sally4sara Posted September 14, 2009 Posted September 14, 2009 From what I understand from my asian friends, women are treated like crap in Asia, with minimal rights. Lately though, from what I've noticed since I live in a city full of asians, it appears that the younger girls are battling back, at least from the Chinese contingent. There's a trend going on whereby the men are carrying the womens' purses for them. A helluva' statement, no? Ahh, but this is the pointless route to change. It is with the focus on punishment and that is what breeds the tension to futility. Democracy gives one the right to live as they would prefer rather than as they're told and if you are living that way, you won't need an "enemy" to treat how you don't allow yourself to be treated. But I guess some people are forgetting what democracy is suppose to be about.
Jersey Shortie Posted September 14, 2009 Posted September 14, 2009 Men and women aren't more at piece in other cultures. All the tension is a result of both sides feeling unfairly treated and disrespected.
Author Hkizzle Posted September 14, 2009 Author Posted September 14, 2009 From what I understand from my asian friends, women are treated like crap in Asia, with minimal rights. Lately though, from what I've noticed since I live in a city full of asians, it appears that the younger girls are battling back, at least from the Chinese contingent. There's a trend going on whereby the men are carrying the womens' purses for them. A helluva' statement, no? Haha, depends on what you mean by minimal rights. It's hard to explain to someone that hasn't lived there, but Asia is more of a 1950's version of the US, although women go out and work. Men are more dominate in relationships and women are more subservient. However, women are much more likely to be gold digging, and I know lots of guys that are like ATM machines. So there's a lot more men that expect women to listen to them, and women that will accept that as long as the man pays up and buys them a Prada hand bag on their bdays. Hope you get the picture. As for Asian men living in Western countries. They got it the worst. Asian women can go for Asian men and white guys. Asian men rarely get to date white girls, or it's rarer. So the supply/demand situation is skewed. Hell I remember going on holiday in Florida a couple years back, and I was with my pretty blonde host, just the two of us at Islands of adventure and lots of guys literally starring at me, like "wtf is this Asian dude doing with a cute blonde?"
kizik Posted September 14, 2009 Posted September 14, 2009 People who engage in gender battling / belittling clearly have something to prove due to insecurity with self. Gender battling occurs when people are sexually frustrated, for example, and choose to blame the other gender for their lack of dating success. I think men and women are more similar than anyone would like to admit.
Sam Spade Posted September 14, 2009 Posted September 14, 2009 But if someone were to come to this country and feel it is a more tense or more often spoke of subject (anywhere other than on here that is) it is probably due to women having more rights and options here than in many other countries. And THAT is hardly the U.S. fault. Land of the Free and democracy and all that bit tends to give everyone more rights, but I thought that was the point. As born and raised european, I testify that this is complete load of crap . The US is waay *behind* the rest of the civilized world as far as women's rights etc. are concerned. Where I come from it has never, ever been an issue or a big deal that wome work in advanced posts, are high (or highest!) level political leaders, scientists, managers, and, gasp, both work and have families. It is so normal and given that nobody even bothers to talk about it, and I have not met *one* woman who felt that she somehow had to compete against "good ol boy " interests. Unlike in the US. Whatever US's and US women's problem is, it certainly isn't because of "more rights". My theory is that US women are pissed that now they actually have to go to work:p, something that their sisters across the ocean have been doing for ages. Naturally, this constructive and partnership attitude transcends the work world and is apparent in the way men and women interact in generally - with much less tension and game playing. Alternative theory, the "opression" has been real, and now women punish men fo past crimes . either way, these are the worst gender relations I've observed anywhere.
Jersey Shortie Posted September 14, 2009 Posted September 14, 2009 What is facinating is that you really believe what you just said even though it's a bunch of hogwash. The fact that you say American women are "punishing men" screams of victim mentality and your own personal insecurities and blaming women for your own problems.
allina Posted September 14, 2009 Posted September 14, 2009 In almost every case I see here the source of gender bashing is rejection and insecurity. I see these men on LS who have snapped, or are about to. They're unwanted by women, and they're bitter. The pain from all the rejection has turned to anger, and instead of doing a little self discovery and work they lash out. Same with woman. They walk around insecure, suspicious and angry. They expect a man to come along and fix their pissy, off putting attitude. They point the finger at porn, men and other women, anything to blame someone, or something other than themselves.
sally4sara Posted September 14, 2009 Posted September 14, 2009 As born and raised european, I testify that this is complete load of crap . The US is waay *behind* the rest of the civilized world as far as women's rights etc. are concerned. Where I come from it has never, ever been an issue or a big deal that wome work in advanced posts, are high (or highest!) level political leaders, scientists, managers, and, gasp, both work and have families. It is so normal and given that nobody even bothers to talk about it, and I have not met *one* woman who felt that she somehow had to compete against "good ol boy " interests. Unlike in the US. Whatever US's and US women's problem is, it certainly isn't because of "more rights". My theory is that US women are pissed that now they actually have to go to work:p, something that their sisters across the ocean have been doing for ages. Naturally, this constructive and partnership attitude transcends the work world and is apparent in the way men and women interact in generally - with much less tension and game playing. Alternative theory, the "opression" has been real, and now women punish men fo past crimes . either way, these are the worst gender relations I've observed anywhere. If you come from a government with more restriction on personal freedoms, you don't have a platform that fosters contention leading one to believe there is none. And you will see more pointless hatred in the rarer contentions you DO see. Like the "carry my purse boy" situation previously. Sam Spade, I didn't say the U.S. is the best, I said: "women having more rights and options here than in many other countries." And it is a true statement. Any government that allow personal freedoms is likely going to have more opinions and therefore more differences of opinions. Like this one. I just happen to live in the U.S. and am not qualified to speak about others.
Star Gazer Posted September 14, 2009 Posted September 14, 2009 Me, I love women. Not to say I don't take a perverse pleasure in pissing them off or anything. My BF would say the very same thing. He beats his chest and acts like a caveman on occasion (particularly when watching football), and enjoys getting under my very girly skin with such things.
donnamaybe Posted September 14, 2009 Posted September 14, 2009 It depends on how the differences are expressed. If they're expressed in a respectful or comedic manner, people can handle it. If it's deliberately posted to antagonize, particularly when none of it's backed up by any real fact, and misogyny is hidden behind an intellectual discussion, expect to get a reaction. And that is EXACTLY what was going on in that thread! We were being told by two so-called "men" (not you, OP) that women are inferior and basically only good for cooking, cleaning, and screwing. Apparently we're supposed to be good little obedient women and just shut up and like it.
alphamale Posted September 14, 2009 Posted September 14, 2009 What's the deal here? many americans are puritanical and conservative idiots compared to the rest of the world
freestyle Posted September 14, 2009 Posted September 14, 2009 People who engage in gender battling / belittling clearly have something to prove due to insecurity with self. Gender battling occurs when people are sexually frustrated, for example, and choose to blame the other gender for their lack of dating success. I think men and women are more similar than anyone would like to admit. ................I think you're on to something here.............
Trialbyfire Posted September 14, 2009 Posted September 14, 2009 And that is EXACTLY what was going on in that thread! We were being told by two so-called "men" (not you, OP) that women are inferior and basically only good for cooking, cleaning, and screwing. Apparently we're supposed to be good little obedient women and just shut up and like it. It's the dehumanization process. The opposite gender shouldn't be treated in blanket form, as sub-species. I will say that there are individuals, both male and female who act like sub-species.
donnamaybe Posted September 14, 2009 Posted September 14, 2009 It's the dehumanization process. The opposite gender shouldn't be treated in blanket form, as sub-species. I will say that there are individuals, both male and female who act like sub-species. It's because they can't communicate with humans, apparently, therefore can't get a woman, so they have to DEhumanize women in order to have a chance with any of them.
Island Girl Posted September 14, 2009 Posted September 14, 2009 Men and women aren't more at piece in other cultures. All the tension is a result of both sides feeling unfairly treated and disrespected. Naaaah. I can't agree with this having been exposed to cultures IN other countries - my experience doesn't match up with this. What is this based on? People who engage in gender battling / belittling clearly have something to prove due to insecurity with self. This little note of wisdom is the issue in a nutshell. I am a woman. I am very different from men in a lot of ways. Sure, we have common ground. But his strengths balance my weaknesses. My strengths (and I have quite a few ) balance his weaknesses. I revel in our differences and am quite proud of what each of us bring to the table. I simply adore men. And I adore the fact that they adore me. That said - there are the few haters on both sides that find an argument for their "rights" being trampled or being under appreciated in anything and everything. Perhaps they will live that way forever - unhappy and angry - fist flying -- I'm equal! You aren't better than me because you are a man/woman! I'm sick of being treated as worthless!"
SoulSearch_CO Posted September 17, 2009 Posted September 17, 2009 Why would I want to f*ck someone I get along with? :lmao: The quote that made my night.
bayouboi Posted September 17, 2009 Posted September 17, 2009 1. People who engage in gender battling / belittling clearly have something to prove due to insecurity with self. 2. Gender battling occurs when people are sexually frustrated, for example, and choose to blame the other gender for their lack of dating success. 3. I think men and women are more similar than anyone would like to admit. I agree with points 1 and 2. I strongly disagree with point 3. I think it's our differences that make us so attracted to each other. It's a yin-yan relationship where what one lacks, the other provides.
Sam Spade Posted September 17, 2009 Posted September 17, 2009 Why would I want to f*ck someone I get along with? Best delivery ever, in the War of the Roses: Mrs. Rose: "Have you ever made angry love?" Danny DeVitto: "Is there any other way?"
carhill Posted September 17, 2009 Posted September 17, 2009 LOL, I didn't want to plagarize. My stbx hated and would never watch that movie. Now I know why. Avoidance of strong emotion.
Jersey Shortie Posted September 17, 2009 Posted September 17, 2009 Same with woman. They walk around insecure, suspicious and angry. They expect a man to come along and fix their pissy, off putting attitude. They point the finger at porn, men and other women, anything to blame someone, or something other than themselves. I thought you mistyped "pissy" at first. Naaaah. I can't agree with this having been exposed to cultures IN other countries - my experience doesn't match up with this. What is this based on? Based on my own experience with other cultures. Gender issues aren't geographically dependent. How we go about treating the gender issues might be but not the inherent male/female issues themselves. And the core of the struggle is a feeling of disrespect for both sides.
loveslife Posted September 17, 2009 Posted September 17, 2009 People who engage in gender battling / belittling clearly have something to prove due to insecurity with self. I agree. But I think this type of thing is widespread. It's not just between the sexes. For instance, if you look at this forum you will see people battling and belittling every day, it seems. My feeling is that the majority of these people feel unhappy in their lives and they do so as a way to feel "bigger." It's cyber-bullying and it's considered kind of weak. But people spend hours on end trying to prove their point to complete strangers. If you're secure within yourself none of that is necessary. Same with the battle between the sexes. People are different. Gender is just one (usually) obvious way to see differences. So, it becomes a target for people who are unhappy.
Island Girl Posted September 17, 2009 Posted September 17, 2009 Based on my own experience with other cultures. Gender issues aren't geographically dependent. I have a qualifying question for you. Are these experiences based on cultural differences observed IN other countries?
Jersey Shortie Posted September 17, 2009 Posted September 17, 2009 You didn't need to qualify. I knew what you meant previously and yes they are.
Island Girl Posted September 17, 2009 Posted September 17, 2009 You didn't need to qualify. I knew what you meant previously and yes they are. I asked for my own understanding because I couldn't tell from your post. That said, my experience is vastly different depending upon country/culture.
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