You'reasian Posted September 18, 2009 Posted September 18, 2009 Perfect example of what we are discussing. I know.
Chicago_Guy Posted September 19, 2009 Posted September 19, 2009 I think the kind of teasing that reduces someone to tears is going beyond normal "fun". But I do agree that it's odd how alot of guys are saying women love drama and love being poked at and that they are only doing what women want and are asking for. I mean, honestly, it's clear men love a little drama too and purposely poking at the monkey through the cage. Also funny that Paragon defend that but then says the woman should respond accordingly. Jersey, you must have dated some real jackasses in the past! I personally don't like the drama and don't like pissing people off for no reason, but maybe that's just me.
You'reasian Posted September 19, 2009 Posted September 19, 2009 JS, I have to inject something, in defense of all men. Some men and some women, will go to all lengths for personal amusement, regardless of how it hurts another person. For that matter, they enjoy another's discomfort, anger and pain which doesn't say much for them, as people. Your average guy will tease. Your average women also teases. But all within the boundaries of tastefulness and an acceptable level of respect. I agree with what TBF has said here. Very tastefull. There's nothing wrong with occasional teasing. Provoking is teasing done to instigate conflict - there's a difference. A little good natured teasing is fine by me - I get some, I give some.
Author Jersey Shortie Posted September 19, 2009 Author Posted September 19, 2009 Your average guy will tease. Your average women also teases. But all within the boundaries of tastefulness and an acceptable level of respect. Well I agree I'm sorry but pot, meet kettle. If you are anything like you are in real life than you are on here then you are going to find people poking at you a lot, it is the way of the world. Nobody can get into as many heated debates about men as you do on here without deliberately wanting to be riled up. If you don't want to be riled up over everything stop courting the controversy. I don't purposely want to make people mad to rile them up. I don't poke at them for the sake of poking at them. I am true to what I think and share that and yes, it riles people up but I would prefer it didn't. What you are trying to coorelate, and what we are talking about are two different animals.
Kamille Posted September 19, 2009 Posted September 19, 2009 I see you also dig feeling negative emotions Paragon! I distinguished "teasing" from "pushing buttons" earlier. Pushing buttons is making someone lose control, upsetting them on purpose. Don't get mad, P. You're not going to win with rethoric strategies here. Um, yea. Find for me where I said women are asking for it? Never said that. And again, you're arbitrarily switching from button pushing to "reducing to tears". THEY'RE TWO DIFFERENT THINGS!!!! You say you push buttons because women like feeling negative emotions. You are therefore saying that the reason men push buttons, is becaus of the nature of women. Therefore, women are the cause of the push buttons things. A=B=C. Wonderful source for your assertion--your sample is the men in your life. Wow--truly astounding. Actually, that's only a small percentage of men. Better then SoSuave I'll tell you! Way more reliable! Bottom line is, if the women in your life respond well to your kind of teasing, then keep going. Do what works for you and I'll do what works for me. I've said it THREE times now--how can you sit here and claim what you unconsciously like and respond to? I don't think you understand the consequences of saying--I can get inside my own unconscious. Not even Freud said that was possible, and he created the idea of the unconscious in the first place!! Listen, Freud's theory is highly contested. I don't believe in the unconscious. To put it short, I'm an interactionists. I believe that yes we integrate forms of knowledge without realizing it, but that is has nothing to do with the "nature" of gender. You should understand this as you yourself said that emotions aren't negative or positive, that it's just the value humans attach to this. Basically, I believe a lot of Freud's analysis are bull****. If you want me to go on, pm me and I will explain. (And remember, Freud was an upper middle class man who analyzed human values from the perspective of upper middle class men. What he wrote was a theory, not an actual model of the world, or a complete truth.) So, yea. That's all. Thanks for the discussion so far. It has been interesting.
Els Posted September 20, 2009 Posted September 20, 2009 I don't quite get the problem. If your guy consistently pokes you beyond what you find enjoyable even after you tell him so, why are you with him?
Paragon Posted September 20, 2009 Posted September 20, 2009 You're not going to win with rethoric strategies here. Uhm, what kind of strategies? LOL. First, know how to spell the word before you use it, and THEN learn it's proper meaning so you can then explain and point out where and what my 'rethoric' strategies are. Uh oh, wait--you just pushed my buttons, and I responded in kind and made the situation worse by insulting you!! But uhm, isn't that ok judging by the previous posts in this thread? You say you push buttons because women like feeling negative emotions. You are therefore saying that the reason men push buttons, is becaus of the nature of women. Therefore, women are the cause of the push buttons things. A=B=C. Are you KIDDING?!?!?!?! Do you not see the logical flaws in there? Ok....Let's point em out... 1) You say you push buttons because women like feeling negative emotions. You are therefore saying that the reason men push buttons, is becaus of the nature of women. Incorrect. If that statement were to be logical, it WOULD have been structured like this: You say you push buttons because women like feeling negative emotions. You are therefore saying that the reason men push buttons, is because women like feeling negative emotions. Do you see how you slipped that little wording change in there, but yet at the same time COMPLETELY changed the meaning of your statement? Tricky... 2) Therefore, women are the cause of the push buttons things. No...again--no. If THAT statement were true, then women would have to be an ACTIVE PART of the situation, actively getting men to push their buttons. And I think that conflicts with your previous statements...So again, illogical. 3) A=B=C Here's how that should go: A NOT=B NOT=C But I forgot something there--what you claimed I said, about men ONLY pushing buttons because women like that--that's totally wrong, because if you REREAD one of my first posts in this thread, I mentioned there being something deeper behind the button pushing, which you must have missed. Listen, Freud's theory is highly contested. I don't believe in the unconscious. Ok, so--what part of your mind does the dreaming when you go to sleep? Don't BELIEVE in the unconscious? It quite frankly doesn't matter if you BELIEVE in it or not--it's there. As a matter of fact, it's the answer to the question I just asked you.
Kamille Posted September 20, 2009 Posted September 20, 2009 ooh ooh! Calm down P. Remain friendly. Or am I pushing your buttons here? Uhm, what kind of strategies? LOL. First, know how to spell the word before you use it, and THEN learn it's proper meaning so you can then explain and point out where and what my 'rethoric' strategies are. Apprends à parler français et après viens me corriger dans ma langue seconde. (I'll be nice: learn to speak French and then you can come correct me in my second language). And we both know rhetoric is exactly what you are doing by trying to "dismiss my argument" and "question my authority" based on something as insignificant as spelling. You're no longer actually adding to the conversation, you are picking on whatever you can in the hopes of having the last word. And because, well, hey, this is fun. Uh oh, wait--you just pushed my buttons, and I responded in kind and made the situation worse by insulting you!! But uhm, isn't that ok judging by the previous posts in this thread? Insulted? Amused is more like it. This is teasing. Believe me, you're a rookie button-pusher compared to my ex. Are you KIDDING?!?!?!?! Do you not see the logical flaws in there? Ok....Let's point em out... 1) You say you push buttons because women like feeling negative emotions. You are therefore saying that the reason men push buttons, is becaus of the nature of women. Incorrect. If that statement were to be logical, it WOULD have been structured like this: You say you push buttons because women like feeling negative emotions. You are therefore saying that the reason men push buttons, is because women like feeling negative emotions. Do you see how you slipped that little wording change in there, but yet at the same time COMPLETELY changed the meaning of your statement? Tricky... Semantics. The reason remains "because" of women. 2) Therefore, women are the cause of the push buttons things. No...again--no. If THAT statement were true, then women would have to be an ACTIVE PART of the situation, actively getting men to push their buttons. Thanks, that is my point exactly. I am glad we agree here that the reason men taunt/tease/push buttons has nothing to do with women and their nature. So now, the question is: what is it in male psychology, or maybe in even in society, that makes it so some men feel it is ok to push the limits at time? But I forgot something there--what you claimed I said, about men ONLY pushing buttons because women like that--that's totally wrong, because if you REREAD one of my first posts in this thread, I mentioned there being something deeper behind the button pushing, which you must have missed. I'm too lazy to go back and reread the whole thread now. You obviously missed a few of my points and questions too, since right now we're both more involved in trying to be right then in actually listening to each other. So how about it: what is the deeper reason men like to push women's buttons? hmmm... Turns out, I like pushing buttons too . Don't BELIEVE in the unconscious? It quite frankly doesn't matter if you BELIEVE in it or not--it's there. As a matter of fact, it's the answer to the question I just asked you. No I don't believe in the unconscious. Enough said. And what question did you ask me?
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