How Long Do You Wait?

[dreamergrl]

you start bringing up your traumatic life stories, no one cares that is not the point of this thread. are you trying to make people feel sorry for what happened to you? it sounds like some blame god from their abusive situations or what happened to them.

 

Thanks Silver Fish... I missed this one. I am far from looking for pity, I am only using my life experiences to prove a point. This guy was going to be abusive no matter what. Had I not gone through what I did, I could have been ended up married, then abused, then going through a divorce. I don't blame God I blame the man who chose those actions. I also will not accept blame for his actions. I cannot control them. I could not predict them either. I could only make the choice AFTER what happened.

[Lish]

silverfish...wasn't trying to be a christian lol

 

well sorry to hear about your rough experiences. i'm not saying this goes for every guy, but i think if he's the type who doesn't wait until marriage, knocks you up and beats the crap out of you..thats probably not going to be the same type who respects you and waits to have sex or waits until marriage. yes that type still could abuse you, but not as likely.

 

Firstly, I am not looking for sympathy when I started going on about my rough experiences,all I'm saying is, if people are going to go around throwing their faith around like it's actual facts, then they should expect to have them challenged. And we are not twisting what she said atall. Someone mentioned they were in an abusive relationship and she got "then you didn't listen to God...", therefore implying that it's the same for ANYONE who finds themselves in that situation.

 

God and his "will" and his "advices" are what this lady keeps on going on about. And I'm sure you can imagine, I for one find it hard to believe an all powerful, all loving being has it in his "will" to destroy families and lives (and not just in my situation.. in many, many others).

How is that loving in any way?

 

And before anyone moans, like I said before, I respect people's religions. Just don't expect me to sit quiet when you're shoving them down my throat.

[dreamergrl]

silverfish...wasn't trying to be a christian lol

 

well sorry to hear about your rough experiences. i'm not saying this goes for every guy, but i think if he's the type who doesn't wait until marriage, knocks you up and beats the crap out of you..thats probably not going to be the same type who respects you and waits to have sex or waits until marriage. yes that type still could abuse you, but not as likely.

 

Just because one waits for marriage does not make them a saint. This behavior can easily be developed later on in life. Or may stay dormant until certain experiences bring it out. You can't define the psychological issues one has, and say just because they wait for marriage they are likely not to be one way or another.

 

As I said earlier, the guy who had done this, was and is a religious man. He followed many of these so called 'rules'. He went on to preach to other people of these 'rules'. He carried other good traits. It doesn't make someone a good person, just because of that fact.

[Vet]

Firstly, I am not looking for sympathy when I started going on about my rough experiences,all I'm saying is, if people are going to go around throwing their faith around like it's actual facts, then they should expect to have them challenged. And we are not twisting what she said atall. Someone mentioned they were in an abusive relationship and she got "then you didn't listen to God...", therefore implying that it's the same for ANYONE who finds themselves in that situation.

 

God and his "will" and his "advices" are what this lady keeps on going on about. And I'm sure you can imagine, I for one find it hard to believe an all powerful, all loving being has it in his "will" to destroy families and lives (and not just in my situation.. in many, many others).

How is that loving in any way?

 

And before anyone moans, like I said before, I respect people's religions. Just don't expect me to sit quiet when you're shoving them down my throat.

 

Why give this filth any respect? Personally, I'm done with moral objectivism. To say that your relationship didn't work (and that you ended up in a bad place) because you didn't follow my sky fairy's arbitrary edicts is repugnant. It is filth, and I refuse to respect anyone that wants to take the line that Lovelybird's been towing in this thread.

[dreamergrl]

I have a question for you. If/when something bad happens to you, and your relationship. Who will you blame?

[bluewolf17]

I think she's done.

 

Lovelybird is not exactly a good represenative of the Christian religion. She may mean well, but her debating skills are very off. Dreamergirl, I have read this thread from the beginning to the end..and I think you both aren't getting eachother. The main reason is because it boils down to a religion that you both don't agree on, and probably never will. And that's okay.

[dreamergrl]

I think she's done.

 

Lovelybird is not exactly a good represenative of the Christian religion. She may mean well, but her debating skills are very off. Dreamergirl, I have read this thread from the beginning to the end..and I think you both aren't getting eachother. The main reason is because it boils down to a religion that you both don't agree on, and probably never will. And that's okay.

 

No, I understand religion. I have friends that come from a very very similar background, except they don't shove their thoughts down my throat, nor do they force blame on others because they don't share the same exact beliefs. They don't tell me I deserve all the bad that has happened to me, because I didn't listen to God. that's far from Christian. It has to do with the person behind the beliefs and how they go about them. Not the actual belief.

[Island Girl]

No, I understand religion. I have friends that come from a very very similar background, except they don't shove their thoughts down my throat, nor do they force blame on others because they don't share the same exact beliefs. They don't tell me I deserve all the bad that has happened to me, because I didn't listen to God. that's far from Christian. It has to do with the person behind the beliefs and how they go about them. Not the actual belief.

 

Good point Dreamer. I have the same experience and it appears the same reaction you and Lish do.

[Untouchable_Fire]

It has to do with the person behind the beliefs and how they go about them. Not the actual belief.

 

I would say it's both.

 

The absolute most solid and loving couple I know waited until they got married at 22. It's been about 8 years and several kids... they still seem rock solid. I think it is because of the faith they share more than any other factor. In fact he just spent the last year standing by his wife through a horrible illness, even when the rest of her family thought it was psychological.

 

The point is that many in the church see themselves as called by God to be a good example. They understand that they are not perfect and will mess up here and there... but they truly strive to always do the right thing.

[bluewolf17]

No, I understand religion. I have friends that come from a very very similar background, except they don't shove their thoughts down my throat, nor do they force blame on others because they don't share the same exact beliefs. They don't tell me I deserve all the bad that has happened to me, because I didn't listen to God. that's far from Christian. It has to do with the person behind the beliefs and how they go about them. Not the actual belief.

 

I have felt this way too . I guess being a "outsider" (ie, not you or Lovely) I read the conversation a little diffrently.

 

I didn't wait for marriage, and I have experienced so much love...I would never take that back.

[dreamergrl]

I would say it's both.

 

The absolute most solid and loving couple I know waited until they got married at 22. It's been about 8 years and several kids... they still seem rock solid. I think it is because of the faith they share more than any other factor. In fact he just spent the last year standing by his wife through a horrible illness, even when the rest of her family thought it was psychological.

 

The point is that many in the church see themselves as called by God to be a good example. They understand that they are not perfect and will mess up here and there... but they truly strive to always do the right thing.

 

But in lovelybird's case, if you don't share her religion - then it's all your fault if something bad happens to you - regardless. I deserved what I got, because I didn't 'listen' to God. :rolleyes:

[Untouchable_Fire]

But in lovelybird's case, if you don't share her religion - then it's all your fault if something bad happens to you - regardless. I deserved what I got, because I didn't 'listen' to God. :rolleyes:

 

It wasn't your fault. If LovelyBird said it was... then she is not only wrong but also fails to live up to her screen name. Perhaps she should be reminded that judgment is God's domain... not hers.

 

I recommend that nobody jump into the sack until they are emotionally ready. Otherwise... whats the point? It's just assisted masturbation.

 

The women who tend to fail with me the quickest... have always been the ones who think they can use sex to make me fall in love.

[caramel c]

You guys still aren't sick of this? lol

[Lovelybird]

I have a question for you. If/when something bad happens to you, and your relationship. Who will you blame?

I didn't judge anyone, I was talking matters in stead of persons.

 

To answer your question, yes, I had bad relationship before. I had one online emotional abusive bf long before. Although I wasn't hit by him physically, but I did suffer much from that relationship. My self-esteem hit ground, felt isolated from others, couldn't look into common people eyes, I cried often, had big rages. And that was after I became a christian and born again (before born again, my life was more miserable). Then I asked God many questions, such as why didn't Holy Spiriti stop me to date him, then for a quite while, God revealed to me about myself instead of the bf.

 

God revealed to me that:

 

I was hunger for love. I grabbed that man like a drowning person grab a straw When I should root myself to a solid rock God Himself. God told me that I tried to build a house on sand (that man) instead of rock (God).

 

I allowed him to disrespect me. Again, I didn't know how a woman should be treated and I was hunger for love. That man wrote many sexual letters to me, tried to hook me with those letters, I felt offended but couldn't put a finger on it, in fact, I thought that was love, but it wasn't.

 

God showed me that I was just as bad as him to use him as he used me, because I didn't love him, but consume him like he did to me. I was lonely. Love is something different, to love is to give. But I needed something from him desperately, that's why I didn't leave him sooner. In a word, I idolize him when I shouldn't. He shouldn't be the one that provide something core to my being but God only.

 

God showed me that I wasn't healed by HIs love yet, so I made bad choices. Through the years God loves me and healed me, because of this I can make better choices, if today I meet that man, I would leave the first second he shows disrespect. Because I know now what is love look like, and I can learn to respect myself.

 

Yes, God showed me that I wasn't honest to myself, and to that man. If I was honest, I would face the truth, didn't oppress myself to stay.

 

God also showed me that I was a part of the abusive dynamic, because I didn't confront, didn't stop playing the role, in a sense I was helping him act bad, or in some degree I was even trigered his bad side. Not that I created bad in him, the bad already in him, just it was triggered by me. As every human being, we all have sin tendencies. And God wanted me to forgive him, and I did.

 

I believe God used that experience to make me know myself more, and so HE can remove those bad things from me, and have a real blessed life.

 

Recovering is a slow process, but one step after another God healed me and continue to teach me. So after that experience, I learned to always to check myself, that's why I made those comments about a relationship dynamics, nobody is perfect, everybody has space to improve and bring good thing into their lives, that is my intent. So when I chose a man who didn't treat me right, I ask not why he didn't treat me right, I ask why I chose him, what in me that I want to choose him. I think it is a good start to heal and go for a better life

 

But a poster is right, I am not representative to christians:D, only Jesus is. I am human being who make mistakes and have limited understandings, try to do thing right, but often get corrected by God. sorry if my opinions offended you.

[bluewolf17]

I didn't judge anyone, I was talking matters in stead of persons.

 

To answer your question, yes, I had bad relationship before. I had one online emotional abusive bf long before. Although I wasn't hit by him physically, but I did suffer much from that relationship. My self-esteem hit ground, felt isolated from others, couldn't look into common people eyes, I cried often, had big rages. And that was after I became a christian and born again (before born again, my life was more miserable). Then I asked God many questions, such as why didn't Holy Spiriti stop me to date him, then for a quite while, God revealed to me about myself instead of the bf.

 

God revealed to me that:

 

I was hunger for love. I grabbed that man like a drowning person grab a straw When I should root myself to a solid rock God Himself. God told me that I tried to build a house on sand (that man) instead of rock (God).

 

I allowed him to disrespect me. Again, I didn't know how a woman should be treated and I was hunger for love. That man wrote many sexual letters to me, tried to hook me with those letters, I felt offended but couldn't put a finger on it, in fact, I thought that was love, but it wasn't.

 

God showed me that I was just as bad as him to use him as he used me, because I didn't love him, but consume him like he did to me. I was lonely. Love is something different, to love is to give. But I needed something from him desperately, that's why I didn't leave him sooner. In a word, I idolize him when I shouldn't. He shouldn't be the one that provide something core to my being but God only.

 

God showed me that I wasn't healed by HIs love yet, so I made bad choices. Through the years God loves me and healed me, because of this I can make better choices, if today I meet that man, I would leave the first second he shows disrespect. Because I know now what is love look like, and I can learn to respect myself.

 

Yes, God showed me that I wasn't honest to myself, and to that man. If I was honest, I would face the truth, didn't oppress myself to stay.

 

God also showed me that I was a part of the abusive dynamic, because I didn't confront, didn't stop playing the role, in a sense I was helping him act bad, or in some degree I was even trigered his bad side. Not that I created bad in him, the bad already in him, just it was triggered by me. As every human being, we all have sin tendencies. And God wanted me to forgive him, and I did.

 

I believe God used that experience to make me know myself more, and so HE can remove those bad things from me, and have a real blessed life.

 

Recovering is a slow process, but one step after another God healed me and continue to teach me. So after that experience, I learned to always to check myself, that's why I made those comments about a relationship dynamics, nobody is perfect, everybody has space to improve and bring good thing into their lives, that is my intent. So when I chose a man who didn't treat me right, I ask not why he didn't treat me right, I ask why I chose him, what in me that I want to choose him. I think it is a good start to heal and go for a better life

 

But a poster is right, I am not representative to christians:D, only Jesus is. I am human being who make mistakes and have limited understandings, try to do thing right, but often get corrected by God. sorry if my opinions offended you.

 

Well said.

[Lovelybird]

As for those who were abused as a child, that is tragedy. God never plans these evil things on anyone. But HE can use these experiences to bless others.

 

Do you know Joyce Meyer? she was sexually abused by her own father when she was young, she grew up and chose an abusive husband. But God entered her life, not only changed her and blessed her ten times more, but also God uses her experience to help thousands, millions of others. People may use their evil to hurt you, but God can restore you.

 

As for waiting, come back to the topic:D, why God wants me to wait? because God loves me and us deeply, and HE has all wisdom, HE knows us well more than we know ourselves.

[Lish]

You found religion because of an online relationship that made you cry? Sounds to me like you may have been looking for a cop out rather than religion to replace the issues that you were not capable of dealing with on your own?

 

And look. There you are. Doing it AGAIN. You keep shoving your religion down our throats like it's actually true. And whereas it could be, there's no cold, hard facts. That's why it's called a faith.

So by your standards, anyone who goes through any evil... goes through it for the benefit of others? You're actually laughable. Children don't die each second in poorer countries of curable diseases for the benefit of anybody else, DARLING.

We're not debating poorer countries here, but if you've got a religious stance and belief in something, like why evil exists, you cannot change the stance to suit a situation like you are. Keep to ya book.

[Lovelybird]

"if my opinions offended you" ... you haven't even began to touch the sides, darling.

 

I still want you to answer the question I asked earlier: you go on about the will of god, and his advice, yet there are millions of people on this earth going through torture & families being ripped apart by awful experiences (I'm not just talking about my own, thousands of people are in the same boat). I thought, to "God", every human was equal? Every human was his creation.. that he loves and cares about all of mankind? How can he allow those people to live awful things and then help YOU with your online relationship? I know full well you're no messenger or representative of god, but for someone who obviously is invested in her faith, what do YOU think the 'will of God' is in these situations?

 

You became a Christian because of a tricky time in your life? Um. That to me sounds like a lost soul looking for any cop out for the fact they cannot deal with their own issues but hey, if it's genuine faith and not a cop out, then good.

if a cop out faith (I am not quite sure the exact meaning, but I got it) will fade away, any small test can destroy it. But if it is true faith, it will become better and stronger through tests, God knows the heart.

 

Ok, to answer your question, this is my limited learned understanding, We human have evil tendencies. Everyone has own lesson to learn. I have my, and you have yours. If we put God on ignore, what we see? A messed up world, tragedys happen, families broken up, abused children, hunger kids, trouble relationships....all the evil in the world, who is responsible? Human, and every one of us. One good family may meet tragedy because of another person's evil. Sin is in the world.

 

God loves His creation, HE never stops chasing after their souls, HE uses everything to bring His kids to Himself and so they can live as HE created them to be, a beautiful love life with Himself. That's why HE sacrifice His own son, and suffered watching him being spitted, beaten, killed. Why? can a parents bear this pain to watch his son suffer this? God did, not because He didn't love, but because HE loves much the other kids who don't have ability to be perfect.

 

But how many people response back? Many people want to live their own life according to their own will, they want to be independent from God, and do whatever they want, and do whatever suit their selfishness. But by doing this they lost their connection with God, bring troubles into the world. Whoever response to God's calling, can taste His grace, mercy, love and blessings. But for those who don't response, God continues to chase after them. God's love can reach big and small, yes, if I ask Him, HE can and will respond to my need to heal my heart and relationship. if anyone ask God, God will do the same. Others won't ask God because they won't LET God, God wants to pour His love and blessing to each of us, but some just won't let HIM. maybe because of their pride, maybe some other elements, I admitted straightly I am weak, I need God, so God does miracles in my life, shows His strength and grace in my life, beauty for ashes. why is it wrong that I got healed and blessed by God? I believe a loving healed person can serve the world better than a bitter person with hatred. Praise God, HE is full of goodness, HE will give anyone who ask.

 

As for some sufferings, nobody fully understand, but in my own life, I found out the suffering can really open my eyes, according to Bible: Paul said we should be joyful when face tough times, because suffering produce endurance, endurance produce patience, patience produce characters. Suffering can be a tool that shape a person 's characters if this one looks closely to God. if not, one can easily lost in the wind, and wither. But one who rely on God will only become stronger and blossom, because God gives strength.

 

Any suffering can serve a good purpose that teach us not put eyes on temporary, but on eternity. Life here is very short, but souls live forever. so it is very important for considering one's soul's destiny.

 

I am not saying every case is to benefit others such as babies dying, those babies's suffering are caused by people who don't want to follow God's will but hardened their heart, don't respond to God's love, those babies are evil's and war's victims

 

One can really experience God if they ask

[Lish]

if a cop out faith (I am not quite sure the exact meaning, but I got it) will fade away, any small test can destroy it. But if it is true faith, it will become better and stronger through tests, God knows the heart.

 

Ok, to answer your question, this is my limited learned understanding, We human have evil tendencies. Everyone has own lesson to learn. I have my, and you have yours. If we put God on ignore, what we see? A messed up world, tragedys happen, families broken up, abused children, hunger kids, trouble relationships....all the evil in the world, who is responsible? Human, and every one of us. One good family may meet tragedy because of another person's evil. Sin is in the world.

 

God loves His creation, HE never stops chasing after their souls, HE uses everything to bring His kids to Himself and so they can live as HE created them to be, a beautiful love life with Himself. That's why HE sacrifice His own son, and suffered watching him being spitted, beaten, killed. Why? can a parents bear this pain to watch his son suffer this? God did, not because He didn't love, but because HE loves much the other kids who don't have ability to be perfect.

 

But how many people response back? Many people want to live their own life according to their own will, they want to be independent from God, and do whatever they want, and do whatever suit their selfishness. But by doing this they lost their connection with God, bring troubles into the world. Whoever response to God's calling, can taste His grace, mercy, love and blessings. But for those who don't response, God continues to chase after them. God's love can reach big and small, yes, if I ask Him, HE can and will respond to my need to heal my heart and relationship. if anyone ask God, God will do the same. Others won't ask God because they won't LET God, God wants to pour His love and blessing to each of us, but some just won't let HIM. maybe because of their pride, maybe some other elements, I admitted straightly I am weak, I need God, so God does miracles in my life, shows His strength and grace in my life, beauty for ashes.

 

As for some sufferings, nobody fully understand, but in my own life, I found out the suffering can really open my eyes, according to Bible: Paul said we should be joyful when face tough times, because suffering produce endurance, endurance produce patience, patience produce characters. Suffering can be a tool that shape a person 's characters if this one looks closely to God. if not, one can easily lost in the wind, and wither. But one who rely on God will only become stronger and blossom, because God gives strength.

 

Any suffering can serve a good purpose that teach us not put eyes on temporary, but on eternity. Life here is very short, but souls live forever. so it is very important for considering one's soul's destiny.

 

I am not saying every case is to benefit others such as babies dying, those babies's suffering are caused by people who don't want to follow God's will but hardened their heart, don't respond to God's love, those babies are evil's and war's victims

 

One can really experience God if they ask

 

The bits in bold..

so they can live as HE created them to be, a beautiful love life ......... those babies's suffering are caused by people who don't want to follow God's will but hardened their heart: you don't see the contradiction in those two statements? Let me explain. People live in the way 'HE' created them to be? Meaning that those who cause babies to suffer, who you say have 'hardened their heart', is how God intended them to be? Evil? If everyone is how God intended... then he intended them to be evil, no?

 

Suffering can be a tool that shape a person 's characters: I'm still not understanding this at all, you're still saying that people suffer to benefit themselves and OTHERS? people suffer to help others build character? I'm sorry, but I just don't buy it.

[Lovelybird]

The bits in bold..

so they can live as HE created them to be, a beautiful love life ......... those babies's suffering are caused by people who don't want to follow God's will but hardened their heart: you don't see the contradiction in those two statements? Let me explain. People live in the way 'HE' created them to be? Meaning that those who cause babies to suffer, who you say have 'hardened their heart', is how God intended them to be? Evil? If everyone is how God intended... then he intended them to be evil, no?

 

Suffering can be a tool that shape a person 's characters: I'm still not understanding this at all, you're still saying that people suffer to benefit themselves and OTHERS? people suffer to help others build character? I'm sorry, but I just don't buy it.

I assume that you know the story of Adam and Eve. In the garden of Eden they happily lived with God, no tears, no worries, no shame, no fear, only love, they didn't fear God, but after they disobeyed God, ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evi (according to own self-centerness to judge what is good and evil), they became fear God, and sin entered world, and they lost the connection with God, before they ate the fruit, they were God-centered, not self-centered. Every human since then has sin tendency. And Jesus came to bring us to reconnect to God. Through living a life that daily surrender to God's Spirit, we can have a loving relaitonship with God again. Only after Jesus died, God sends Holy Spirit to lead His people. Without God's help, people sin everyday every minutes, impossible to reconnect to God, because God is holy, but we make mistakes, sin against Him. With God's help, through faith in His son, He gives us His Spirit to guide, to correct, to teach, to rebuke, to comfort, to give strength and grace, God knows you better than anyone on earth. HE knows what you like, what you hate, what you feel uncomfortable, what make you smile, what make you cry, what suffered you, HE wants to restore you and heal you, HE wants to be the one who comfort you, heal your wounds, make you smile when you cry, give you peace when you are upset, give you strength when you feel weak, be your rock when you feel shaky, understand you when nobody does. HE does this for me, and for anyone needs Him.

 

I read a great book Streams In The Desert, for some saint, they really can look at suffering as blessings, so there would be no negative in their lives, I admire they can be like that, here is the link that woman wrote some amazing things

http://eden.enc.iis.sinica.edu.tw/fellowship/streams/

[Chubbi]

How long will I wait?

 

Apparently, the "young" generation are supposed to be the hook-up college culture and the freedom of sex. On my extremely liberal, verging on radical college campus, I've seen the hook-up and then avoid game. I've seen and heard the casual sex, the threesomes, the drunkones. I don't mind it.

 

I have often pondered the reason why my friends and I, the college juniors we are this year, are all the same- never been kissed or had boyfriend type of girls and I can't figure it out. Some of them ascribe to a religion- I don't. Some of them do things virgins do- don't watch porn/don't dance or dress slutty. I do.

 

I've worn my fair share of short skirts, skanky outfits, grinded on the dance floor etc etc. Hell, I took a nude photograph and published it. I shook my ass on stage in a club before too. But at the end of the day, I tell them all goodbye, get rid of the guy I had been dancing with, put my jacket on and walk myself home.

 

I asked myself: maybe it's because my friends and I are not attractive. Or maybe it's because I have some long held moral values? (yeah right) I don't know what it is. I can't say it's all me either- if Mr. Right came around, I defintely would not be turning him down. So, it could be opportunities, or maybe we're just too quiet?? I don't know the reason.

 

My friends in highschool have babies already. Now, my friends in college are not nearly as "fass"

 

I do know that if I do have sex before I am entirely sure and ready, I will regret it. I know for certain that having sex on the fourth date will make me hate myself to no end. I will tell my Bff that I broke my pledge to her that we will be silly hopeless romantics and wait a year at least before sex and she can judge me as much as she wants.

 

Right now, since I am around friends who are like me, I feel no pressure to neither have a boyfriend or have sex, so for the most times, I don't even think about those things. I did ask one of my friends who is a Conservative Christian what she would do if a guy never came around, and she said she would open a knitting store and be a cat lady. I liked that.

 

I'm not a wait till I'm married type of person. I'm more of a Chubbi, when you want to f- somebody's brains out, do it. Until then, f- the basta** that don't stick around. LOL That's my motto.

 

That's my perspective...errr...carry on

[Lish]

I assume that you know the story of Adam and Eve. In the garden of Eden they happily lived with God, no tears, no worries, no shame, no fear, only love, they didn't fear God, but after they disobeyed God, ate the fruit of knowledge of good and evi (according to own self-centerness to judge what is good and evil), they became fear God, and sin entered world, and they lost the connection with God, before they ate the fruit, they were God-centered, not self-centered. Every human since then has sin tendency. And Jesus came to bring us to reconnect to God. Through living a life that daily surrender to God's Spirit, we can have a loving relaitonship with God again. Only after Jesus died, God sends Holy Spirit to lead His people. Without God's help, people sin everyday every minutes, impossible to reconnect to God, because God is holy, but we make mistakes, sin against Him. With God's help, through faith in His son, He gives us His Spirit to guide, to correct, to teach, to rebuke, to comfort, to give strength and grace, God knows you better than anyone on earth. HE knows what you like, what you hate, what you feel uncomfortable, what make you smile, what make you cry, what suffered you, HE wants to restore you and heal you, HE wants to be the one who comfort you, heal your wounds, make you smile when you cry, give you peace when you are upset, give you strength when you feel weak, be your rock when you feel shaky, understand you when nobody does. HE does this for me, and for anyone needs Him.

 

I read a great book, for some saint, they really can look at suffering as blessings, so there would be no negative in their lives, I admire they can be like that, here is the link that woman wrote some amazing things

http://eden.enc.iis.sinica.edu.tw/fellowship/streams/

 

Absolute trash.

You sat there previously saying that what happened to me was tragic, and now you're directing me to a book which is going to teach me how there are no negatives in life? And please don't insult my intelligence just so you can grasp the opportunity to give us more stuff from ya book.

 

If you really parade around your life forcing your religion down people's throats like you have done on this forum, then I really do pity anyone who has the misfortune to meet you.

Honestly, I've wasted more than enough of my time on you and your inability to quit your mindless preaching and get out of your narrow minded outlook on life and other people's opinions.

[Island Girl]

Dreamer and Lish -- I really like you girls.

 

Strong, confident, and capable women aren't as rare as they once were I'm thinking.

[Lovelybird]

your attitude and mean words towards me speak much volumes about yourself than about me.

[boldjack]

Lish, it does you no good to bandy words with a fanatic. It wastes your time and gives them a soapbox to preach from. You seem to have adjusted to what happened to you, and your courage and intelligence are what pulled you through, not some myth.