Hkizzle Posted August 9, 2009 Posted August 9, 2009 This is a question for the ladies. I won't even bother to elaborate. I just want to know if you think men can do it or not, and why.
TaraMaiden Posted August 9, 2009 Posted August 9, 2009 No. he can try, but if it ain't there naturally, it ain't there. And a 'falsely-created' chemistry is unsustainable.
Author Hkizzle Posted August 9, 2009 Author Posted August 9, 2009 ok, cool. I take back what I said in the OP. I want to hear from the guys as well, lol, to see if any differences in views.
Author Hkizzle Posted August 9, 2009 Author Posted August 9, 2009 And a 'falsely-created' chemistry is unsustainable. It doesn't have to be sustainable though, right? The whole idea of a falsely created chemistry is that it's deceptive and made to attract a female for sex. That's why I was asking if it's possible to create chemistry in the first place? I don't mean an average feeling either, but the real deal.
Thaddeus Posted August 9, 2009 Posted August 9, 2009 That's why I was asking if it's possible to create chemistry in the first place? I don't mean an average feeling either, but the real deal.Sure. A good PUA does this every day.
LucreziaBorgia Posted August 9, 2009 Posted August 9, 2009 Yes, men can fake being what they think a woman wants. It will only last as long as the facade does. I have to admit, it sucks getting the old bait and switch. I wouldn't suggest doing the fakin-it unless you are looking for your basic hit-and-quit.
TaraMaiden Posted August 9, 2009 Posted August 9, 2009 How can it be false AND the real deal? You forget that women are a lot more intuitive than you think. If you're faking it, you'll get one of three types: She'll see right through you, and drop you like a hot brick. She'll see right through you, but go along with it for the shag. She won't suspect a thing and will therefore be thick and desperate. yay you.
Thaddeus Posted August 9, 2009 Posted August 9, 2009 How can it be false AND the real deal?Oh, easy. Master PUAs can manipulate even the best women into thinking that it's the 'real deal' when it's completely false. It doesn't mean they're weak or have some sort of character flaw, it's just that the PUA, when he's on his game, is so good that you cannot tell the false from the real. It is no different from a gold-digger manipulating a man into thinking that she truly loves him, when in fact she's just after his money. Yes, some of them are that good. Happens all the time. Here's another "I would NEVER fall for that sort of thing, and those who do are damaged or just plain stupid!" scenario:She won't suspect a thing and will therefore be thick and desperate.We've been over this before, but the fact remains that some of these guys are so good that their target really has no idea they're being played. One's intelligence, confidence, self-assuredness and all the rest is of no consequence. On the contrary, it's those specifically who are self-aware and all the rest that make such good targets for PUA-style tactics. They convince themselves that nobody can pull the wool over their eyes because they believe their intuition and 'gut feel' is strong and never leads them astray. I know I won't be able to convince you otherwise, and that's ok. All I'm saying is that one doesn't have to be 'thick and desperate' to get drawn into the PUA's web.
playlislay Posted August 9, 2009 Posted August 9, 2009 I have my own theory on this......... I feel that it is "us" (the one that is being flirted with) that creates the feelings-or chemicals-of chemistry. You know that lovey dovey buzz you get when someone feels like they are connected to you? That feeling is created by our own brain. Happy chemicals are released into the body and Bob's your uncle! You feel like you have 'chemistry' with someone. Ive had a few moments where I thought I had chemistry with someone, just by their actions and words. But it turns out that they werent interested and it was I who was creating those feelings. Chemistry, to me, is when two people connect with words and actions. The conversation will bounce and flow, they say the rights things, open doors, make you smile, etc etc. Scenario: Office girl wants a promotion from her male boss (yes, I know, a very lame example). You could stand back and watch how she uses her body language, takes a keen interest in what he has to say/hobbies and always seems to be smiling and laughing with him. Obviously this is under the terms of her manipulating the situation, and not just generally wanting tio be with him or be friendly. The boss on the other hand thinks that there might be something 'there' between the two of them.............and thats all down to him being somewhat happy by her actions and words. Does anyone see where I am coming from? We create the chemicals of 'chemistry' due to our observation and liking of the other person.
TaraMaiden Posted August 9, 2009 Posted August 9, 2009 THADDEUS, (I think the misunderstanding may be arising because I'm not sure what a PUA is.....) But I do see your point.... there are more than three types of women out there, I know. I just don't like being taken for a schmuck, and I would object to some guy projecting a false persona of himself just to get between my legs.... so i'd fall, probably into category 1.... to be honest.....but it may not be immediate. Some women may also hold on out of sheer desperation in the hope of making it true.... or because they fear nothing better will come along..... In any case, is it a healthy basis upon which to build an encounter? To basically lie about what you're like? My point was that sustainability would count for something. Dropping the mask, after a while reveals a dishonest person who is actually so un-confident about what his abilities are in the pulling stakes, that he'll adopt an alien persona, because as himself, he's a total loser. Shame, huh?
Author Hkizzle Posted August 10, 2009 Author Posted August 10, 2009 My point was that sustainability would count for something. Dropping the mask, after a while reveals a dishonest person who is actually so un-confident about what his abilities are in the pulling stakes, that he'll adopt an alien persona, because as himself, he's a total loser. Shame, huh? Yeah but sustainability would only be important if your goal in the first place is to look for a sustainable long term relationship. If your aim is for sex, then that's different. There's also many nice guys that learn PUA techniques because they're tired of being nice and ignored, and learn PUA techniques to boost their charm and confidence. I disagree with you that women who fall for fakers are desperate and dumb. I know plenty of professionals from lawyers to bankers that fall for players. Just look at this board, so many women come here and basically saying they're being played and asking what to do. Thing is, they're already emotionally attached. That's my point, most women, but the time they realize the guy is not serious, he's long gone, but at the beginning the woman feels real chemistry.
Green Posted August 10, 2009 Posted August 10, 2009 I don't know what facke chemestry is? A man can flirt with a girl and get her all hot and bothered... ask for he number and never call sure. A man can lie to a woman and say he loves her, sleep with her, and then move onto the next woman... sure but women can do this stuff to men too. What is artificaly create connection. like I gues you could some how trick a girl into thinking she is into you by lying like telling them your a spaceman or some sht
Author Hkizzle Posted August 10, 2009 Author Posted August 10, 2009 I don't know what facke chemestry is? A man can flirt with a girl and get her all hot and bothered... ask for he number and never call sure. A man can lie to a woman and say he loves her, sleep with her, and then move onto the next woman... sure but women can do this stuff to men too. What is artificaly create connection. like I gues you could some how trick a girl into thinking she is into you by lying like telling them your a spaceman or some sht Sure, can work both ways. What I mean is the person being seduced is feeling real love/connection/chemistry, whilst the otherr person has deliberately used strategies to create the feeling.
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