Author Hkizzle Posted August 30, 2009 Author Posted August 30, 2009 Of course it's behavioral, but more pertinently, it's sociological. The only person that even mentioned genetics in this thread was you. Seriously, I think you need to read this: Straw man. No one is arguing that genes are the reason that people are fat, so why are you bringing it up? I don't think you could hit a spot, sore or otherwise, if you tried. You have the argumentation skills of a child, which might be why you seem to display a similar research ability. You bet it's sociological. It's called "I look at everyone around me and since there are so many fat people I will let myself go as well syndrome". Especially when you got guys on the forums preaching that a person shouldn't succumb to any social pressure to lose weight. In other words all the normal drives to compete in a human being is suppressed by an ideal, whilst the normal human tendency for laziness is rewarded.
Vet Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 You bet it's sociological. It's called "I look at everyone around me and since there are so many fat people I will let myself go as well syndrome". Especially when you got guys on the forums preaching that a person shouldn't succumb to any social pressure to lose weight. In other words all the normal drives to compete in a human being is suppressed by an ideal, whilst the normal human tendency for laziness is rewarded. No, it's called, "We live in a society that doesn't require us to hunt and gather for food, doesn't require us to work the earth for food, doesn't require us to do anything except go to an office and sit down all day in front of a computer screen to feed ourselves." Our society's means of entertainment involves a lot of sitting and spectating. Sedentary lifestyles are where the blame lies, not people "letting themselves go". Like most of the topics you like to espouse on, you don't understand sociology as well as you think you do either.
Author Hkizzle Posted August 30, 2009 Author Posted August 30, 2009 No, it's called, "We live in a society that doesn't require us to hunt and gather for food, doesn't require us to work the earth for food, doesn't require us to do anything except go to an office and sit down all day in front of a computer screen to feed ourselves." Our society's means of entertainment involves a lot of sitting and spectating. Sedentary lifestyles are where the blame lies, not people "letting themselves go". Like most of the topics you like to espouse on, you don't understand sociology as well as you think you do either. Lol, I live in the same society. Same as about 2 billion other people in this world. As for strawman arguements I find it amusing that you talked about me making a point of a 500 lb person, whilst you made the same extreme arguement of bringing up a 6 pac. I never said a person needed to get a 6 pac. There's a difference between perfection and laziness.
Lusitan Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 I keep seeing these threads where guys ask, "why is it women like taller men? " Or women asking "why do men like younger prettier girls?" Is it really that hard to figure out, or are these people just venting? It's imprinted in our genes. Taller men with broad shoulders are generally larger than shorter men, they are more physically powerful in a fight, and better hunters because a taller male can cast a spear further. They are therefore better able to protect a female of a species. Younger and more beautiful are indicators of better fertility. A women with a 1.4 hip to waist ratio 35-25-35 is a lot more fertile than a woman with a 1 to 1 hip to waist ratio. I read somewhere they are 3 times more fertile. As for the people that come out and say, well I know a woman that dates a 5"5 guy, or I know men that like fat women. Come on, those are the exceptions to the rule. At the end of the day the majority of people pick the best of what they can get. Whilst we can't get any taller or younger, we can still do our best to look our best. People should be hitting the gym and making themselves look good rather than worrying why they're not being picked. There are so many people being lazy, getting fat and then wondering why the hell they aren't being picked. Pick me! Pick me! By that logic, I wouldn't be a human being since the purpose of life is to creeate life, right? Sigh, I can't stand kids People aren't being picked because they don't know how to relate to the opposite sex. They don't know how to talk. By generating emotions in a woman, you create attraction. You don't need to be buffed like the governor of California to get attractive ladies or tall like Michael Jordan. You need to create a connection and that is easy if you get to know the woman. Of course you should only start the relationship if the connection is felt by you too, but you get my idea. Why did the ladies of all centuries fell so hard for Poets? Why do ladies want, that much, romance? A guy can look like Prince charming but if he doesn't know how to make the emotions of the woman, 'sing', he's done for. On the other hand, a guy can even be considered 'ugly' but he can get the attention and love of the woman if he knows how to treat the woman, well. I do feel more attracted to conventionally beautiful women and It's normal for women to feel the same(for guys like Brad Pitt etc) but I've fallen in love with girls over the density and shape of their hair! or the smile, or the way she wrote her essay ! To put mate selection or, merely attraction in such cold parameters of avaliation is to kill what makes us human. Last, but not least, by what you consider male beauty, my family members(from the side of my mother's famil) are ugly, regardless of their lack of beauty, they are such Players, amazing as it sounds(and is). I confess that I, for a long time shared your ideas. I never figured why women gave so much more attention to me(prior to me going out to them and flirt with them etc) since I was the ugliest and shortest of the guys around but, I figured out it was my confidence levels. They are Pretty darn high how they "felt" my confidence, beats me, but I'm not complaining.
Lusitan Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 I stand on my theory that women want taller men because they are too cheap to buy a ladder, reach that top shelf
EarthGirl Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 Mb, just don't pay attention to Hkizzle. He doesn't know what he is talking about. I am a heterosexual (ok, and bi-curious) woman who likes men and knows what it's like to be a woman and to love men. Hkizzle is a MAN, at least that's what it says on his profile, and I'm assuming he's straight, so how would HE know what is attractive in a MAN? Although, even though this forum is titled "LOVE shack", I don't recall seeing any posts from Hkizzle that have anything to do with the subject, mostly he just seems to beat up on fat people or whoever he sees as "weak" (what is the definition of a bully again?)...so maybe he is gay or bi, nothing wrong with that and perhaps he has some idea of what is attractive in a man, but I would not know because I have not read any posts from him that have anything to do with matters of the heart. I have not spent that much time here, perhaps he has written about it before. Either way though I would not count on him having good taste anyway, so just trust me..ignore him...nothing good will come of anyone caring anything about what he thinks of them because what he thinks of you means absolutely nothing, zip...Short men are HOT! period. At least to some women they are, and again probably a lot more than is publicized by the powers that be. Which is the thing, H (you don't mind if I call you "H", do you?)...it really does not matter to me if I spend a whole half hour on an emotional post responding to you (not gonna spend much more time after this though, it's a waste of time, you are a waste of time)...because I was not planning on exercising today anyway, and I really don't care what you think of that...and, I think it's pretty clear I was not only responding to you but the world at large (which is a lot more worthwhile)...in fact I've saved the last post and I am going to post it other places, maybe put it in a book someday. Again, what you fail to understand is that I don't need your approval in any way, shape or form. When I begin exercising and taking care of myself, which will be soon, I will be doing it for myself and a really hot guy who loves me no matter how fat I am..and I don't really care if he is not turned on by me now as I am, or is even disgusted by me, I don't judge that, turned on is different than love, ideally they occur at the same time, but the point is he LOVES me and RESPECTS (love is not really love without respect) me as a person regardless, and does not call me lazy and weak without having walked in my shoes, and that is why I will give up whoppers for him and give him a hot body to enjoy. And I all in all want to have a literally lighter load on me and enjoy life more and be able to play with the special little ones in my life (little ones being children, not skinny people)..but believe me I will not be doing it for you or any of your kind (your kind: that would be the major a$ses of the world)...nor doing it because of any "pressure" you or any of your kind put on me. This includes the celeb trainers on the Biggest Loser, I f-ing hate them. If you and your kind were the only things concerned, and not me and my own happiness, and people I love, I would stay fat, no actually get even fatter and really enjoy several whoppers every week and eat lots of strawberry cake every day with whipped cream, and get so fat I could hardly walk to Burger King from the parking lot, but I would...and I'd wear really ugly sweat pants that were too tight on me because I bought them 50 pounds ago, and I'd do it all just to spite you and disgust you so you hate me even more, when all along I really know it's yourself that you are really hating more and more and more.
EarthGirl Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 I stand on my theory that women want taller men because they are too cheap to buy a ladder, reach that top shelf now that is some good comedy humor there, Lusitan, but actually you have a very practical and serious point there as well that there may actually be quite a bit of truth to. however I think most women would trade the ability to reach top shelves in a second for a shorter guy if he could provide courageous and squeemish-less insect and rodent catching and killing.
zilverenvlinder Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 So, what's the point of this post? People who don't fit the "ideal" look of physical attractiveness will never be loved? What should they/we do, just jump over a building? I don't understand, I guess.
EarthGirl Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 So, what's the point of this post? People who don't fit the "ideal" look of physical attractiveness will never be loved? What should they/we do, just jump over a building? I don't understand, I guess. I don't think there IS any point but bullying, honestly. At least in the OP, some of us I think made some good points after that, but there is really not much point at all to the original idea....no, don't jump. don't give up on love and you know even if you have had enough someday and you never get lucky with it, there is more to life than that kind of love...I know for some of us romantics it's hard to live without it, but there really is a whole lot more meaning in life and a whole lot of other things to do with your time, if only to hold us over till wether in this life or the next, we get the love we deserve.
Chicago_Guy Posted August 30, 2009 Posted August 30, 2009 I keep seeing these threads where guys ask, "why is it women like taller men? " Or women asking "why do men like younger prettier girls?" Is it really that hard to figure out, or are these people just venting? It's imprinted in our genes. Taller men with broad shoulders are generally larger than shorter men, they are more physically powerful in a fight, and better hunters because a taller male can cast a spear further. They are therefore better able to protect a female of a species. Younger and more beautiful are indicators of better fertility. A women with a 1.4 hip to waist ratio 35-25-35 is a lot more fertile than a woman with a 1 to 1 hip to waist ratio. I read somewhere they are 3 times more fertile. As for the people that come out and say, well I know a woman that dates a 5"5 guy, or I know men that like fat women. Come on, those are the exceptions to the rule. At the end of the day the majority of people pick the best of what they can get. Whilst we can't get any taller or younger, we can still do our best to look our best. People should be hitting the gym and making themselves look good rather than worrying why they're not being picked. There are so many people being lazy, getting fat and then wondering why the hell they aren't being picked. What does the ability to hunt have to do with being tall? If women only wanted the guy who would be best in a fight, wouldn't they go for a 6'4" 300 lb fatass would could whip some ass? I agree that women do seem to be programmed to prefer tall men I suppose because they think that tall men are generally more masculine. What this generally means to me is that shorter men have to make up for their lack of height in other ways by being fit, financially successful, great personality, etc.
Author Hkizzle Posted August 31, 2009 Author Posted August 31, 2009 What does the ability to hunt have to do with being tall? If women only wanted the guy who would be best in a fight, wouldn't they go for a 6'4" 300 lb fatass would could whip some ass? I agree that women do seem to be programmed to prefer tall men I suppose because they think that tall men are generally more masculine. What this generally means to me is that shorter men have to make up for their lack of height in other ways by being fit, financially successful, great personality, etc. There were several questions of similar sorts, so I will just respond to Chicago guy. A taller person can launch a throwing device much further, if you look at discus and javelin throwers they are all taller. As for the 300lb fatass (vet and earthgirl would love you for saying that), our genes developed a long time ago, back then there were no fatasses because everyone had to hunt for a living and had a much lower caloric intake. The genetic programming to like height however lingered. Shorter men can make up for any natural advantages by developing their personality and hitting the gym.
Vet Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 There were several questions of similar sorts, so I will just respond to Chicago guy. A taller person can launch a throwing device much further, if you look at discus and javelin throwers they are all taller. As for the 300lb fatass (vet and earthgirl would love you for saying that), our genes developed a long time ago, back then there were no fatasses because everyone had to hunt for a living and had a much lower caloric intake. The genetic programming to like height however lingered. Shorter men can make up for any natural advantages by developing their personality and hitting the gym. This post is very indicative of your ignorance of this (and many other) topics. Throughout human history, being fat has been extremely desirable because it showed that an individual could provide much more for him or herself than was required to keep them living. Why is that if our genes that "developed a long time ago" were in direct contradiction of this?
runner Posted August 31, 2009 Posted August 31, 2009 I stand on my theory that women want taller men because they are too cheap to buy a ladder, reach that top shelf it's a fashion and cultural thing; women just want to wear their heels and look sexier than other females, all whilst still being shorter than their boyfriends.
Author Hkizzle Posted August 31, 2009 Author Posted August 31, 2009 This post is very indicative of your ignorance of this (and many other) topics. Throughout human history, being fat has been extremely desirable because it showed that an individual could provide much more for him or herself than was required to keep them living. Why is that if our genes that "developed a long time ago" were in direct contradiction of this? Wow, I just hate your friggin ignorance. That's not a biological attraction. That's a cultural attraction created by some tribes in Africa. Stop spouting your ignorance off an pretending you know anything.
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