ProudMumOf2 Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 If you didn't care, why are you taking another run at me, amongst other times? Believe me, if you ever have kids, having a hyper-critical negative mindset is not the way to go. They'll end up resenting you for not being able to live up to your impossible standards. I get that feeling about you just from the fact you think it's normal to say what you have on this thread. You don't understand that the way you're criticising is totally unacceptable.
Trialbyfire Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 Believe me, if you ever have kids, having a hyper-critical negative mindset is not the way to go. They'll end up resenting you for not being able to live up to your impossible standards. I get that feeling about you just from the fact you think it's normal to say what you have on this thread. You don't understand that the way you're criticising is totally unacceptable.It's unacceptable to you and a few others. That's not my problem and quite frankly, I don't particularly care about your opinion so it's moot.
ProudMumOf2 Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 It's unacceptable to you and a few others. That's not my problem and quite frankly, I don't particularly care about your opinion so it's moot. Oh no, it's not subjective, it's just unnaceptable behaviour. Either you can't see it or you're in denial about it, but believe me it is your problem my dear, and any time you want to try and solve it pop over to the self improvement forum. Until then I guess I'll just have to put up with it
Trialbyfire Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 Oh no, it's not subjective, it's just unnaceptable behaviour. Either you can't see it or you're in denial about it, but believe me it is your problem my dear, and any time you want to try and solve it pop over to the self improvement forum. Until then I guess I'll just have to put up with it Do you see the hypocrisy in your posts? You're criticizing me for being being critical. Such a rocket scientist!
ProudMumOf2 Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 Do you see the hypocrisy in your posts? You're criticizing me for being being critical. Such a rocket scientist! Absolutely no hypocrisy whatsoever, one person is being criticised for doing something fun and productive, you on the other hand are behaving like a sulky 4 year old
tinktronik Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 Do you see the hypocrisy in your posts? You're criticizing me for being being critical. Such a rocket scientist! I think the post you are replying to is referring to your particular brand of being image obsessed and how it is kind of sad. Different kind of critical. Instead of feeling the need to critique every woman this one just feels the need to pick apart your image obsession. Different thing really.
carhill Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 IDK, redheads with curves are pretty hot. I didn't spot a wedding ring....
Trialbyfire Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 Absolutely no hypocrisy whatsoever, one person is being criticised for doing something fun and productive, you on the other hand are behaving like a sulky 4 year old Next time, use your regular screenname so people know who's hiding behind an alternate. And with that, I'm bored. So, back on topic, this woman not only should pick up her style but trying to look like a twenty-something sex symbol is truly the height of embarrassing.
Author shadowplay Posted September 15, 2009 Author Posted September 15, 2009 IDK, redheads with curves are pretty hot. I didn't spot a wedding ring.... you're oozing horniness, carhill!
Trialbyfire Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 I think the post you are replying to is referring to your particular brand of being image obsessed and how it is kind of sad. Different kind of critical. Instead of feeling the need to critique every woman this one just feels the need to pick apart your image obsession. Different thing really.I don't feel the need to pick apart every woman, just the one individual you see in the clip. So how does this become "my" image obsession?
EarthGirl Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 http://demandware.edgesuite.net/aace_prd/on/demandware.static/Sites-Lucy-Site/Sites-Lucy-Library/default/v1252957946598/Home/Sept09/Home_Page_01.jpg While this isn't a dance outfit, it's a workout one that would be age appropriate for her. Ignore the hair. And most definitely, no leg-warmers or ballroom dancing shoes. I would thin out her bangs and tie them back into a sleek ponytail that sits at the nape of her neck. Trial, you are assuming that what is "in fashion" now in 2009 is the "correct" and "tasteful" way for everyone to dress...every era has a different style, as well as some different parts of the globe within eras...Most of it is simply perspective coming from where and when you come from. Even though you said you are her age, obviously you are not stuck in the 80's of your kid/teenage years and have evolved with the times..that's great for you, but there is no wrong or right to this stuff except people's personal taste...except of course for most of the 70's and parts of the 80's and possibly just a little bit of the 60's (lots of the 60's were super cool though)..but a lot of 80's (I am an 80's baby) to me, is really cool, if you just throw out the tacky stuff...As for the rest of history..centuries ago, I am not a fashion historian or anything (but I always think the ladies look lovely in period dramas and beautiful antique dresses) but you get my point. The 70's being the only true exception, lol....all eras of history just have their own style based on the people living and what is going on culturally, politically, etc. Your view of her outfit as "dated" (although I am not a fan of the baggy sweater...but then like I said I am not a fan of the whole video-especially the choreography- and Beyonce in that black leotard with the a-symetry, one sleeve and one side without it)...is really not objective. There is no right or wrong. And regardless of her dated (and also not very attractive, I might add since I just made the point that "dated" is unimportant) hairstyle, and regardless of if she is pushing 40, it would be a shame to have to cover up such beautiful legs, and I still contend that leg warmers are supercool..I used to be dancer myself, only wore them occasionally not very often, but I still love the way they look..besides they were originally invented for a reason..to keep dancers ankles and calf muscles warm when warming up in a cold studio in winter, or if they have an injury etc. I would like to say though, that if that video won some MTV video award the other day, then I think that our music video industry (especially 'dance videos") is really going downhill these days.
Isolde Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 To be fair, this thread was supposed to consist of responses to the criticism of this woman on YouTube, so most posters tried to get at why she may have been criticised namely, that her outfit wasn't the most flattering. However, I have to say I've seen a lot of women dressed like they were trying to relive their youth, but this woman doesn't strike me as that type, especially in the other photographs posted. She seems natural and happy.
underpants Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 My only problem is the legwarmers. Other then that I think she is in great shape and I learned some dance moves.
Author shadowplay Posted September 15, 2009 Author Posted September 15, 2009 However, I have to say I've seen a lot of women dressed like they were trying to relive their youth, but this woman doesn't strike me as that type, especially in the other photographs posted. She seems natural and happy. Right. I get the feeling her video was meant to be fun and tongue in cheek. I probably wouldn't have worn that outfit personally, but whatev.
Trialbyfire Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 My mind won't change about her or my attitude towards people in the public eye. As previously stated, Donald Trump looks ridiculous and so does this woman.
northstar1 Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 I'm scratching my head wondering why some posters are so up at arms because some other posters critiqued the video and the woman's style. Aren't people allowed their own opinions? If you're gonna post yourself in a video up on a mass media site, you have to expect it is going to be critiqued, especially when Youtube is so embedded in our culture.
tinktronik Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 I don't feel the need to pick apart every woman, just the one individual you see in the clip. So how does this become "my" image obsession? No, no, no. I'm not saying you are image obsessed. Just attempting to clarify something you did not seem to be getting in earlier posts.
Trialbyfire Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 No, no, no. I'm not saying you are image obsessed. Just attempting to clarify something you did not seem to be getting in earlier posts.I do get what people are saying but I don't feel that it's pertinent, in this situation, to women in general. I do have an expectation of women in the public eye, one where the bar is fairly high. I don't expect that the average woman should be comparing herself to women in the public eye and if my comments cause insecurities within people, they should be asking themselves why.
Isolde Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 Donald Trump is in his sixties, she can't be more than like 42. I agree there's an age where it's tacky to go for a young look (strappy tanks, shorts, skirts hitting above knee), but 35 or even 40, isn't necessarily too old for those things, in a casual setting and if the clothes are good quality (which this leotard is not).
Trialbyfire Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 Donald Trump is in his sixties, she can't be more than like 42. I agree there's an age where it's tacky to go for a young look (strappy tanks, shorts, skirts hitting above knee), but 35 or even 40, isn't necessarily too old for those things, in a casual setting and if the clothes are good quality (which this leotard is not).That's not my point Isolde. She looks like crap in that clip, in the style she chose to wear and worse yet, in her attempt to look like Beyonce. If she chose a long-sleeved leotard, no leg warmers (soooo tacky), without putting on that sweater with the mutton leg and asymmetrical dolman, uglier than crap sleeves, it would look better on her. Also, the hair is so wrong for her. She really looks like a SAHM, attempting to dress like a 20-something sex symbol. It looks horrible.
ProudMumOf2 Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 Aren't people allowed their own opinions? Of course What I question is why when people are allowed opinions they use that freedom to be hyper-critical, negative, and anti-social, when instead they can make a simple choice to be either positive or constructively critical, which is acceptable social behaviour. On Youtube, the the majority of those that frequent the comment sections are frustrated teenagers. However, when a mature adult thinks it's normal to make those kind of snippy, bitchy, comments, it points to some form of underlying problem in that persons mindset, and makes them appear to have the same level social skills of those frustrated teenagers
Author shadowplay Posted September 15, 2009 Author Posted September 15, 2009 I do get what people are saying but I don't feel that it's pertinent, in this situation, to women in general. I do have an expectation of women in the public eye, one where the bar is fairly high. I don't expect that the average woman should be comparing herself to women in the public eye and if my comments cause insecurities within people, they should be asking themselves why. I also have high expectations for women in the media, and I'm not hesitant about pointing out flaws if I feel like it. But I don't have high expectations for ordinary people who post home videos on youtube.
Isolde Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 I'm not denying she looks bad in that outfit, but it's still a silly youtube video, not a public appearance. My question is why you say it's just a matter of style and then, talk about her trying to recapture her youth. Recall how ridiculous Britney Spears looked in some of her getups, as a twentysomething.
Trialbyfire Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 I also have high expectations for women in the media, and I'm not hesitant about pointing out flaws if I feel like it. But I don't have high expectations for ordinary people who post home videos on youtube.That's where we differ. I do for people who choose to do this on youtube. I'm not denying she looks bad in that outfit, but it's still a silly youtube video, not a public appearance. My question is why you say it's just a matter of style and then, talk about her trying to recapture her youth. Recall how ridiculous Britney Spears looked in some of her getups, as a twentysomething.Don't get me started on Britney and even some of Beyonce's outfits. For that matter, have you ever seen how Beyonce dresses while not in the spotlight. Most def. not something that in my opinion, looks good, regardless of cost or how trendy her clothes are.
Star Gazer Posted September 15, 2009 Posted September 15, 2009 What I question is why when people are allowed opinions they use that freedom to be hyper-critical, negative, and anti-social, when instead they can make a simple choice to be either positive or constructively critical, which is acceptable social behaviour. On Youtube, the the majority of those that frequent the comment sections are frustrated teenagers. However, when a mature adult thinks it's normal to make those kind of snippy, bitchy, comments, it points to some form of underlying problem in that persons mindset, and makes them appear to have the same level social skills of those frustrated teenagers Spot on! There's a much more constructive use of "opinions" that being flat out critical and b*tchy, FOR NO PURPOSE.
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