Powerful Men

[Vet]

I never said all men were misogynists. I said that I believed you to be because of the attitude you reflect about women here.

 

Please show me some examples of the attitude I reflect about women; I (and I'm sure every other person that's seen you post) can attest to the way you comport yourself here is very in line with hating men.

[likeORIGAMI]

It's human nature. I mean, would you rather be with someone who was wealthy or poor?

[Els]

Why must the guy be powerful and wealthy for him to matter?

 

If you find that all the powerful, wealthy guys that you know are ONLY going for hot, pretty girls 30 years younger than them, you might wanna try a slightly less powerful and wealthy but more sensible crowd of men.

[carhill]

I'm unclear on the exact parameters, but the gentlemen I know personally who control and/or have net worths of multiples of millions of dollars predominantly are married to women their own age and have been so for many years. No clue if affairs have been a part of their lifestyle but, if so, it hasn't been obvious to me. Some I've known for 15-20 years and more.

 

As a point of reference, I am not one of them (meaning wealthy). I still mow my own lawn (and did so this evening)

[Gamine]

I don't know about the older 'powerful' guys looking at younger women because I'm still shocked at the younger guys checking out older women.

[carhill]

LOL, they (young men) check out transsexuals too. If it moves and appears female, it's on their radar

[tami-chan]

Plenty of powerful men love their wives.

 

But do they find them attractive enough to desire them for sex?

[Trialbyfire]

Are there any powerful, wealthy men happily married to women their own age? I'm getting older and I'm wondering if men prefer young pretty girls.

Also I worry that as a woman ages she just can't compete with a hot young women. Men are always drawn to the youngest prettiest girls. I notice this, it's sad but true for example at a party at a restaurant they stare at the youngest prettiest in the room.

 

This prob sounds immature. But may have some good points.

Refer to Warren Buffett's life story. He was married for 25 years to the woman he loved, when she decided to pursue a singing career. She left him but they remained friends, enough that she was the one to introduce him to his current wife.

[carhill]

But do they find them attractive enough to desire them for sex?

IME, yes. It's often the wives which see things as a business arrangement, augmented by their disdain for the man's commitment to the career/pursuits which provide them with their lifestyle. Distant wives are the single biggest complaint of those business colleagues I know well enough to talk about personal matters with. This dynamic follows them into retirement, since we're all getting up in years now.

[Trialbyfire]

Believe it or not, men, whether powerful or wealthy or handsome, all three, or any other combination thereof, are just men like any other. Some can love and others can't.

[You'reasian]

 

I don't think it's bad that older men would date younger women. What is bad is that if men are *always* looking to younger women, it pretty much is tellign women that men think we are worthless and only worthwhile based on our age

 

That's your perception and you're entitled to it.

 

Entertain the idea that men look at younger women because they find them attractive and intuitivley reproductive.

 

 

when women NEVER hold men to that awful standard. Women sit here praising men for aging and men sit here condemning us for it. Why even try if that's how men feel about us. One day I won't be young anymore and I don't want to be kicked to the curb for it or be with a man that is looking to younger women because he feels his biology is more important then a womans.

 

You know why we stay with women?

 

Because the ones we want to stay with are bad @ss loyal and loving partners.

 

 

 

 

If men identity us by our beauty why shouldn't we identify ourselves by that? I am really sick of hearing men say women are shallow for being worried about their looks but men are just being "biological" for when they clearly place a value in the way a woman looks. Cut us a break! We want to be beautiful. No matter our age. That doesn't make us shallow. It makes us women who still want to feel like we have our lives ahead of us, can have love and deep passion with a man and hope that he isn't instead wishing to be with someone half our age.

 

 

Nothing wrong with being beautiful, just don't obsess over it. Do what you need to do and then focus on being you.

 

 

 

I wish men would be more realistic about their own biology. When we come to this issue we always hear at least one or several men bring up "biology". The truth is biology is something that works both ways. When men hit 30, their sperm count declines and they are aging. If you think you are the only gender that is turned on by fertlilty, you are wrong. Biology doesn't favor men. Society does. Since most men made society, men try to buy into the wrong ideology that they can live forever and still be strong virle men. When the truth is that medical science has more recently been reporting the draw backs to having children with an older man and that men as young as 30 are already on a decline body wise and fertility wise. If we are going to talk about the epitome of vertility, lets talk about it around the block.

 

 

A man in his 50's and probably his 60's can still have a child with a fertile woman. It still happens. The reverse isn't true. This has nothing to do with the perception that guys can live forever - its just biology - just like women on average live 5-10 years more than most men.

[Jersey Shortie]

That's your perception and you're entitled to it.

 

Entertain the idea that men look at younger women because they find them attractive and intuitivley reproductive.

 

Yes, that is my perception, and when you follow it with the comment you did, it reinforces my perception that men clearly have of women. And that men don't want to be honest about their own biology.

 

You know why we stay with women?

 

Because the ones we want to stay with are bad @ss loyal and loving partners.

 

I know that men want loyatly. I just am not so sure they really want to give it in return. And while these women are being "bad @ss loyal nad loving partners", you can turn to her and tell her that it's okay that you ogle 20 year old girls because your a man after all that that's what is important.

 

 

Nothing wrong with being beautiful, just don't obsess over it. Do what you need to do and then focus on being you.

 

I find this statement hypocritic considering this previous comment:

 

Entertain the idea that men look at younger women because they find them attractive and intuitivley reproductive

 

So lets see, by your personal standards men are allowed to focus and obsess about beauty but somehow women aren't allowed to.

 

 

A man in his 50's and probably his 60's can still have a child with a fertile woman. It still happens. The reverse isn't true. This has nothing to do with the perception that guys can live forever - its just biology - just like women on average live 5-10 years more than most men.

 

A man in his 50s and 60s ages just like women do. They get age spots, and they get high blood preasure, they slow down, they loose health sperm every year after then hit 30. A woman in her 50s and 60s can still have a child too. And women have. Just because you can do it, doesn't mean you should. A 50/60 year old father or mother can't give a child the same things as a younger more active parent can. That is true for both parties. It is also true that both aging parents, men and women, contribute to different problems in children. I am sorry but nature is not telling men to wait until their 50s and 60s or even 40s to have children. Society tells men that because society is largely patriarchel. But lets not confuse society with nature. Nature certainly is not telling men to wait that long. And then to do it with someone half their age. That's not nature. That is male ego and hyporcrisy and inablity to admit their own immortality.

[You'reasian]

 

I know that men want loyatly. I just am not so sure they really want to give it in return. And while these women are being "bad @ss loyal nad loving partners", you can turn to her and tell her that it's okay that you ogle 20 year old girls because your a man after all that that's what is important. .

 

Your response is saturated with insecurities and speaks to the kinds of men you are attracted to. I don't think you could handle a man who reciprocates - it would seem foreign to you and you'd probably take it as a sign of weakness - you're attracted to the drama of it all - then you'd find yourself back in the arms of the same kinds of guys you're used to and making the same complaints.

 

I find this statement hypocritic considering this previous comment:

So lets see, by your personal standards men are allowed to focus and obsess about beauty but somehow women aren't allowed to. .

 

My personal standards are my personal standards. I don't expect a woman to be modelesque - I actually prefer the girl next door which is why I stated "do what you have to do, but don't obsesss" - but I'm not going to date a woman who has let herself go physically. It all starts with an attraction.

 

I don't desire a woman who has high-maintenance beauty - age is irrelavent. If she takes care of herself and looks great in her 40's, chances are she'll trump most 20 something. Here's the kicker...

 

If I'm in a committed relationship with a woman I love, I am going to stay with that woman. Yes, as humans we have wondering eyes. Humans - males and females - but many of us respect and value our commitments.

 

So we might appreciate the beauty of something, but we snap to and remember who it is that we really care about, whom we love, who loves us. Make sense? This is the behavior of a loyal man or woman.

 

You come off as a little jaded. I don't think you'd know how to respond to a loyal, responsible man - maybe because you'd have to be loyal and responsible back - and that breaks your need to be fiercly independent and the comfort you've grown to arguing. You like to argue for the sake of arguing - I'm sure this thread could go on forever if I was committed to responding

 

Nature certainly is not telling men to wait that long. And then to do it with someone half their age. That's not nature. That is male ego and hyporcrisy and inablity to admit their own immortality.

 

It is nature. That's why in other cultures around the world, there's a good 10+ year age gap between male and female couples. The male is usually established in his career and can provide a living for his wife.

 

 

Don't you mean male inability to admit their own "mortality"?

[Jersey Shortie]

You'Reasin, you completely ignore every rational logical point made in the face of your own agenda and baised incorrect persumptions. You rather tell me what *you* think I am and create fantasies about my relationship history. To which you have no history or idea on. It's funny. Do you write stories perhaps? I think that's born out of your own insecurities. There really isn't much more to say to you because your post in reponse makes no sense.

 

 

It is nature. That's why in other cultures around the world, there's a good 10+ year age gap between male and female couples. The male is usually established in his career and can provide a living for his wife.

 

 

Don't you mean male inability to admit their own "mortality"?

 

Yeap, I did mean mortality. Again, in other cultures around the world, they are even more patriachal there here in the states. So that proves my point further. That has nothing to do with nature. Men age, they become less attractive, their sperm declines in quality and amount from age 30 on. No different then women. It's the idea that men hold themselves taht they don't age. And his medically proven that older males contribute to just as many issues with their off spring as older females. To say otherwise is to ignore medical science. Which clearly is what you want to do.

[You'reasian]

You'Reasin, you completely ignore every rational logical point made in the face of your own agenda and baised incorrect persumptions. You rather tell me what *you* think I am and create fantasies about my relationship history. To which you have no history or idea on. It's funny. Do you write stories perhaps? I think that's born out of your own insecurities. There really isn't much more to say to you because your post in reponse makes no sense.

 

Looks like I struck a nerve. You didn't.

 

Proof? You've increased the number of spelling errors in your response six times.

 

 

It's the idea that men hold themselves taht they don't age. And his medically proven that older males contribute to just as many issues with their off spring as older females. To say otherwise is to ignore medical science. Which clearly is what you want to do.

 

Women lose their fertility past a certain age. Men become less reproductive - but still have children largely with younger women. It doesn't take a medical license to see this trend around the globe.

 

Jersey Shortie, you're "nuking" the issue. We know you're intelligent than the rest of us - you don't have to try so hard to prove it.

[Jersey Shortie]

Looks like I struck a nerve. You didn't.

 

 

Is that what this is about for you? A constest in how many "nerves" you want to attemtp to hit with me? Then making it a point that I struck none. My purpose is not to strike nerves. I'm sorry that yours is. Bye the way, it's impossible to strike a nerve when the things you say aren't even anywhere close to true.

 

Proof? You've increased the number of spelling errors in your response six times.

 

LOL. Is that the best you can do? My poor typing and spelling issues being used to deter from the very real fact that none of your comments are based on any fact. I never hid or was embarressed by my lack of spelling, or in some cases, just plain error in typing. My intelligence is not based on my spelling. And if you think it is, more the fool is you.

 

 

Women lose their fertility past a certain age. Men become less reproductive - but still have children largely with younger women. It doesn't take a medical license to see this trend around the globe.

 

Jersey Shortie, you're "nuking" the issue. We know you're intelligent - you don't have to try so hard to prove it.

 

I'm being realistic about the issue. You falling to weak personal attacks envovling my spelling errors and trying to protray me a way I am not speaks for itself and is so over the top obvious that a 5 year old could see through it.

 

You still ignore the very real medical fact that men age, become less fertile with age and hugely contribute to issues in children just as a woman can. As for how many men have children largely with younger women, if we are talking about a difference of 3 years in age, sure maybe. But I wouldn't say that is so far out there or proves that men don't age and become less viable of that a HUGE number of women are having children with men much older then that in age difference. Again, you want to ignore the fact that nature starts men's declining process at age 30. That isn't nature telling men to keep having babies. That's nature telling men that they aren't the best option any more. That's fact and reality. Not bullying and preening like you seem prone to like to do.

[You'reasian]

 

LOL. Is that the best you can do? My poor typing and spelling issues being used to deter from the very real fact that none of your comments are based on any fact. I never hid or was embarressed by my lack of spelling, or in some cases, just plain error in typing. My intelligence is not based on my spelling. And if you think it is, more the fool is you. .

 

Facts are beyond your arguments, JS because your agenda is to win an argument at all costs - an argument Jihadist.

 

I'm being realistic about the issue. You falling to weak personal attacks envovling my spelling errors and trying to protray me a way I am not speaks for itself and is so over the top obvious that a 5 year old could see through it.

 

You still ignore the very real medical fact that men age, become less fertile with age and hugely contribute to issues in children just as a woman can. As for how many men have children largely with younger women, if we are talking about a difference of 3 years in age, sure maybe.

 

But I wouldn't say that is so far out there or proves that men don't age and become less viable of that a HUGE number of women are having children with men much older then that in age difference.

 

 

Again, you want to ignore the fact that nature starts men's declining process at age 30. That isn't nature telling men to keep having babies. That's nature telling men that they aren't the best option any more. That's fact and reality. Not bullying and preening like you seem prone to like to do.

 

You keep saying that men don't age, in your own writing. That's your claim. I've never said that they don't age. Like your arguments with Gorilla and others, you project assumptions onto others - most of them born of your own insecurities - then argue tooth and nail against them.

 

Its almost like you're arguing against yourself.

[Lizzie60]

You'Reasin, you completely ignore every rational logical point made in the face of your own agenda and baised incorrect persumptions.

 

 

 

... I almost choked...

[Trialbyfire]

You'reasian, men are 50% of the infertility equation. It's even estimated that men are up to 60% of the reason why couples are infertile.

 

Not only does DNA fragment in sperm, which leads to increased numbers of autism prevalent in male children amongst many other problems, but also the vigor and propulsion (jump start advantage) in sperm, decreases with age.

 

While I honestly don't care if some men are interested in younger women, they've not been my target audience for many years, since I can't relate to this fear of aging and looking for someone else to be my fountain of youth.

 

Having said that, it's up to women not to be obsessed by the fear of aging. Take care of yourself and you're going to have no difficulties finding a partner. There are billions of men out there. Surely you can find one who isn't insecure about aging.

[You'reasian]

You'reasian, men are 50% of the infertility equation. It's even estimated that men are up to 60% of the reason why couples are infertile.

 

The 50% figure makes sense, atleast from a statistical standpoint. 60%? Do we have a few sources that confirm this? It would be interesting to see the respective age of the couples too.

 

 

While I honestly don't care if some men are interested in younger women, they've not been my target audience for many years, since I can't relate to this fear of aging and looking for someone else to be my fountain of youth.

 

Having said that, it's up to women not to be obsessed by the fear of aging. Take care of yourself and you're going to have no difficulties finding a partner. There are billions of men out there. Surely you can find one who isn't insecure about aging.

 

Solid advice.

 

There's nothing more attractive than a woman who takes really good care of herself

[Trialbyfire]

http://www.wernermd.com/MaleInfertility.html

http://www.maleinfertilitymds.com/faq1.htm

http://www.medicineayurved.com/treatment.htm

 

The above all state male infertility as up to 60% of the reasons why couples can't breed.

[Rudderless]

It's perception of fertility that counts, in the same way as good looking people are often perceived to be intelligent/talented/capable. The reality is often different, however, throwing in stats on male fertility is like throwing in stats on whether good looking people have a higher IQ. Perception appears to be a highly weighted factor in the way current society is shaped.

[GorillaTheater]

A question:

 

Who here thinks older men want to be fertile, generally speaking?

[anne1707]

A question:

 

Who here thinks older men want to be fertile, generally speaking?

 

 

Or is it more pertinent to ask whether older men want to be infertile?

[Rudderless]

Or is it more pertinent to ask whether older men want to be infertile?

 

Perhaps just take a straw poll on who's frozen their sperm.