggest that there may be more, but due to the overwhelming success of this one, no others have ever been attempted.
bayouboi Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 Some guys will say that a really smart woman is a frigid feminist or simply a bitch... I've heard that many times.. they are insecure azzes.. and most likely far less intelligent than the woman they're calling a bitch. Well, I think there is a difference between the types of intelligence. There is the intelligent woman such as yourself who speaks through their experiences and knowledge and shows a good understanding of things. Then there's the type of woman who tries very hard to express themselves in an intelligent way, but in order to create that illusion, they have to deconstruct anyone else's opinion to the contrary. The former is a smart woman that men find attractive, the latter is the one I consider to be a 'frigid feminist' or 'simply a bitch' and is very prevalent on these boards.
deux ex machina Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 Almost everyone thinks they are more intelligent, a better driver, better looking, and have a better personality than the average person. They generally believe that they look 10 years younger, and weigh 10 pounds less than they do, as well. I wonder sometimes...if everyone is better than average, then where are all of the average people?! Could it be possible that you aren't taking into account your "audience", so to speak? What I'm thinking is, a big part of successfully connecting with others is making sure they feel comfortable...
GorillaTheater Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 1. I prefer the terms mentally stimulating to "intellectual." She can be a super-scholar yet not be terribly interesting in her everyday comments, observations. Very intellectual people, without humor, wit or zip, are less attractive than less intellectual, but still intelligent, women who can express themselves well. Often, it's in the delivery. 2. No limit whatsoever, but it's not so much IQ as EQ. 3. Just another middle aged attorney. Note: I've known many female attorneys in my work and almost all are bright, attractive and interesting. I'll never understand the put down of women lawyers. I could have written this myself, and would add one additional perspective: although given my position I deal with quite a few problematic acamedicians, they as a whole remain very fascinating and engaging people, women included.
grogster Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 I could have written this myself, and would add one additional perspective: although given my position I deal with quite a few problematic acamedicians, they as a whole remain very fascinating and engaging people, women included. I suspect that's the case. Since college, I've not been exposed to many academics. My loss. However, I'll always have the NYRB personals.
Thornton Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 I believe that one of the main reasons my ex broke up with me was because I made him feel stupid. He was a 30yo guy with a PhD, who thought I was a student in my early 20s (I look very young). We dated for a while and he was rather distressed to discover that I was the same age as him, also had a PhD in the same field, and generally knew more than he did about any topic he cared to mention. He frequently mentioned that he felt outwitted in conversation with me, and would comment on his amazement at the wide range of things I do outside of my job (stuff he couldn't do himself, like cooking, playing music, writing poetry, gardening, dancing, etc). He was incredibly miffed that I had three degrees and he only had two! Going back a lot of years, I recall being in my late teens and dating a guy who found it incredibly annoying that I had better qualifications than he did, despite the fact that I came from a poor lower class background and his family were very rich and had sent him to private school. However, another guy seemed to see my education as a positive thing, although he was very shallow - he would say "Fancy, little old me dating a doctor!" I guess he thought that my intelligence somehow boosted his image by association. My current bf is very intelligent and loves that he can talk to me about pretty much any topic, although he sometimes gets a bit frustrated that I seem to know something about everything - he tries to tell me something interesting and I already know all about it, lol He says that one day he'll surprise me by telling me something I don't already know.
sumdude Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 Men, my questions for you are: (1) what are your thoughts on intellectual women, (2) is there a limit to how intellectual a woman can be and still be considered romantically attractive, and, finally, (3) what is your current age and social position? 1. Define intellectual.... Intelligence comes in so many forms. For me it completely depends on attitude, style, personality and communication. I think the best match is someone of equal yet complementary intelligence. If I'm going to spend possibly the rest of my life with someone I don't want to get bored and run out of good conversation. I also don't want to get into an intellectual competition so I'd prefer to have someone I can learn from and vice versa. Good matches for me are hard to find because I have a fairly broad spectrum of interests. The general conversations about TV shows, celebrities etc etc kinda lose me. Having an artistic side I find I communicate best with others of an artistic bent rather than the drier subjects 2. Not really... subconsciously perhaps. 3. 41 WM divorced, no kids, middle / upper middle class, IT tech, audio engineer and musician. No official degree except for real life OJT and being very good at self educating.
looking4 green grass Posted October 1, 2009 Posted October 1, 2009 I believe that one of the main reasons my ex broke up with me was because I made him feel stupid. He was a 30yo guy with a PhD, who thought I was a student in my early 20s (I look very young). We dated for a while and he was rather distressed to discover that I was the same age as him, also had a PhD in the same field, and generally knew more than he did about any topic he cared to mention. He frequently mentioned that he felt outwitted in conversation with me, and would comment on his amazement at the wide range of things I do outside of my job (stuff he couldn't do himself, like cooking, playing music, writing poetry, gardening, dancing, etc). He was incredibly miffed that I had three degrees and he only had two! We were obviously dating the same types of guys! ha! In my experience the more education a guy really has the more he feels threatened by a women with as much education/intelligence. And way to be well rounded! I'm amazed that he was amazed that you could do a variety of things. I mean really, who would have thought that a smart women could do more than one thing!
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