Sam Spade Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 Right, which is equally as bad as being unable accept that addicts and fantasists also couple up, which is what you would do if you're rejecting the human component of the world. If you're going to bring it down to an economic argument about supply and demand you should know that markets don't always act rationally. Yes, just like so many people believe that the price of their home "always goes up", many people believe that "there is someone great out there, just for me, probably just around the corner". In the latter, oftn times this is a classic case of great being an enemy of the good. More generally, the expectations of love and relationships in this country have escalated ridiculously, it's not even funny anymore. Just like the 4,000 sq foot house escalated into something lika a "birtright", so did the "superintelligent, supermodel spouse" .
espec10001 Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 Yes, just like so many people believe that the price of their home "always goes up", many people believe that "there is someone great out there, just for me, probably just around the corner". In the latter, oftn times this is a classic case of great being an enemy of the good. More generally, the expectations of love and relationships in this country have escalated ridiculously, it's not even funny anymore. Just like the 4,000 sq foot house escalated into something lika a "birtright", so did the "superintelligent, supermodel spouse" . You know I heard advice like this once before, in the bathroom as I was taking a s***.
Taramere Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 Okay after readings ALL the posts in this thread I've come to a conclusion: everyone is delusional about how people really think in the real world. Very possibly true.... really attractive guys, have a mind like the guy who wrote the book "I Hope They Serve Beer In Hell", Why must his male fans persist in projecting their sucking-the-dick-of-Tucker-Max desires onto every woman in existence? Wasn't that book written for entertainment purposes, rather than being intended as a serious exploration of the writer's psyche?
MissJoness Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 I think men have delusions of grandeur more than anything. I'm in college and I'm surrounded by plenty of young guys, mostly who are not that attractive, rating girls and thinking they deserve the creme of the crop in terms of looks. Men do this moreso than women and it's very, very annoying. I hate sitting next to two ugly dudes, rating who is the hottest girl in the room or in the whole university. It must give them a false sense of power
northstar1 Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 I think men have delusions of grandeur more than anything. I'm in college and I'm surrounded by plenty of young guys, mostly who are not that attractive, rating girls and thinking they deserve the creme of the crop in terms of looks. Men do this moreso than women and it's very, very annoying. I hate sitting next to two ugly dudes, rating who is the hottest girl in the room or in the whole university. It must give them a false sense of power And you don't have girlfriends who do the same regarding guys? Come on now.
MissJoness Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 And you don't have girlfriends who do the same regarding guys? Come on now. Not to the same extent. Men seem to do it moreso than women from my experience.
northstar1 Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 Not to the same extent. Men seem to do it moreso than women from my experience. Fair enough from your perspective. But we are talking about 20 year old guys in college, fueled by immaturity and testosterone and trying to fit in and look 'cool'. It's a phase which passes for most when they actually grow up.
MissJoness Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 Fair enough from your perspective. But we are talking about 20 year old guys in college, fueled by immaturity and testosterone and trying to fit in and look 'cool'. It's a phase which passes for most when they actually grow up. I absolutely loathe when guys are in that stage. You're intolerable for me. I hate being in their presence. There were some that sat next to me in one of my lectures; I had to move across the room to get away from them. I like men when they get much older and more mature.
BlueHarvest Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 Hey this isn't Nazi Germany, no one is denying anyone anything. We're just having a discussion over when it's not wise if someone wants to aim high but not willing to do anything about it. Godwin's Law, hard at work here. For those unfamiliar with it... There are many corollaries to Godwin's law, some considered more canonical (by being adopted by Godwin himself) than others. For example, there is a tradition in many newsgroups and other Internet discussion forums that once such a comparison is made, the thread is finished and whoever mentioned the Nazis has automatically "lost" whatever debate was in progress. This principle itself is frequently referred to as Godwin's Law. It is considered poor form to raise such a comparison arbitrarily with the motive of ending the thread. I also don't think it's fair that you didn't mention that you are essentially using these forums as a test basis for your "self-help" book. What exactly qualifies *you* to write a self-help book? The name of the book escapes me, but it was one of those books that essentially follows the "Sex and the City" guidelines. (Which are appalling). The point is, the author(s) were a Columnist for a paper (with no background in pscyhology or relationship counseling), and a stay at home mother. I could seriously turn this around on the OP and ask...why do you feel entitled to give the world your opinion in print? Furthermore, the *ONLY* reason people try to get books printed is to make money. One might say that the best advice (ironically) is free, because it is free of implications of only catering to the masses (via publishing), in order to earn money. This thread is such a faux pas it's not even funny. lol. The mum situation doesn't bother me, I couldn't care less. I make posts, especially contorversial ones to spark off intellectual debates. Also, not a good way to go about gathering information. You look more like a "forum troll" and less like a valid poster who is there to discern facts from a topic. Benford's law of controversy, as expressed by science-fiction author Gregory Benford in 1980, states: "Passion is inversely proportional to the amount of real (true) information available." In other words, the more untruths the more controversy there is, and the more truths the less controversy there is. A controversy is usually the result of either ignorance (lack of sufficient true information), misinformation, misunderstandings, half-truths, distortions, bias or prejudice, deliberate lies or fabrications (disinformation), opposed underlying motives or purposes (sometimes masked or hidden), or a combination of these factors. You treat alot of your own knowledge as axiom, when it is not.
tigressA Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 Fair enough from your perspective. But we are talking about 20 year old guys in college, fueled by immaturity and testosterone and trying to fit in and look 'cool'. It's a phase which passes for most when they actually grow up. I knew this group of guys who would routinely rate girls while hanging out in the student cafe. And none of the guys were, as far as appearances at least, even remotely close to any of the girls they were rating. I said to them once, "Hmm, one of these days I'm going to get my friends over here and we'll rate all of you; how about that?" One of the guys said, "Yeah, yeah, whatever...(muttered) bi*ch." Totally immature. Disgusting, really. One time they even cut out little holes in newspaper pages and wore sunglasses while doing it, and then they eventually developed a "code", talking in sports terms so that they couldn't get caught at it. Pervs.
theBrokenMuse Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 Furthermore, the *ONLY* reason people try to get books printed is to make money. That's simply not true. Otherwise self-published e-books that are free would not exist and yet, they do.
Taramere Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 One time they even cut out little holes in newspaper pages and wore sunglasses while doing it, It sounds like the next best thing to Internet anonymity. Were they pretending to read the newspapers, or did they have the sheets pasted onto their faces like those impregnated cloth beauty masques you get?
northstar1 Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 I knew this group of guys who would routinely rate girls while hanging out in the student cafe. And none of the guys were, as far as appearances at least, even remotely close to any of the girls they were rating. I said to them once, "Hmm, one of these days I'm going to get my friends over here and we'll rate all of you; how about that?" One of the guys said, "Yeah, yeah, whatever...(muttered) bi*ch." Totally immature. Disgusting, really. One time they even cut out little holes in newspaper pages and wore sunglasses while doing it, and then they eventually developed a "code", talking in sports terms so that they couldn't get caught at it. Pervs. Absolutely, it's immature. It's really just stupid high school behaviours that carry over to college. Guys wanting to look cool to their friends. Usually even worse if they are in a frat. It's herd mentality. I'm sure I was guilty of being an idiot when I was 20 as well. Normally, most guys grow out of it by the end of college. However, it goes both ways. College age girls can be equally fickle, vapid and immature as well. They just tend to be less obvious in behaviour. It's all part of people going through phases in life.
Author Hkizzle Posted September 4, 2009 Author Posted September 4, 2009 So, what I am getting from this thread is that if someone doesn't place their values in human beings traits in the same manner as the general population of their society does, that makes one delusional? Really? . No, it's the other way round. Whilst people are spoon fed idealistic perceptions, people still act out their selfish desires. Human beings are selfish creatures period and only some of us are good because we learn to be good.
Author Hkizzle Posted September 4, 2009 Author Posted September 4, 2009 I think men have delusions of grandeur more than anything. I'm in college and I'm surrounded by plenty of young guys, mostly who are not that attractive, rating girls and thinking they deserve the creme of the crop in terms of looks. Men do this moreso than women and it's very, very annoying. I hate sitting next to two ugly dudes, rating who is the hottest girl in the room or in the whole university. It must give them a false sense of power You obviously didn't read the OP properly which clearly included men in the same delusion.
Author Hkizzle Posted September 4, 2009 Author Posted September 4, 2009 A controversy is usually the result of either ignorance (lack of sufficient true information), misinformation, misunderstandings, half-truths, distortions, bias or prejudice, deliberate lies or fabrications (disinformation), opposed underlying motives or purposes (sometimes masked or hidden), or a combination of these factors. Absolutely and hence why I explore how the average individual has misinformation or mistunderatanding and come to their current conculsion. Usually as a result of perceiving the human race in a more idealistic image than it really is.
BlueHarvest Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 That's simply not true. Otherwise self-published e-books that are free would not exist and yet, they do. Yet it's free, meaning they are reaching out to a target audience through the nature of free information. If they were reaching out to an audience they had to sell to, it would be completely different. It still doesn't disseminate my point, which is that books, published for money, have only one reason they are published...to MAKE money. Don't know why you are trying to split hairs here. Absolutely and hence why I explore how the average individual has misinformation or mistunderatanding and come to their current conculsion. Usually as a result of perceiving the human race in a more idealistic image than it really is. Do you just pick big words( to you) , throw them into a sentance and hope that it makes you look like you know what you are talking about? You ignored 90% of the point I was making, took the 10% that you didn't ignore and pretty much regurgitated what I said and threw in a few other words in the hopes that I would feel cowed by your "obviously superior" intellect? The average individual having or not having misinformation is besides the point. My point was that controversies (specifically your indulgence into these forums with your own controversies) are not good. They are a RESULT, not a CAUSE of misinformation. And many people view themselves or their lovers/close friends more idealistically then they should. It's called bias, it's in everyone, including you. For example: Your bias towards not liking "fat people". It's readily apparant, and many people have called you out on it. You know what the result is? Denial. You deny it, and therefore deny you have a bias. By denying you have a bias, you are pretty much just lieing...Everyone has a bias.
theBrokenMuse Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 No, it's the other way round. Whilst people are spoon fed idealistic perceptions, people still act out their selfish desires. Human beings are selfish creatures period and only some of us are good because we learn to be good. Idealistic perceptions? This has nothing to do with my post at all. You presented societal values as though they were objective rather than subjective and that those who didn't adhere to them were lazy and delusional. This is utter nonsense. I don't prescribe to the notion that one should automatically categorize someone as better than others merely because they happen to possess different physical features. In fact, I find the whole thing rather absurd as it says nothing about that person's actual merits - It's concerning yourself with the wrapping paper rather than the present and apparently, it's beyond my ability to wrap my head around it. I've tried but I just can't understand why on Earth the emphasis would be placed on something that is ultimately little more than fluff to me. Even if we are still little more than self-aware apes it strikes me as quite sad that we haven't become a little more enlightened than this as a whole by now.
theBrokenMuse Posted September 4, 2009 Posted September 4, 2009 Yet it's free, meaning they are reaching out to a target audience through the nature of free information. If they were reaching out to an audience they had to sell to, it would be completely different. It still doesn't disseminate my point, which is that books, published for money, have only one reason they are published...to MAKE money. Don't know why you are trying to split hairs here. Because you weren't distinguishing between the reasons that authors want books published and why publishers publish books.
Author Hkizzle Posted September 4, 2009 Author Posted September 4, 2009 Do you just pick big words( to you) , throw them into a sentance and hope that it makes you look like you know what you are talking about? You ignored 90% of the point I was making, took the 10% that you didn't ignore and pretty much regurgitated what I said and threw in a few other words in the hopes that I would feel cowed by your "obviously superior" intellect? The average individual having or not having misinformation is besides the point. My point was that controversies (specifically your indulgence into these forums with your own controversies) are not good. They are a RESULT, not a CAUSE of misinformation. And many people view themselves or their lovers/close friends more idealistically then they should. It's called bias, it's in everyone, including you. For example: Your bias towards not liking "fat people". It's readily apparant, and many people have called you out on it. You know what the result is? Denial. You deny it, and therefore deny you have a bias. By denying you have a bias, you are pretty much just lieing...Everyone has a bias. lol, wtf? The big words came from your original post...... You friggin blind? Go look back at your original post, you used the same words. So many people live in la la land.
tigressA Posted September 5, 2009 Posted September 5, 2009 It sounds like the next best thing to Internet anonymity. Were they pretending to read the newspapers, or did they have the sheets pasted onto their faces like those impregnated cloth beauty masques you get? Yeah, they were pretending to read the papers. Actually, one of these guys was my now ex-boyfriend; this was his main group of friends. I should've seen that as a red flag, but alas...he was sweet to me, but eventually (a year and nine months later) I realized he wasn't going to grow up anytime soon.
BlueHarvest Posted September 5, 2009 Posted September 5, 2009 I think every time someone posts an opinion that we disagree with, we should attack them personally. I'm not attacking him personally, the guy wont' answer the question, dodges it, then tries to turn it around on me and say I'm the one in la-la land? Sorry I'm not gonna play that way. I'm gonna call him out on it. If he wants "controversial" discussions to spark intellectual debate he should be well aware of how this works, in this case he shouldn't use psuedo-tongue-in-cheek topics, then when someone calls him out on it, try to reverse it on them to make the other person look like the bad guy. I've seen enough of it to know when someone is doing it. In layman's terms it's "bull****ting". That's exactly what he's doing. Part of the reason I won't feed directly into the topic and I'm trying to get him to answer my question is because, frankly, I'm not going to feed into his "research" and allow another hack to put out their own version of a self-help book that does nothing but screw up perceptions of people everywhere as they indulge into his biased viewpoint of thinking that people have a limited range of self-worth and should "settle" for someone within their range. If you see that viewpoint of his, you'll see that it puts a limit on emotions in relationships. You know Kevin James (The rather hefty comedian...) he is married to Steffiana De La Cruz. She's a model. He's fat and a comedian...she's a model. You think kevin james was thinking..."Oh I'm fat, therefore I should settle for someone who's also fat" ? No. But that's exactly what Hkizzle is trying to tout as mantra. Sickening.
Author Hkizzle Posted September 5, 2009 Author Posted September 5, 2009 You're attracking me personally, you blind monkey. The funny thing is you think you're smart and you can't even see that you're getting all worked up. Delusions, sigh.......
Author Hkizzle Posted September 5, 2009 Author Posted September 5, 2009 You know Kevin James (The rather hefty comedian...) he is married to Steffiana De La Cruz. She's a model. He's fat and a comedian...she's a model. You think kevin james was thinking..."Oh I'm fat, therefore I should settle for someone who's also fat" ? No. But that's exactly what Hkizzle is trying to tout as mantra. Sickening. Stupid people tend to have selective reading abilities. If you read back in this thread when a girl told me she dated a guy she normally wouldn't have dated because he was funny, I said exactly! He was funny and had a sense of humor and therefore had something to offer. A sense of humor is probably the second highest rated thing that women want in a man. People who have nothing to offer however, other than drivel like yourself are going to find it tough.........
BlueHarvest Posted September 5, 2009 Posted September 5, 2009 You're attracking me personally, you blind monkey. The funny thing is you think you're smart and you can't even see that you're getting all worked up. Delusions, sigh....... Aww how cute, it's like looking in the a cage and watching the animal mimic you...funny thing is I walk away from the cage laughing while the animal inside get's pissed that I can walk away Ignorance, sigh... Stupid people tend to have selective reading abilities. If you read back in this thread when a girl told me she dated a guy she normally wouldn't have dated because he was funny, I said exactly! He was funny and had a sense of humor and therefore had something to offer. A sense of humor is probably the second highest rated thing that women want in a man. People who have nothing to offer however, other than drivel like yourself are going to find it tough......... So in this sentance your saying that I have something to offer? Based on the grammatical structure of the sentrance that's exactly what it implies. Here, I'll translate for you into simple english. People who have nothing to offer (People without social acquaintances or the ability to interact with *anyone*) (independent clause) however, (conjunctive adverb) other then drivel like yourself (anyone with a lack of intelligence *except* me) (dependent clause) are going to find it tough (will have trouble succeeding.)(independent clause) Any way you form that sentance it doesn't make sense because you have incorrectly tried to insult me by (what I'm assuming) was a very bad attempt at saying this... "People who have nothing to offer, like yourself, are going to find it tough." See that sentance makes sense. But your sentance does not. It states that you think that everyone who is childishly foolish, other than me, will have it tough. Implying that you feel that my unique set of abilities, and charateristics will enable me to succeed. For that I humbly accept your unfounded turn-about of attitude regarding my future. If this was your intent, then I truly thank you. However, as I guessed it was just you incorrectly abusing the english language yet again, you will turn around and say it wasn't your intention. But by doing so you will further prove my point about your inability to correctly utilize the english language. And you want to write a book? LOL...that's all I have to say to that. Thanks for brightening up my night Hkizzle.
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