shadowplay Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Most Americans are fat. You kind of forget that if you live in/near a city but once you step into the heart of American (midwest, south) it's kind of astounding. I think this raises the bar for what people consider acceptable/healthy weights. But being overweight isn't healthy and shouldn't be encouraged.
shadowplay Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 My experience has been that there are a disproportionate number of hotties in Texas, I'm assuming warm weather and all that oil money has a lot to do with it. The worst place to go so far has been Wisconsin, it's like everyone there has somehow contracted a disease that causes them to swell .... Try places like Ohio (lived there for a few years), Nebraska, Oklahoma.
Vet Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 I'm guessing you're not a "skinny girl" by that response. I've got my standards and I don't think it's your place to validate or invalidate them. You're right, I'm a beefy man. You may have standards, as you say, but by your virtue of posting them in a public forum, it's definitely my place to place value judgments as I see fit. If you don't like it, don't post them.
Vet Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Most Americans are fat. You kind of forget that if you live in/near a city but once you step into the heart of American (midwest, south) it's kind of astounding. I think this raises the bar for what people consider acceptable/healthy weights. But being overweight isn't healthy and shouldn't be encouraged. For someone that has some very serious issues with her own body, I would be careful of throwing stones at others.
shadowplay Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 For someone that has some very serious issues with her own body, I would be careful of throwing stones at others. I'm not targeting anyone in particular, just pointing out a disturbing cultural trend that many, many people have written about. The weight of the average American has increased by 30 pounds since the sixties.
clv0116 Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 You're right, I'm a beefy man. You may have standards, as you say, but by your virtue of posting them in a public forum, it's definitely my place to place value judgments as I see fit. If you don't like it, don't post them. The value you place on them doesn't make them any less valid, and in fact you can rejoice in the knowledge that my share of fatties can be fought over by you and others who chase chubbers.
Vet Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 The value you place on them doesn't make them any less valid, and in fact you can rejoice in the knowledge that my share of fatties can be fought over by you and others who chase chubbers. Opinions like yours where the value of a person is placed solely on their dress size have zero validity, in my eyes. So, I'd disagree with this statement. But believe me, I do rejoice that there are people like you out there. You guys make me look good.
clv0116 Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Opinions like yours where the value of a person is placed solely on their dress size have zero validity, in my eyes. Why would any reasonable person assume I only care about dress size? Oh, the answer is in the question, never mind. "He likes red cars, therefore he will like ALL red cars" <- (My turn)
Vet Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 I'm not targeting anyone in particular, just pointing out a disturbing cultural trend that many, many people have written about. The weight of the average American has increased by 30 pounds since the sixties. Really, was that what you were doing? And I'm just pointing out that women that post threads devoted to giving attention to their own body issues might not want to start pointing out the problems of others. Your mileage may vary.
Vet Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Why would any reasonable person assume I only care about dress size? Oh, the answer is in the question, never mind. "He likes red cars, therefore he will like ALL red cars" <- (My turn) Gee.. where would a reasonable person get the idea that you place value judgments on people based solely on their dress size? The value you place on them doesn't make them any less valid, and in fact you can rejoice in the knowledge that my share of fatties can be fought over by you and others who chase chubbers. Tillie, size 8, is best. The 16 is pretty porky, the 12 is OK but I would try to avoid an LTR with her, she's probably gonna bloat into something terrible. Oh, now I remember.
clv0116 Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Gee.. where would a reasonable person get the idea that you place value judgments on people based solely on their dress size? Oh, now I remember. I'll spell it out for you, I guess some stereotypes about Texans might be true after all. The issue is the terms "value judgments" and "solely", "Tillie" passes my physical appearance standards but I'd have to get to know her. "solely" Other factors clearly come into play also. "value judgments" The fact I wouldn't date the fatties doesn't constitute a value judgement, it's just a simple matter of my taste in women and them not being up to my standards. Have a nice day!
shadowplay Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Really, was that what you were doing? And I'm just pointing out that women that post threads devoted to giving attention to their own body issues might not want to start pointing out the problems of others. Your mileage may vary. Frankly I don't care what you think. I'll point out that the average American is fat if I goddarn want to. Who are you to tell me what I should and shouldn't write?
shadowplay Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 I'll spell it out for you, I guess some stereotypes about Texans might be true after all. The issue is the terms "value judgments" and "solely", "Tillie" passes my physical appearance standards but I'd have to get to know her. "solely" Other factors clearly come into play also. "value judgments" The fact I wouldn't date the fatties doesn't constitute a value judgement, it's just a simple matter of my taste in women and them not being up to my standards. Have a nice day! Don't bother reasoning with somebody who doesn't use logic.
clv0116 Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Frankly I don't care what you think. I'll point out that the average American is fat if I goddarn want to. Who are you to tell me what I can and can't write? Who knows? He's all bent because I don't date fat chicks, as if that somehow negatively impacts his life in oil country.
BobSacamento Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 If you have a muffin top then you are not skinny.
Star Gazer Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 For someone that has some very serious issues with her own body, I would be careful of throwing stones at others. And I'm just pointing out that women that post threads devoted to giving attention to their own body issues might not want to start pointing out the problems of others. Your mileage may vary. No kidding! It's incredible, really.
shadowplay Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Who knows? He's all bent because I don't date fat chicks, as if that somehow negatively impacts his life in oil country. I generally keep my distance from people on here who have axes to grind or soap boxes to stand on. They don't tend to think in rational terms.
Pink Cupcakes Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Oh, don't get me wrong, I still think that AJ is gorgeous. As for the 40's thing, I do but then I tend to gauge women based on my Mom and aunts, which is kind of unfair I guess. ( Nope but you're welcome to use it, anytime!) People are biased about their moms and relatives. A person who saw them on the street would guess them to be closer to their age than you think, slightly older or younger than they actually are.
shadowplay Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 No kidding! It's incredible, really. Why? I'm not targeting an individual or hurting anybody's feelings. Because I have issues with my own body I'm not allowed to point out that the majority of Americans are overweight? Give me a break.
Author Lauriebell82 Posted August 18, 2009 Author Posted August 18, 2009 WOAH how did this thread get so big? I haven't even gotten a chance to respond to it!!! Didn't read all the responses but I'm gathering that we are talking about movie/tv stars and comparing them. IMO there are many forms of "skinny." Curvy skinny Straight down skinny Tall, lean skinny Small lean skinny Skeletal skinny (bones show) I'm sure there is more. It depends on the body type I think.
clv0116 Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 I'm sure there is more. It depends on the body type I think. I couldn't agree more.
Star Gazer Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Why? I'm not targeting an individual or hurting anybody's feelings. Because I have issues with my own body I'm not allowed to point out that the majority of Americans are overweight? Give me a break. Break given. But you and I (and everyone else here) both know that you pick apart everyone's appearance (particularly women), both generally and quite specifically. It's kinda odd, when you think about it. I'm not sure if you're just projecting when you pick on others' appearances or what, but it is disconcerting.
Fay Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 Frankly I don't care what you think. I'll point out that the average American is fat if I goddarn want to. Who are you to tell me what I should and shouldn't write? I keep telling you, you and my ex-husband C would run off into the sunset in eternal bliss. What the hell are you waiting for? I gave you his number!
Star Gazer Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 WOAH how did this thread get so big? I haven't even gotten a chance to respond to it!!! Didn't read all the responses but I'm gathering that we are talking about movie/tv stars and comparing them. IMO there are many forms of "skinny." Curvy skinny Straight down skinny Tall, lean skinny Small lean skinny Skeletal skinny (bones show) I'm sure there is more. It depends on the body type I think. At the end of the day, LB, all that matters is how YOU (and ostensibly, your fiance) feel about YOUR body... not what anyone else thinks, or what anyone else's body is like.
clv0116 Posted August 18, 2009 Posted August 18, 2009 I generally keep my distance from people on here who have axes to grind or soap boxes to stand on. They don't tend to think in rational terms. Better than standing on an ax or grinding a soapbox I guess? For what it's worth (and on topic!!!11!) the photo that started this ruckus is a bit of propaganda sent out by the "it's OK to be a fattie" movement. The size 8 is a big girl (tall, wide shoulders) and while she's yummy she's not typical. The size 12 is hiding a lot of herself and the 16 is clearly a little fat and not at all your typical size 16 tank on legs. I doubt ANY of those women are close to 5' 3 or 5' 4, which is the average height for women in the USA. In reality, to get a feel for what a typical size 8, 12, or 16 looks like you need to shorten those women substantially, diminish their shoulder widths a bit, and add significant sag and cellulite. They stay the same size around. Yummy. Not.
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