Sam Spade Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Where do you get these "statistics" from. I would be happy for you to site some sources. Otherwise I think there is a gross manipulation going on here. And while current culture dictates a certain ideal weight more often for women then it does for men, it doesn't mean that that is healthy either. Alot of the standards for women's body are pretty unrealistic. Women in magazines mostly starve themselves and work overtime to look like that and use photoshop to the max. Beyonnce has love handles I hate to tell you. Women with real lives, don't have the time to be show pieces just so men can feel proud of themselves for banging somethign that doesn't eat. While I do think that there is an obecity epidemic. I think our currently cultural standards of women's bodies, fat AND skinny, are grossly misrepersented and both are too far on each side. Some women that are "pudgy" are quite healthy. Others not. Some women that are skinny can be healthy or not. And I see more fat men then I do women to be honest. The Obesity Epidemic in the United States—Gender, Age, Socioeconomic, Racial/Ethnic, and Geographic Characteristics: A Systematic Review and Meta-Regression Analysis Youfa Wang and May A. Beydoun, Epidemologic Reviews, 2007 January I'm not fan of the excessively thin current standard either. But that's irrelevant - most people (60+% of the population) are overweight, and not per 'hollywood' guidelines, these are medical guidelines... Also, one should consider that if most of us are fat, then why is it that the preferred body type is slim? Really, in many cases slim may look excessive - but only against the backdrop of overweight epidemics
Sam Spade Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Why is it that men become so self righteous on this topic yet are probably packing a little weight themselves. Because even fat girls get some attention, so they see no incentive to slim down, while chubby guys need to work thrice as hard at it . I've been up to 20 pounds overweight, until reaching the point of getting disgusted with myself and then losing it all. I personally have hard time believing that someone can be genuinely happy with themselves with a solid spare tire around their waist.
Isolde Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 The study you're citing defined overweight using the much-maligned body mass index, and its findings (in the way you're attempting to use them) are irrelevant. For fun, take a walk on down to http://www.maa.org/devlin/devlin_05_09.html The "obesity epidemic" is fallacious at best, and an outright lie at worst. It varies widely by region and even from one city to another.
alphamale Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Women especially tend to blow up like balloons after the wedding. my buddy's old lady (wife) probably weighed 150 lbs when they were dating then she lost like 30 lbs just for the wedding. now after 9 years of marriage she's probably 250+ lbs. and they don't have any kids
Sam Spade Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 The study you're citing defined overweight using the much-maligned body mass index, and its findings (in the way you're attempting to use them) are irrelevant. For fun, take a walk on down to http://www.maa.org/devlin/devlin_05_09.html The "obesity epidemic" is fallacious at best, and an outright lie at worst.\ On average, BMI is a decent proxy. This guy has a BMI of 25.1 ; big deal; At the aggregate, how many people with BMI of over 25 are thriatletes? What about the 30+% obese (BMI over 30...)?
Sam Spade Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 my buddy's old lady (wife) probably weighed 150 lbs when they were dating then she lost like 30 lbs just for the wedding. now after 9 years of marriage she's probably 250+ lbs. and they don't have any kids Even if she had kids, that's no excuse to get that fat either; Healthy weight gain during pregnancy is up to ~40 lbs, and, shocking, most of it is not supposed to stay there after birth..
Jersey Shortie Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 64% of Americans are considered overweight or obese (26% of them are considered obese). If the current trend continues, 74% of Americans will be overweight or obese by 2015, with 41% obese. That isn't some standards coming from Allure or Cosmo. Those are the standards from the Metropolitan Weight tables, the US Army, the North American Assoc for the Study of Obesity or the US Center for Health Statistics (to name a few) I said I fully believe that there is an obecity epidemic. I however think Sam as skewed the stastics on female and male weight problems to showcase whatever argument it is he wants to make at the given moment. I'm not fan of the excessively thin current standard either. But that's irrelevant - most people (60+% of the population) are overweight, and not per 'hollywood' guidelines, these are medical guidelines... Also, one should consider that if most of us are fat, then why is it that the preferred body type is slim? Really, in many cases slim may look excessive - but only against the backdrop of overweight epidemics No, it's not irrelevant. I think men have a misguided ideal about what a real woman's body is. We are caught in a funny level where on what hand we have this ideal of unrealistic thinness with huge boobs and obecity. And it is NOT a matter of slim looking excessive. It's the ideal about how "thin" is thin for people. Not all pudgey women are unhealthy and not all thin women are healthy. Sorry. That is the truth. And very few women fit into the ideals that dominate male media. I think men have a false perception of what women's body should be. Sorry that women are human beings and live past the age of 18 and their bodies change. Men don't like that! my buddy's old lady (wife) probably weighed 150 lbs when they were dating then she lost like 30 lbs just for the wedding. now after 9 years of marriage she's probably 250+ lbs. and they don't have any kids I doubt he turned out to be her prince charming either.
alphamale Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Even if she had kids, that's no excuse to get that fat either; Healthy weight gain during pregnancy is up to ~40 lbs, and, shocking, most of it is not supposed to stay there after birth.. so the lesson here for men is to never date or marry any woman that can beat you to within an inch of your life
fral945 Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 my buddy's old lady (wife) probably weighed 150 lbs when they were dating then she lost like 30 lbs just for the wedding. now after 9 years of marriage she's probably 250+ lbs. and they don't have any kids There should be prenups that allow divorce for weight gain over 100 lbs.
donnamaybe Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Women especially tend to blow up like balloons after the wedding. Yes, when faced with the sudden knowledge that the man a woman married is NOT the man he portrayed himself to be prior to the wedding, some women might turn to food for comfort.
Soul Bear Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 A severe lack of confidence is all it is. An Inability to feel good about yourself, your self worth. Like attracts like, and that goes for your mindset too. never settle for less than you feel you are worth. Mailo order bride? Try Russia
Sam Spade Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Big deal? Your position in this thread is that over 60% of the population is overweight. He, and millions of other people, are part of that 60%, ergo you're wrong. not to get all methodological here, but whatever the issues of validity with the measure, it is highly reliable, and following the trends for the last half century show exponential increase in fatness; so, while there certainly is some error at the margins, it is consistent, as is the evidence that we are getting fatter and fatter over time.
Lucky_One Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 BMI is certainly a well regarded measurement of obesity and overweight. Study after study show that Americans are big, and getting bigger by the day. Sam is exactly right on this. Check out the CDC, or google the NHANES study (a longitudinal study dating from 1976, which actually sent trained personnel to measure and follow the same individuals for years). We're fat, and getting fatter. We are killing ourselves, and helping to kill our economy as well. Why in the world would you even want to argue against that?
donnamaybe Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 It's because instead of playing soccer with a ball on a field with other people, we're playing it with our thumbs and a TV screen.
Sam Spade Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Perhaps you personally cannot be, but to think that your personal beliefs are universal is narcissistic. If it was an ideological belief, it would be narcissistic. But I'm refering to actual unpleasantries i (and probably most overwigh peeps) experienced such as back pain, reduced mobility, poor athletic performance, not fitting into my clothes, looking all bloated etc. Nobady really wants all that. Now I do understand that comfort and comfort food may be valued more highly than all of the above - which is fine. But it still doesn't mean that people are actually happy being fat, they just like the couch and the ice cream more than being in shape .
donnamaybe Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 If it was an ideological belief, it would be narcissistic. But I'm refering to actual unpleasantries i (and probably most overwigh peeps) experienced such as back pain, reduced mobility, poor athletic performance, not fitting into my clothes, looking all bloated etc. Nobady really wants all that. Now I do understand that comfort and comfort food may be valued more highly than all of the above - which is fine. But it still doesn't mean that people are actually happy being fat, they just like the couch and the ice cream more than being in shape . I agree with you that people probably do NOT enjoy being obese. HOWEVER, I will have to disagree that people can just up and jump on the treadmill when they are seriously depressed. Sometimes merely turning air into oxygen is about all they can handle. And for SOME people, finding yourself in a shi--y marriage can be a harsh, depressing reality.
donnamaybe Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Is this BoredPerson's 3rd forum persona? o.O OOOO, good call!
alphamale Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Well I know alphamale is a fat troll of a man, but what about the rest of you idiots? How many of you are considered overweight by the BMI? what do you mean i'm a fat troll of a man? sure i could lose 20 lbs but so could everyone else
Sam Spade Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Naturally. We're living more sedentary lifestyles, but that wasn't what you said. What you said was that: "Only about 30% of the people in this country can be considered non-fat." You're empirically incorrect in this, so at least just say that it's a number you pulled out of your ass based on your own feelings. it's still a valid estimate if the error is random--> It works the other way around too - you can have "normal" BMI and still have unhealthy amount of fat on you. Actually, I'm considered within my normal weught with BMI of 24, however, I'm at least 4-5 pounds overweight judging from my waist (it somehow balooned to 34-35 and there is something to hold onto :eek:) So, at the aggregate overweight athletes and underweight fatties are likely to cancel each other out.
deux ex machina Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Any other guys, who for the most part have no game but are otherwise normal (average looks, good career, nice apartment, not in debt, etc), end up with just settling for a fattie? I'm at the point of considering it but I don't know if I can go through with it since I find fatties so unattractive. I've tried learning game but it hasn't been working for me, so I don't really know of another way out. I don't want to turn into the next George Sodini, so settling for a fattie is increasing looking like something I should do. What do you guys think? Do any of you guys have any experience on what settling for a fattie is like? If you don't find bigger women attractive, settling won't change your mind. How many of you are considered overweight by the BMI? I'm bordering anorexic, according to the BMI. The BMI is essentially useless for determining how much a person should weigh.
Untouchable_Fire Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 What do you guys think? Do any of you guys have any experience on what settling for a fattie is like? Don't knock it till you try it!
Lish Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 you're hot soul bear. I agree OP... struggling to find a hot girl are we? With the first impression you've made on here, I'd have a very good guess at why you're single.
Hkizzle Posted September 1, 2009 Posted September 1, 2009 Lol, is the OP even serious? Having said that anyone that says Americans don't have a weight problem is kidding themselves. Not everyone needs to look like a model (male or female). But Americans are already suffering from an epidemic of hypertension, heart disease and other illnesses. You know someone needs to lose weight if the primary reason for their health problem is their weight.
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