SCooke Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 I'm affraid this thread has devolved to some sort of anti-female venting. I, for one, am happy that women now have more say, more influence and say in their own lives. The institution of marriage has long been unfair to women, and it's a good thing we're progressing...Also, women are not the only ones that have this "fantasy" idea of a relationship. We men do to. We've been thought to expect women to be loyal, subserviant and pretty much a supporting player in the household. These are also fantasies. That's why we freak out when women take control of their lives and act. The reason relationships don't last these days is because BOTH men and women have not been able to adapt to the changing social and cultural environment...Also, the reason women inititate more breakups and divorces is not that they have more power, control or they give up more on love. It's because they are more AWARE of the state of the relationship and by the time the relationship has broken down, they've processed things much better. Men tend to wait until there's a crisis. i mean just look at how many stories there are where guy messes up and hurts the woman during the relationship, the woman has enough and breaks it, then the guy figures out "oh dang, i can't live without her." yeah this scenario happens the other way around too, but definetly not as much.
Woggle Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 I'm affraid this thread has devolved to some sort of anti-female venting. I, for one, am happy that women now have more say, more influence and say in their own lives. The institution of marriage has long been unfair to women, and it's a good thing we're progressing...Also, women are not the only ones that have this "fantasy" idea of a relationship. We men do to. We've been thought to expect women to be loyal, subserviant and pretty much a supporting player in the household. These are also fantasies. That's why we freak out when women take control of their lives and act. The reason relationships don't last these days is because BOTH men and women have not been able to adapt to the changing social and cultural environment...Also, the reason women inititate more breakups and divorces is not that they have more power, control or they give up more on love. It's because they are more AWARE of the state of the relationship and by the time the relationship has broken down, they've processed things much better. Men tend to wait until there's a crisis. i mean just look at how many stories there are where guy messes up and hurts the woman during the relationship, the woman has enough and breaks it, then the guy figures out "oh dang, i can't live without her." yeah this scenario happens the other way around too, but definetly not as much. I hope you get a nice pat on the head from all the women.
SCooke Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Just because you'r ex was mean to you, doesn't mean all women are!
Woggle Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Just because you'r ex was mean to you, doesn't mean all women are! I never said all women are but a man has to have very good instincts and have the spine to call it quits when he needs to if he wants to be lucky in love. You sound like you are one of those guys who try to score brownie points with women by constantly taking their side in discussions like this.
Trialbyfire Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 SCooke, don't let the resident misogynists shame you with their divisionary tactics. Stick to your guns if it's what you believe. I'm quite enjoying your posts.
silic0ntoad Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Look, I love women. All kinds of women. Tall, short, skinny, thick. Whatever. If it weren't for them, I'd jump off the golden gate bridge. I am not externally pointing fingers. I have character flaws. So do women I date. But where the BIG issue really is, are you WILLING to accept my character flaws, as I do yours, and love me for me, as I love you for you, and help me fix mine to better suit you, as I would for you? Men have an insane amount of pressure put on them to be exceedinly, oozingly romantic, exceptionally built, perfectly balanced, overly understanding. It's all bullsh*t. It's falsehoods spit out by hollywood to create drama. The facts are facts. 3/4's of divorces are filed by women. Granted, a small percentage MAY in fact be because a man is too lazy to do it, but the institution of divorce is inherently flawed. Any way you slice it, there is a major MAJOR problem with the mindset of both MEN and WOMEN when it comes to marriage/comittment. Both parties are guilty.
SCooke Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 I never said all women are but a man has to have very good instincts and have the spine to call it quits when he needs to if he wants to be lucky in love. You sound like you are one of those guys who try to score brownie points with women by constantly taking their side in discussions like this. Well even if I was doing this just to get brownie points, it's a much better strategy than the one you got, ain't it? Where's your brownie at? I just take the sensible position on this type of arguments. There's no way you can think that relationships are devolving because of ONE sex! It's ridiculous. Men have long had priviledges and advantages, and if you can't recognize that, I don't know if we can even have a reasonable argument. So all I'm saying is it's only fair that women are having more say and rights. If you can't accept that, you end up resentful and bitter. Come on man, this is 2009. Get over it!
SCooke Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 3/4 of divorces are filed by women (not sure if this stat is correct, but let's assume it is) because the marriage is not working for them. divroces happen when the marriage is not working for one or both parties. So, this stat if anything tells me that we have far to go in finding the right compromises in relationship. The compromises made in marriage are still tilted in the favor of men. That's why women leave. It's just not working for them! So, as men, we can sit here and blame "evil women with their fantasies" or we can look deeper and work harder to find the right set of compromises that can work for BOTH. Remember that the other side is just looking for happiness and self worth and live a purposeful life just like we do.
silic0ntoad Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Well even if I was doing this just to get brownie points, it's a much better strategy than the one you got, ain't it? Where's your brownie at? I just take the sensible position on this type of arguments. There's no way you can think that relationships are devolving because of ONE sex! It's ridiculous. Men have long had priviledges and advantages, and if you can't recognize that, I don't know if we can even have a reasonable argument. So all I'm saying is it's only fair that women are having more say and rights. If you can't accept that, you end up resentful and bitter. Come on man, this is 2009. Get over it! In no way am I saying women should not have rights or privileges. Absolutely not. But I think in both cases people need to learn to accept things as they are. I don't care who the woman is. She could be Madonna. If you start to feel some type of way about our relationship, the fight for women's rights does not grant you the authority to shut up about it and say nothing. That's cowardice. And independant people are NOT cowards.
Woggle Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Well even if I was doing this just to get brownie points, it's a much better strategy than the one you got, ain't it? Where's your brownie at? ! I have no desire for a brownie because there is no respect that goes along with it. You are like a cute child who women pat on the head and go awww but 9 times out of 10 they will be attracted to the man who has the balls to put them in their place. I am a happily married man while you are pining for your woman to come back to you. I have read your posts and you sound like the typical nice guy. If you have a better strategy than me why am I the one that is actually successful in love
silic0ntoad Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 I have no desire for a brownie because there is no respect that goes along with it. You are like a cute child who women pat on the head and go awww but 9 times out of 10 they will be attracted to the man who has the balls to put them in their place. I am a happily married man while you are pining for your woman to come back to you. I have read your posts and you sound like the typical nice guy. If you have a better strategy than me why am I the one that is actually successful in love +1 on you there. LOL. I have a VERY independent friend. This girl is gorgeous. And she stays single because MOST guys will not have the spine to tell her what's good. The post above simply justifies that fact.
Thaddeus Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 3/4 of divorces are filed by women (not sure if this stat is correct, but let's assume it is) because the marriage is not working for them.It depends where you live. Here in Canada the rate is about 60%; it's higher or lower in other jurisdictions. The compromises made in marriage are still tilted in the favor of men.Um, 'scuse me? Read the innumerable stories of sexless marriages posted by men here on this site. ... we can look deeper and work harder to find the right set of compromises that can work for BOTH.Exactly right, no argument there. BOTH parties have to compromise. It's too easy now for a woman to just chuck it all and be rewarded by the misandrist judicial system for doing so. (By the way, why is it that whenever a fellow stands up for his rights and the rights of men in general, he's automatically labelled a misogynist?)
silic0ntoad Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Because it's easier, Thad. It's easier for us to partake the blame. I'll stand up for what I believe in. I've got rights too. Got a problem? Talk to the browning. He'll easily put those arguments to shame Both parties DO need to compromise. That's the problem. In EVERY relationship I've had personally, I'VE done ALL the compromising. Needless to say, that's done. LOL
Woggle Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Men need to realize that if they are called a misogynist it means they are doing something right. It is just a tactic to silence men who have a spine.
caramel c Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Please allow me to add my own personal frustration to the mix here: I am convinced that too many people are out there galavatting around with the wrong person, that it makes them unavailable for the right person when they come along, and this is a problem! If people would just be more realistic about themselves and the person in front of them, perhaps it wouldn't be so common to just become a girlfriend/boyfriend right away, and further, breakups would happen much sooner than later.
PinkToes Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 (By the way, why is it that whenever a fellow stands up for his rights and the rights of men in general, he's automatically labelled a misogynist?) Woggle isn't labeled a misogynist because he's standing up for the rights of men; he's labeled a misogynist because his many postings indicate that he hates women. And personally, I find his rants hilarious.
silic0ntoad Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Lol. Here's my take on the whole thing: Women, in general, have a new found sense of control. Men, in general, have softened up and are doormats. Let the abuse commence.
silic0ntoad Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 I hate these people. What people? -Confusion!-
Woggle Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Lol. Here's my take on the whole thing: Women, in general, have a new found sense of control. Men, in general, have softened up and are doormats. Let the abuse commence. Pretty much but the men who have not softened up are the real winners. Women get frustrated with the doormats because they have zero appeal and the doormats get chewed up and spit out by these empowered women. Also most of these empowered. women have zero appeal to the real men they desire for anything more than a cheap thrill. The few real men that are left have their pick of women to play around with and some of them even get lucky enough to find one of the few good women that are left.
caramel c Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 What people? -Confusion!- Everybody!! lol j/k not everybody. People who are *sshles in relationships. People who enter relationships when the person is clearly not for them. People who enter relationships hoping to change somebody into a more suitable version for them. People who do not break up the relationship for months or years after they have decided that its not the best match for them. People who cheat. People who clip their freakin nails in the office with their doors open!! Oh my what a day...
silic0ntoad Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Everybody!! lol j/k not everybody. People who are *sshles in relationships. People who enter relationships when the person is clearly not for them. People who enter relationships hoping to change somebody into a more suitable version for them. People who do not break up the relationship for months or years after they have decided that its not the best match for them. People who cheat. People who clip their freakin nails in the office with their doors open!! Oh my what a day... LOL. Well that's quite a list. I could add a few to that list, but I'm already a misogynist. Apparently. NL- Bad! Bad NL! For starting this evil, piggish thread! LOL
caramel c Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 LOL. Well that's quite a list. I could add a few to that list, but I'm already a misogynist. Apparently. NL- Bad! Bad NL! For starting this evil, piggish thread! LOL Oh believe me this is nothing. I could go on indefinitely... Today I unleash my inner turmoil. Enjoy!
silic0ntoad Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Oh believe me this is nothing. I could go on indefinitely... Today I unleash my inner turmoil. Enjoy! Yeah? I would listen. Go ahead and PM me. I'll take it all day. LOL. I have some unleashing to do myself!
Trialbyfire Posted August 19, 2009 Posted August 19, 2009 Oh woe is me, wimmins have done me so wrong. Nasty, nasty bunch. Stop with the victim attitude.
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