Hkizzle Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 it's still a valid estimate if the error is random--> It works the other way around too - you can have "normal" BMI and still have unhealthy amount of fat on you. Actually, I'm considered within my normal weught with BMI of 24, however, I'm at least 4-5 pounds overweight judging from my waist (it somehow balooned to 34-35 and there is something to hold onto :eek:) So, at the aggregate overweight athletes and underweight fatties are likely to cancel each other out. Sam, I'll have to go with VET semi-right on this one even though he's usually brain dead (careful, he might stalk you too). But he's right, a lot of people are over their normal range in BMI and wouldn't be considered fat. For example, I'm in the obese range and I play rugby for a local club, I have a lot of lean muscle mass. I look like a boucner and if you saw me you wouldn't think I'm fat. Fat % is a better indicator of whether someone is fat. Although I think a lot of Americans won't do too well on that test either.
Hkizzle Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Sam, so ya, I just put my weight and height into the BMI calculator. I'm 5"11, 220 lbs. and I'm slightly in the obese range. By this measure quite a few of the guys on my rugby team would be obese too, and a lot would be overweight.
Author OpenGL Posted September 1, 2009 Author Posted September 1, 2009 BMI is a so-so indicator, probably decent for only 80% of people. With that said, the vast majority of people are still fat, BMI issues aside. For anybody who thinks I'm fat or even overweight myself. I have a BMI of 22.5 and I am ripped. Sadly I still think I might have to settle for a fattie.
stillafool Posted September 2, 2009 Posted September 2, 2009 Any other guys, who for the most part have no game but are otherwise normal (average looks, good career, nice apartment, not in debt, etc), end up with just settling for a fattie? I'm at the point of considering it but I don't know if I can go through with it since I find fatties so unattractive. I've tried learning game but it hasn't been working for me, so I don't really know of another way out. I don't want to turn into the next George Sodini, so settling for a fattie is increasing looking like something I should do. What do you guys think? Do any of you guys have any experience on what settling for a fattie is like? No don't settle for what you hate!!!!! Hold out for a hot girl!
butcher's hook Posted September 2, 2009 Posted September 2, 2009 never settle for less than you feel you are worth. The problem with that is that what some peope feel they are worth and what they are actually worth is very different. Delusion is rampant these days and with this comes a lot of unhappiness and general feelings of displacement. Regardless, you are still hot! I agree with the ladies. Plus you are Scottish, yum! And cool signature.
butcher's hook Posted September 2, 2009 Posted September 2, 2009 No don't settle for what you hate!!!!! Hold out for a hot girl! I agree, hold out. It's only time...a lot of it mind you...:laugh:
MadDriver Posted September 2, 2009 Posted September 2, 2009 I don't want to turn into the next George Sodini, so settling for a fattie is increasing looking like something I should do. Sordini was uncreative an unimaginative. Pull a Garrido instead: get a young fattie with a pretty face and lock her up. Feed her only 1000 calories a day for 3 months. After she gets out, give her a make-over (after the delousing shower of course). Voila! A hottie!
BobSacamento Posted September 2, 2009 Posted September 2, 2009 If you settle you'd only be an enabler.
Author OpenGL Posted September 2, 2009 Author Posted September 2, 2009 Most of the replies in this thread are dumb so I won't bother addressing them. However. Quite a few people are assuming that I was trying to hold out for a hottie. Maybe I should of make it clear that what I meant is I'm thinking about settling for a fattie instead of a average girl, not a hottie. Not sure why a lot of people assumed that I went from hottie to fattie instead of average to fattie.
loveslife Posted September 2, 2009 Posted September 2, 2009 Quite a few people are assuming that I was trying to hold out for a hottie. Maybe I should of make it clear that what I meant is I'm thinking about settling for a fattie instead of a average girl, not a hottie. Not sure why a lot of people assumed that I went from hottie to fattie instead of average to fattie. That makes a huge difference. Sorry, an average difference.
burning 4 revenge Posted September 2, 2009 Posted September 2, 2009 I agree OP... struggling to find a hot girl are we? With the first impression you've made on here, I'd have a very good guess at why you're single. Oh sure, rally around Scottish pretty boy
SoulSearch_CO Posted September 2, 2009 Posted September 2, 2009 my buddy's old lady (wife) probably weighed 150 lbs when they were dating then she lost like 30 lbs just for the wedding. now after 9 years of marriage she's probably 250+ lbs. and they don't have any kids Oh, my. At that rate, they won't end up with any. There should be prenups that allow divorce for weight gain over 100 lbs. Why would you need a prenup? People divorce over that without the prenup. I agree with you that people probably do NOT enjoy being obese. HOWEVER, I will have to disagree that people can just up and jump on the treadmill when they are seriously depressed. Sometimes merely turning air into oxygen is about all they can handle. And for SOME people, finding yourself in a shi--y marriage can be a harsh, depressing reality. Hellz, yeah. I gained more in my x-marriage than I'd like to admit. It makes me sick thinking about it. But it was my protection and it's all gone plus the 170 useless pounds that were my XH. Sadly I still think I might have to settle for a fattie. OpenGL - what do you consider "a fattie?" Are you going by BMI strictly, or how clothes look? I'm 9 lbs overweight and headed down on the scale. I'm wondering if I should stop so I can net me a prize such as yourself. Sordini was uncreative an unimaginative. Pull a Garrido instead: get a young fattie with a pretty face and lock her up. Feed her only 1000 calories a day for 3 months. After she gets out, give her a make-over (after the delousing shower of course). Voila! A hottie! :eek: Oh, my. Not a bad idea, though. Just be careful when you let her out. At that few of calories, if she starts eating normal again, she'll gain back at light-speed. If you settle you'd only be an enabler. Oh...yeah. That's true.
Author OpenGL Posted September 2, 2009 Author Posted September 2, 2009 OpenGL - what do you consider "a fattie?" Are you going by BMI strictly, or how clothes look? I'm 9 lbs overweight and headed down on the scale. I'm wondering if I should stop so I can net me a prize such as yourself. I don't go by BMI at all. You can tell a fattie by just the way they look. 9lb overweight isn't a fattie. It could be thick, or even fit for that matter if your body fat percentage is low. You don't enter the "fattie" range until you're about 25lb overweight. I think thats reasonable.
SoulSearch_CO Posted September 2, 2009 Posted September 2, 2009 Ah. So you're going for the obese chicks. Gotcha. Well, I refuse to go that direction on the scale, so I guess that counts me out. And at this point, I'm going to have to go with "fit" considering how much I work out...but have areas I'm definitely targeting. Man. Even I'D have a hard time getting it on with "obese" and I don't have a low BMI. My xbf was bordering on obese at times and it killed my mood. Yay! I'm shallow. LOL So do you think you'll be able to stifle your gag reflex long enough to get your rocks off, GL?
Author OpenGL Posted September 2, 2009 Author Posted September 2, 2009 Ah. So you're going for the obese chicks. Gotcha. Well, I refuse to go that direction on the scale, so I guess that counts me out. And at this point, I'm going to have to go with "fit" considering how much I work out...but have areas I'm definitely targeting. Man. Even I'D have a hard time getting it on with "obese" and I don't have a low BMI. My xbf was bordering on obese at times and it killed my mood. Yay! I'm shallow. LOL So do you think you'll be able to stifle your gag reflex long enough to get your rocks off, GL? Well, not obese, but the higher end of being fat, near obesity. When I say settle for a fattie, I was talking about settling for a around 25-35lb overweight, but when you're talking about 50lb+ overweight, fck that I wouldn't even be able to get it up.
loveslife Posted September 2, 2009 Posted September 2, 2009 Well, not obese, but the higher end of being fat, near obesity. When I say settle for a fattie, I was talking about settling for a around 25-35lb overweight, but when you're talking about 50lb+ overweight, fck that I wouldn't even be able to get it up. If I couldn't even pull a fattie and my only option was an obese chick, you can be sure as hell I'd be pulling a Sodini. See, if we're being totally honest here, women (and men) know when they're being settled for in a relationship. So, what you need is someone with low self-esteem who doesn't believe that she deserves more. Is that what you want? Someone who is 25-35 lbs overweight is not definitely going to be lacking in self-esteem.
Author OpenGL Posted September 2, 2009 Author Posted September 2, 2009 See, if we're being totally honest here, women (and men) know when they're being settled for in a relationship. So, what you need is someone with low self-esteem who doesn't believe that she deserves more. Is that what you want? Of course that's not what I want, I rather have an average looking girl with high self-esteem that knows I'm not settling. I'd be perfectly happy with an average looking girl. For whatever reason however, this isn't an option. Someone who is 25-35 lbs overweight is not definitely going to be lacking in self-esteem. Well if this ends up being true, I'm pretty much fcked and my only option will be to pull a Sodini. I apologize to my victims in advance.
Phateless Posted September 2, 2009 Posted September 2, 2009 Any other guys, who for the most part have no game but are otherwise normal (average looks, good career, nice apartment, not in debt, etc), end up with just settling for a fattie? I'm at the point of considering it but I don't know if I can go through with it since I find fatties so unattractive. I've tried learning game but it hasn't been working for me, so I don't really know of another way out. I don't want to turn into the next George Sodini, so settling for a fattie is increasing looking like something I should do. What do you guys think? Do any of you guys have any experience on what settling for a fattie is like? Do you have any female friends who could guide you with brutal honesty? You must be doing SOMETHING wrong, even if what you're doing wrong is not trying hard enough or OFTEN enough. One of my best friends is good looking, intelligent, successful, nice place to live, 100% eligible and most girls think he's a catch. He just refuses to put any effort into finding someone. He's eternally frustrated by women and being alone. He hates it, yet he does NOTHING. His main problem is he won't take ANY risks to meet a girl. He's so afraid of rejection that he never tries. I noticed a cute waitress flirting with him and he still refused to even ask for her phone number. He even told me he liked her. You have nobody to blame for this but yourself. Get out there and TRY. Every failure brings you closer to success.
vanilla87 Posted September 2, 2009 Posted September 2, 2009 There should be prenups that allow divorce for weight gain over 100 lbs. Yes there should for the women that can't get back to an ideal weight that they PROMISED they would be after they have a baby. That I think should be a good reason. Men and women hate when their spouses change physically, more so men, but still. I know that if he is 50 and put on 50lbs, thats one thing, I have no problem. I tend to like guys 5'10" or taller anyway, the fat spreads out then. ANYWAY, for me, I'm lucky. I have my dad's metabolism and he has his father metabolism. Which means when I hit 50, even after I have a kid, I work out very little and eat healthy, I'll still be smaller then half the women in this country. My aunt is 5'8" and weighs around 140-145lbs. She had three kids and they are all almost 30. Also my BMI is 5'5", 120lbs. I'm actually almost nearing the unhealthy side of the scale for the BMI..... BUT thats only due to the fact that I have a high metabolism, but I'm 22. That usually starts to stop working for women when they hit 21, for men its around 23-24. You kill it more by drinking, binge eating, not exercising, eating one huge meal and no breakfast, or just running on nothing but fatty foods. You can actually loose weight by eating 6 small meals a deal. Healthy ones at that. Doesn't have to be straight up salad and a carrot for lunch. People don't realize that eating an apple, granny smiths, 15-20 minutes before a meal, this is true facts they just did research on this, that you actually are more likely to eat less of your meal you were going to have. Oh and when I mean six small meals, I mean breakfast, lunch, dinner, then a small snack inbetween each meal and a small dessert, that equals out to six small meals a day. Thats what the stars do or forced when they work with their personal trainers. Anyway, I can say that I'm actually considered to be above average in ideal weight for my age. I know it sounds stuck up, but to be honest I am and have been told since I was 15 that I'm beautiful, hot, gorgeous, sexy, fine, etc... thats cause I keep myself in shape, eat right, and make sure to take care of myself when I get sick. Its about motivation. If you don't have the motivation to be in good health, you never will be in good health. No one can help you accomplish what you want expect you. I can say on a personal note that I' very turn off but over weight people. When I say OVERWEIGHT I mean people that tip the scale of 40-50+ pounds in their weight. Like a friend of mine, she is about 5ft tall. She comes in around 125lbs. She is not over weight. Its water weight from the fact of being stressed, getting sick too frequently, and not getting enough sleep. This in fact cause her to retain excess fluid of body fat and water weight, which is almost got that same feeling like you have liquid fat in you. Anyway, she has been working out. Gets up to go jogging when she can and trying to eat right, she tries but when you work so hard you don't have time to make an actual healthy meal. Anyway, guys have weird standards and unrealistic ones at that for women. i mean if she has DNA in her that makes her gain weight easier then some, then you can't do anything about it. But if she is lazy and what not, then you have a right to be mad, unless she has a baby that was born with in the last year to 15-18 months, then don't be mad that she isn't perfect again. MOst women take about up to a year to loose the baby weight before they can be normal looking again anyway. My point is if she is being nieve about the fact that you won't break up with her because of her weight, then a lot of women have it coming to them down the road. Guys want a healthy girl that takes care of her body and likes looking sexy, not sitting on the couch over weight, eating pizza and having her 3rd-5th slice for that matter. When your preggo girls, then thats the exception to the rule...
alphamale Posted September 2, 2009 Posted September 2, 2009 smart girls who are married to rich/powerful men always stay skinny
missdependant Posted September 2, 2009 Posted September 2, 2009 Maybe you should just get a plant. LOL I agree
Author OpenGL Posted September 3, 2009 Author Posted September 3, 2009 You know.... I don't shock easily, and in fact what I am about to say I have never had the urge to say on this public forum, and I've seen a lot of crazy posts/comments come and go. But I find your posts incredibly offensive. Not only are they offensive, your attempt at "joking" or sarcasm as you demonstrated in that last Sodini comment can only appeal to equally disturbed individuals. NO ONE deserves to die or to be killed because some tormented pathetic soul chooses to have a lame existence and cannot handle other's happiness. It's really quite pathetic of you to keep making “jokey” references to that murderer and the massacre he caused. Have you no respect for people at all? Get some help with your issues and save yourself, stop blaming the world for your inadequacies no one owes you anything, YOU owe yourself a good life. Find your good life and live it, will you?. Stop with the pity party and or in the least stop making heinous remarks veiled as jokes, they are neither funny nor amusing. I wasn't joking and I agree no one deserves to be killed. However, right now I am saying that with a sane mind. By the time Sodini pulled the trigger he already went insane. What kept from from pulling the trigger long before then was although was depressed and defeated, he still has a slight bit of sanity left. The thing you have to understand how guys like Sodini and myself (and a lot of other lonely guys out there) is that altough we are not violent people (while sane), we develop an indifference to people and life in general. We start to value other peoples lifes less and less until the point where we are so detached from the world we just don't give a damn. This is a huge and growing problem in the dating community and not many people like to acknowlege it, especially women. I can go into the problems further but thats a topic for another thread. I myself have tried to get help, in multiple ways (you can even search my name and find threads about me going to theraphy). Nothing has worked for me. What do you suggest people like me and Sodini do after we have tried everything? Sodini lived the life of solitude after his efforts failed and it drove him to mass murder. Solitude is also driving me to that point.
Author OpenGL Posted September 3, 2009 Author Posted September 3, 2009 Do you have any female friends who could guide you with brutal honesty? You must be doing SOMETHING wrong, even if what you're doing wrong is not trying hard enough or OFTEN enough. One of my best friends is good looking, intelligent, successful, nice place to live, 100% eligible and most girls think he's a catch. He just refuses to put any effort into finding someone. He's eternally frustrated by women and being alone. He hates it, yet he does NOTHING. His main problem is he won't take ANY risks to meet a girl. He's so afraid of rejection that he never tries. I noticed a cute waitress flirting with him and he still refused to even ask for her phone number. He even told me he liked her. You have nobody to blame for this but yourself. Get out there and TRY. Every failure brings you closer to success. I have some friends that have given me brutal honesty, so have relatives. They can't really come up with anything that is stopping me from being successful. They really can't and trust me they have tried. I've had my (married) friend come out to the bars and clubs with me a quite a few times in order to see what was wrong with my pickup. He saw me encounter the stuck up bitches, the flakes, the dykes, the attention whores, etc etc. Lots of times at the end of the night he just says something along the lines of "yeah man, you're right, I'm sorry you have to deal with this shiit and I'm glad I'm married"
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