EarthGirl Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 I posted that because it inspired me as a young girl - my dad had it on his bedroom wall. i remember getting annoyed about the last line 'you'll be a man my son son'- being a girl at the time in my early teens. My dad said and I'll never forget it - 'if you meet the right woman' that poem is lovely and very inspiring. I am a HUGE poetry fan. thanks so much. but I guess I am just not the right woman. do you think that there are some women who will never be the right woman even if they meet the right man? I know it's obvious you are not the person to ask Silver. I know you don't understand, and maybe never will, and maybe no one who reads this thread will, but believe me there a lot of other women out there on this earth who know what I'm talking about. It's not something you can possibly understand unless you've been "in it". Thank you again so much for the poem. That was just what I needed.
EarthGirl Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 Poor Jennifer Anniston just can't keep a man. She could have Stephen Hawkins down a pit and she'd go off to fix herself an organic yoghurt botox meal and he'd manage to escape. very nice. I like your screenname Collector...let me guess you chose it because your day job is being the demon collector of broken hearts, dignity, and anything good in the world and you eat it and inhale it in order to gain the power to take over the world. (evil laugh) you're nothing but a cartoon.
Author Pink Cupcakes Posted August 21, 2009 Author Posted August 21, 2009 The original post and most since all go on the assumption that it's the man that chooses the woman. Hang on but we ALL know that it's the woman that chooses the man...you have to play the game of course but come on! Stop this nonsense people Good point.
The Collector Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 very nice. I like your screenname Collector...let me guess you chose it because your day job is being the demon collector of broken hearts, dignity, and anything good in the world and you eat it and inhale it in order to gain the power to take over the world. (evil laugh Also drowning kittens, though that's more of a hobby. If you're really curious about my screen-name it is explained in the first thread I ever posted here. you're nothing but a cartoon. So was Jem but she was truly outrageous.
Author Pink Cupcakes Posted August 21, 2009 Author Posted August 21, 2009 I am 35. I was actually looking at it from the viewpoint that we are made to believe that women my age and older are made to believe by (some) men in our agegroup that we are a sad lot because the men our age want women in their 20s. The post is saying "Hey, look at Brad Cooper, he could have younger women, he is choosing to date women who are actually slightly older. Probably pink cupcake is in her 20's so she doesn't think she needs to respect older women. Sometimes younger women in their teens and early 20's feel that 40 is so far away that they don't realize that all they have to do is keep living and it's going to get them just like everybody else. so it's ok to disrespect older women because they are foreign and it will never happen to them. Or else they KNOW that it is going to get them so they have to get in all their old maid bashing fast before they end up making fun of themselves, which is why sometimes they are so gung ho about it (I'm talking about other people here, not necessarily pink cupcake)... All it really means is that people who say things like this are people who do not have a lot of empathy for others in general.
silverfish Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 I didnt even realise we were were talknig about brad cooper. Who is brad cooper? Is anyone, male or female actually jealous of who brad cooper is fecking (unless they are gay). Please say no *kneels*
EarthGirl Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 oh sorry.... I thought the first post read like you were on the other side of the issue and you were making fun. I guess one could interpret it either way, that's the problem with the internet and not hearing voice, seeing body language, or knowing context. I guess I am just feeling a little beat up today, even though I am not 30 yet and have a few years till I get to 40, I mean I am just feeling beat up in general not necessarily about this issue....so I guess that colored the way I interpreted it. So many people on the net (and in real life unfortunately) are always criticizing others just all the time, I guess I am so very used to it that I just assumed. Glad to hear that I was completely wrong with the way I interpreted it though. sorry for all the fireworks.
Author Pink Cupcakes Posted August 21, 2009 Author Posted August 21, 2009 Did you see the movie He's Just Not That Into You? He's the one married to Jennifer Connelly in the movie.
EarthGirl Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 Like I said, I remember him from several years ago in Alias. I have not seen him in anything recent, and I still haven't seen He's just not that into you, I'm not sure I'm going to. But I know he's also in that movie with Zack Galifianakis(sp?), the Hangover. That one I kinda wanted to see, it looks funny. I remember him from Alias as the first time I saw him and then I did not see him for a while, maybe he had a dry spell, or was just doing stuff more low profile stuff that I did not know about.
Author Pink Cupcakes Posted August 21, 2009 Author Posted August 21, 2009 Yep,didn't really watch that show too much, though, but silverfish, google Bradley Cooper on images and you'll see him. http://img.listal.com/image/573187/500full-bradley-cooper.jpg
Thornton Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 I am 35. I was actually looking at it from the viewpoint that we are made to believe that women my age and older are made to believe by (some) men in our agegroup that we are a sad lot because the men our age want women in their 20s. The post is saying "Hey, look at Brad Cooper, he could have younger women, he is choosing to date women who are actually slightly older. Bradley Cooper probably has different motives for choosing a gf than the average guy. There isn't really any significant advantage to be gained by the average guy in choosing an older woman - all other things being equal, most guys would probably go for the younger model. But for Bradley Cooper it makes absolute sense to choose an older, more famous (more desperate?) woman who can boost his fame and probably get him movie roles and entry to A-list parties etc. Look at Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore... would anyone really care who he was if he hadn't married her?
V.Vixen Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 I didn't really NOTICE Bradley cooper until I saw The Hangover, and then I REALLY noticed him. :love:
Woggle Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 I didn't really NOTICE Bradley cooper until I saw The Hangover, and then I REALLY noticed him. :love: What a great movie that is. One of the funniest movies I have seen in a while.
Jersey Shortie Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 Poor Jennifer Anniston just can't keep a man. She could have Stephen Hawkins down a pit and she'd go off to fix herself an organic yoghurt botox meal and he'd manage to escape. You read the tabloids don't you. Just because TMZ writes it, doesn't make it true. Bradley Cooper probably has different motives for choosing a gf than the average guy. There isn't really any significant advantage to be gained by the average guy in choosing an older woman - all other things being equal, most guys would probably go for the younger model. That's because women are worthtless and men are wonderful. At least, that's what it seems men would like women to believe. Why should a woman even older or younger invest anything in a man if this is ultimately how men view women? Like we are worthless and men are wonderful and deserve the best and women deserve to be replaced and thought like peices of crap. We get it. Men are better. Women (unless they are 20) should stop wanting to be women and wanting love and affection while a man can live his whole life having these things. Thanks for giving us ladies something to look forward to. Guess the only real choice women have is using men for everything they are worth first before they kick us out the door. Nice way to have relationships no? But for Bradley Cooper it makes absolute sense to choose an older, more famous (more desperate?) woman who can boost his fame and probably get him movie roles and entry to A-list parties etc. Look at Ashton Kutcher and Demi Moore... would anyone really care who he was if he hadn't married her? I think for any average man to make the assumption that because an woman is older she is desperate, espically on someone that accomplished much more in life, shows a basica lack of respect for women.
Thornton Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 All other things being equal, men are likely to choose the younger, more beautiful woman. All other things being equal, women are likely to choose the richer, taller, more powerful man. That doesn't mean that either gender is worthless, or that other factors aren't important, because usually all other things are not equal. And I don't think it's inaccurate to say that pretty much everyone gets more desperate as they get older and their time to find a suitable partner starts running short. Perhaps it's more pronounced for women, because their marital value often tends to decline with time (looks and fertility decrease) while a man's marital value increases with time (money and power increase).
Trialbyfire Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 All other things being equal, men are likely to choose the younger, more beautiful woman.You're 30, aren't you? So, how do you feel about this generalized statement? Do you get passed over often?
Thornton Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 You're 30, aren't you? So, how do you feel about this generalized statement? Do you get passed over often? Oh yes, I've noticed that men of 30 want to date women of 23, and the guys who want to date me are pushing 40. I can't say it makes me happy; I'd prefer a guy my own age - but I guess I can't complain because I'm equally judgmental about men - I'd prefer to date a professional man with a decent salary, who must be taller than me and have a college degree. So although I don't like being passed over because of my age, I guess the guys I pass over because they're too short or don't have a good job aren't too pleased about that either.
Trialbyfire Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 Oh yes, I've noticed that men of 30 want to date women of 23, and the guys who want to date me are pushing 40. I can't say it makes me happy; I'd prefer a guy my own age - but I guess I can't complain because I'm equally judgmental about men - I'd prefer to date a professional man with a decent salary, who must be taller than me and have a college degree. So although I don't like being passed over because of my age, I guess the guys I pass over because they're too short or don't have a good job aren't too pleased about that either.Okay, I understand. You're speaking from personal experience.
calizagg Posted August 21, 2009 Posted August 21, 2009 Age is the number 1 most important factor for men when choosing a mate. For every younger man and older woman there are 100 couples in which the woman is younger and the man is older. You do not even notice this because it looks natural, and it is so common. It is like saying that midget from Fantasy Island gets women, then extrapolating it to "I guess girls do not like taller guys after all!"
Jersey Shortie Posted August 22, 2009 Posted August 22, 2009 Throton, I think you leave something very basic and human out of your posts. Chemistry. I have dated men that were stock brokers to men that made 30-40k a year. It as based on chemistry. And I am only a few years younger then you and I have no problem getting hit on by men my own age.
Thornton Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 I think that at around the age of 30 there's a fundamental change in men regarding the women they want to date. A woman of 25 has quite a lot of fertile years left and isn't in a hurry for marriage and babies, so men of the same age are happy to date them. But single women of 30 are (more often than not) looking to get married and have babies in the next few years. That's when guys start looking for women younger than themselves - the point at which women of their own age start to hear their biological clocks ticking. The guys typically want a younger woman whose biological clock isn't ticking yet - unless the guys themselves want to settle down, then they actively look for a woman who wants the same. Unfortunately the 30-ish professional men I encounter typically want to carry on having fun for a few more years before they think about wives and babies; hence why they don't want to date me, a 30yo woman who wants those things in the near future, and who will be a little too old for it by the time they decide they want it themselves. The guys who are ready to settle down with a loudly ticking 30yo are typically guys in the late 30s/early 40s - guys who wouldn't consider women of their own age because they're past the age for having kids. To summarise: Men end up dating younger women either because they're not ready to settle down yet so they want a younger woman who's also not ready, or because they are ready to settle down and women their own age are too old to have kids so they date younger. Women date older men because men their own age aren't ready for kids (they're too busy having no-strings relationships with 23yos), or because they're past fertility and men their age want younger, fertile women. 30 seems to be (roughly) the magic age at which this split happens, at which women start wanting marriage and babies while men still want to play the field.
MadDriver Posted August 23, 2009 Posted August 23, 2009 Throton, I think you leave something very basic and human out of your posts. Chemistry. I have dated men that were stock brokers to men that made 30-40k a year. It as based on chemistry. And I am only a few years younger then you and I have no problem getting hit on by men my own age. Jersey Shortie, you're under thirty? Wow... Based on your posts, I'd have guessed you were 40, if not 45+. Your longer posts are are insightful, interesting, and always have a moral. They seem to be written by a person possessing a lot of experience. A person with a inner strength built from many battles won and lost. You really are wise beyond your years. Either that, or you just date a lot.
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