espec10001 Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 When I was a little girl we had pet grasshoppers we named Luke and Leia. Lukaleia...where in the hell is Shakespeare to write the epic poem about Lukaleia the immune to poison grasshopper when you need him? Someone get me the map to his grave!
loveslife Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 Leia turned into a beauty, didn't she? Yes, and that's why Luke liked her.
Woggle Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 It has more to do with attitude than looks. If a man always puts himself above a woman and commands respect she will tend to be more attracted to him while a good looking guy who is a doormat will get treated like one. I see ugly as hell guys with women chasing after them and the number one factor is that they have the player mentality and never put a woman above their self respect. It's a mind game with women and a man needs to know how to pull the right strings.
loveslife Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 never put a woman above their self respect. This is excellent advice for anyone about men or women. Never put anyone above your self-respect.
Rudderless Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 Ah, the self-limiting beliefs of the beta. I'm glad guys like you exist. Have fun working on your looks. The world is littered with nancy boys who think they can coast on their pretty faces. Agreed. Beta's, don't you just love how they spend time on internet forums pretending to be alpha's. Can't do it in real life
stace79 Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 Look matter. A lot. Whats so secret about this? Looks matter, even more than you think, even more than any woman will EVER admit to you on these forums or in real life. Did you already think looks mattered a lot? Well guess what, it matters even more than that. Undoubtedly there are going to be women swarming on this thread either stating I don't know what I am talking about and give me some kind of anecdotal evidence of themselves or one of their friends dating a fat/ugly guy. My advice is to ignore it and just accept the real truth. Yes some ugly guys get decent looking women but statistically this just the effect of the law of large numbers. So in what way do looks matter and why is it so important? Well, the thing is with women, if they are not attracted to you within the first few seconds of seeing you, you are done. There is no amount of game, charm, sweet talking, personality, or anything that will make you sexually attracted to them. After the first few seconds of her sizing you up, if shes already decided she is not sexually attracted to you for the rest of the conversation everything you say to her will go into one ear and out there other. She will have zero interest in what you are saying. There will never be an instance where you introduce yourself to a woman, and she is not initially attracted to you but you somehow talk your way into her pants (and by this I don't mean literally talk your way into her fcking you that night, I mean making her eventually sexually attracted to you). So yes, women are very shallow and are very selective (based purely on looks) as to who they will sleep with, way more so than men. Don't fall for conventional wisdom of men being more shallow or more visually orientated than women. They are not. That garbage was put out there by feminist. Clearly you've not been in the game, at all. What you fail to point out is that women are attracted to a wide variety of men. I have friends who absolutely go nuts over guys with shaved heads. I know another woman who loves a man with a furry chest. Yet other friends of mine absolutely abhor body hair anywhere. I know women who love men with short, spiky highlighted hair, and other women who think highlights are too feminine for a man. I know women who like thinner (not meathead) guys, and others who drool over Arnold type muscles. The only real factor I see similarities with is height -- unfortunately most women do seem to want a guy at least as tall as them, if not head and shoulders taller. I can admit to having issues dating guys shorter than me. Guys, though, are pretty simple -- you have to look like a Victoria's Secret model to turn their heads.
stace79 Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 Very true, but the amount of money it takes for money to start becoming a factor is not attainable by 99% of people. Women don't start to latch onto men with money until you're at the 500k+/year range or net worth into the 10+ millions. This is completely untrue. I have a guy friend who makes barely $175K per year, but he's got no shortage of women after him.
Chicago_Guy Posted September 28, 2009 Posted September 28, 2009 Look matter. A lot. Whats so secret about this? Looks matter, even more than you think, even more than any woman will EVER admit to you on these forums or in real life. Did you already think looks mattered a lot? Well guess what, it matters even more than that. Undoubtedly there are going to be women swarming on this thread either stating I don't know what I am talking about and give me some kind of anecdotal evidence of themselves or one of their friends dating a fat/ugly guy. My advice is to ignore it and just accept the real truth. Yes some ugly guys get decent looking women but statistically this just the effect of the law of large numbers. So in what way do looks matter and why is it so important? Well, the thing is with women, if they are not attracted to you within the first few seconds of seeing you, you are done. There is no amount of game, charm, sweet talking, personality, or anything that will make you sexually attracted to them. After the first few seconds of her sizing you up, if shes already decided she is not sexually attracted to you for the rest of the conversation everything you say to her will go into one ear and out there other. She will have zero interest in what you are saying. There will never be an instance where you introduce yourself to a woman, and she is not initially attracted to you but you somehow talk your way into her pants (and by this I don't mean literally talk your way into her fcking you that night, I mean making her eventually sexually attracted to you). So yes, women are very shallow and are very selective (based purely on looks) as to who they will sleep with, way more so than men. Don't fall for conventional wisdom of men being more shallow or more visually orientated than women. They are not. That garbage was put out there by feminist. I think this is very true, especially for those of us who live in big cities. Maybe people are less shallow in suburbs because there are fewer options?
PQ13 Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 Looks matter, even more than you think, even more than any woman will EVER admit to you on these forums or in real life. Definitely it's true but not everything... I think women subject men to two-part test: a) looks b) smarts It doesn't matter how good looking you are, if you open your mouth and say something really stupid you're the history. The only advantage of being good looking is that you pass "a" part of exam, and then you can show how smart you are... while not so good looking guys are cut off before they even open the mouth. It's not fair, but that's how the game is played. So yea, it really sucks to be fat and smart... no matter if you are man or woman, the difference is if you're "ugly men" you are going to be cut off by women so many times that eventually you may loose any interest in women, if you are "ugly women" no man will approach you... well, maybe only some "strange" guys. Contrary to popular belief - money doesn't attract women (it attracts only hookers and gold diggers)! Women are attracted to a strong personality, essentially it is the same set traits that makes men wealthy, so it appears that women are attracted to money and power, but it's not. Some vainer may hit a big jackpot in casino, but he only attracts a bunch of hookers, strippers and gold diggers, that's what these ladies do for living - part fool and his money.
BlueHarvest Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 OpenGL. Did Hkizzle hack your account and decide to troll the forums as someone other then himself? 'Cause this is something I'd expect out of him, not out of you. As for the whole concept....yes looks matter. And I'm sure there are some extremely superficial girls out there who make that their #1 top priority to get a "10" guy. (in terms of looks) But I believe Elio Carletti said it best... "Beauty is a summation of the parts where nothing is needed to be altered, added, or taken away" To me this encompasses not only looks but attitude and intelligence as well.
SoulSearch_CO Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 So are you ready for this secret? Here is it. So yes, women are very shallow and are very selective (based purely on looks) as to who they will sleep with, way more so than men. Um. DUH. Men will fck just about anything with a vajayjay. It's some kind of secret that women won't fck a guy just because he has a penis? I thought this was conventional knowledge.
Author OpenGL Posted September 29, 2009 Author Posted September 29, 2009 It doesn't matter how good looking you are, if you open your mouth and say something really stupid you're the history. The only advantage of being good looking is that you pass "a" part of exam, and then you can show how smart you are... while not so good looking guys are cut off before they even open the mouth. It's not fair, but that's how the game is played. That's general true so BFs and girls looking for LTR material, or really quality girls (good looking professionals). In that case good looks along with no game or being an idiot will not get you success. However you are right, you first need pass the looks part of the exam before she will even hear anything out of your mouth, thats the key point here I was trying to make and I'm glad at least a few people realize that on this forum. So yea, it really sucks to be fat and smart... no matter if you are man or woman, the difference is if you're "ugly men" you are going to be cut off by women so many times that eventually you may loose any interest in women, if you are "ugly women" no man will approach you... well, maybe only some "strange" guys. You won't lose interest in women, you just start going for hookers or fatties. Contrary to popular belief - money doesn't attract women (it attracts only hookers and gold diggers)! Women are attracted to a strong personality, essentially it is the same set traits that makes men wealthy, so it appears that women are attracted to money and power, but it's not. Some vainer may hit a big jackpot in casino, but he only attracts a bunch of hookers, strippers and gold diggers, that's what these ladies do for living - part fool and his money. This is where I will disagree. Yes of course money attracts hookers and gold diggers, but money/power (power comes along with the money) attracts real women took, at least at an unconcious level.
Author OpenGL Posted September 29, 2009 Author Posted September 29, 2009 From my own experience i have to say the OP is extremely right. Not only do your looks matter in terms of if women are attracted to you, but for the majority of women your looks decide whether they will treat you nicely or with respect. The worst is when women treat people who they are not attracted to poorly, and then make up a reason for why they do it. Just noticed this post, and that is an excellent point to bring up that I forgot to mention. When a girl is not attracted to you, even if she has a boyfriend or you have a girlfriend, they will treat you poorly most of the time. I have experienced this quite a few times even when I wasn't attracted to the girl at all (but I treated her normal). In return however she always made excuses to, at least attempt, to make me look like a fool whenever possible (but failed). She even said something really nasty (semi-racist comment) to me one time for no apparent reason and got slapped by her sister (who did find me attractive). Enough of that though, you get the point. If you can somehow charm or sweet talk a girl into giving you a shot, trust me, the attraction is always on very thin ice and will wane quickly after the first "hot guy" they see burps in their direction. This has been my experience with women. In the end, looks are what decides who gets the girl who doesn't, etc. To deny this is wishful thinking by feel-gooders. Exactly, that's why I have ignored most of the women who have responded in this thread. Listening to dating advice from women is one of the most useless and unproductive things you can do. I really feel sorry for the people who do so. How many times have you heard a woman says she just wants a nice guy?
Author OpenGL Posted September 29, 2009 Author Posted September 29, 2009 Interesting thread, I think you're right. By looks what exactly are you talking about? Mainly the face? Or the body? Or what percentage of both (60/40)? Here is the approximate order in my opinion. Very hard to get the order down exactly since women will never admit this order exists in the first place. But this is based off what I've seen in dating/hookup patterns. 1. Race (yes, it matters, more than woman will admit) 2. Height (at least women admit this is important) 3. Face 4. Hair 5. Body (unless you're fat, skinny is ok though) Positions 1 and 2 might be switched, not sure, but they are definitely 1 and 2 from what I have observed. It may sound weird body being last, but from what I have observed that is the least determination factor of attractiveness unless you are on the beach or something.
Chicago_Guy Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 Interesting thread, I think you're right. By looks what exactly are you talking about? Mainly the face? Or the body? Or what percentage of both (60/40)? I could be wrong, but I personally think that most women are more attracted to a good-looking face than a good body.
stace79 Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 I could be wrong, but I personally think that most women are more attracted to a good-looking face than a good body. I would sort of agree as a woman. I can overlook a beer belly or maybe his muscle tone isn't ideal. I think where most "normal" women draw the line is outright obesity. Height is also huge -- I don't know many women who want to date a shorter man. However, "good looking faces" are subjective. I find my fiance attractive (obviously) but my sister isn't so impressed. On the other hand, I don't think her H is attractive in the face at all!
LB85 Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 I have to admit I am the same. Its either the looks and if I am somewhat attracted to you and you are rich then you are just as good as seeming hot to me. I agree that charms work till a certain extent (girl flirting back and getting extra friendly) but otherwise there is no way a guy can get a woman to do what he wants unless hes extremely good looking and smooth (not an obvious jerk, yet probably still a jerk).
gopher Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 This is completely untrue. I have a guy friend who makes barely $175K per year, but he's got no shortage of women after him. Wow that's really rough....Is he on foodstamps and medicaid?
stace79 Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 Wow that's really rough....Is he on foodstamps and medicaid? You might want to bite your tongue if you haven't read the entire thread. I was responding to the idiot who said the "income threshold" where looks don't matter is minimum $500K per year or more than $10 million in assets/worth.
gopher Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 I would sort of agree as a woman. I can overlook a beer belly or maybe his muscle tone isn't ideal. I think where most "normal" women draw the line is outright obesity. Height is also huge -- I don't know many women who want to date a shorter man. However, "good looking faces" are subjective. I find my fiance attractive (obviously) but my sister isn't so impressed. On the other hand, I don't think her H is attractive in the face at all! I'm shorter, 5'8"ish....give or take. I've never struggled with a lack of women....My current g/f is shorter than me, and thinks I'm hot. But, it's ok if women don't want to date shorter men...like 5'3" women who want to date 6' and taller guys. It has to be funny for all those women to compete for a smaller piece of the pie. Plus, that preference allows men to reject overweight women without being slammed, right?( sarcasm mode on)
Chicago_Guy Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 I'm shorter, 5'8"ish....give or take. I've never struggled with a lack of women....My current g/f is shorter than me, and thinks I'm hot. But, it's ok if women don't want to date shorter men...like 5'3" women who want to date 6' and taller guys. It has to be funny for all those women to compete for a smaller piece of the pie. Plus, that preference allows men to reject overweight women without being slammed, right?( sarcasm mode on) I'm between 5'8" and 5'9" myself. I think we are on the shorter range of what is generally acceptable to most women. I have heard that a lot of women think that guys who are just a couple inches shorter than us are "too short."
stace79 Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 I'm shorter, 5'8"ish....give or take. I've never struggled with a lack of women....My current g/f is shorter than me, and thinks I'm hot. But, it's ok if women don't want to date shorter men...like 5'3" women who want to date 6' and taller guys. It has to be funny for all those women to compete for a smaller piece of the pie. Plus, that preference allows men to reject overweight women without being slammed, right?( sarcasm mode on) I'm between 5'8" and 5'9" myself. I think we are on the shorter range of what is generally acceptable to most women. I have heard that a lot of women think that guys who are just a couple inches shorter than us are "too short." I think it's relative to the woman's height. At least that is my experience. I am 5'7'' which is on the higher side of average, so for me I typically prefer guys a couple inches taller than me or more. If I were only my sister's height, 5'1'', then I wouldn't have a problem dating a guy who was only 5'6''-ish. I don't care if he's "average" height for a man -- it's really whether I am taller than him in heels.
brokenglass Posted September 29, 2009 Posted September 29, 2009 The last woman I knew that dated a guy because he was "really nice" and they had "good conversation", shes now leaving him after a long relationship because he's "fat" and shes "sick of the boils on the back of his head" (which he can't help due to some type of illness). The OP's statement isn't that cut and dry though, but I've found with the 30+ women I've met in the past few months that he's at least 90% right. Women are emotional creatures and even if you are good looking and approach them, most of the time if there's a single emotion tied in with someone else, you're toast.
Author OpenGL Posted September 30, 2009 Author Posted September 30, 2009 If I were only my sister's height, 5'1'', then I wouldn't have a problem dating a guy who was only 5'6''-ish. I don't care if he's "average" height for a man -- it's really whether I am taller than him in heels. Actually, from my experience, its only the short girls that are about height so much. I find that girls that are below 5'2 almost always want a 6'3+ guy while the 5'6-5'7 girls care a lot less or not at all about height. Then 5'10+ girls are the ones that usually have no problem dating guys their height or shorter. I suppose it's because the 5'2 girls have a height complex they need to compensate for.
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