celebratedsummer Posted August 6, 2009 Posted August 6, 2009 I looked at his youtube videos and read some of his blog, and what disturbed me most was that i found myself identifying with so much of his loneliness and rage. I'm about to turn 23, have never had a girlfriend, and no longer have any true friends. I'm completely unsatisfied with my life and have become extremely depressed. I differ to him in that i don't have his hatred towards women, but who knows, a few more years like this and that will probably happen. I'm well on the road to becoming another George Sodini. If i freak out in a couple of years then this thread will be a testament to that. ok i'm joking about that last part but only slightly.
JustLooking123 Posted August 6, 2009 Posted August 6, 2009 Get psychiatric help. Seriously. You do have the ability to change things for yourself, if you are willing to put in the effort.
Els Posted August 6, 2009 Posted August 6, 2009 Most of the feelings/circumstances that 'drove' people to commit such heinous crimes are really quite common. Loneliness? Broken family? Racism? Many, many people share the same emotions; it's just that those people chose to throw off all conscience and restraint and do crazy stuff because of it. It's how you react that matters. But for that matter, if your desperation for a partner is such that you can 'identify' with him, then yes, you SHOULD seek professional help, not a partner. But if it's plain ol' loneliness, everyone has a bout sometimes, you're really quite normal.
SoulSearch_CO Posted August 6, 2009 Posted August 6, 2009 I'm going to have to pass on some incredible wisdom that one of the responders to his video wrote: He should have lowered his standards then he could've got laid....worked for me!!! True, dat - brother. True, dat. Some of the lonely guys on this board that post their pure desperation and have really bad attitudes really make me nervous. I can think of a few off the top of my head. I won't name names. But maybe the isp addys should be passed along to law enforcement.
dreamergrl Posted August 6, 2009 Posted August 6, 2009 I'm going to have to pass on some incredible wisdom that one of the responders to his video wrote: True, dat - brother. True, dat. Some of the lonely guys on this board that post their pure desperation and have really bad attitudes really make me nervous. I can think of a few off the top of my head. I won't name names. But maybe the isp addys should be passed along to law enforcement. Oh name the names, you know you wanna
SoulSearch_CO Posted August 6, 2009 Posted August 6, 2009 No way. My luck, they'll decide to come to my area and open fire in a fitness class. And I was considering picking up pilates and yoga.
dreamergrl Posted August 6, 2009 Posted August 6, 2009 No way. My luck, they'll decide to come to my area and open fire in a fitness class. And I was considering picking up pilates and yoga. Yeah... I think I'm going to get my exercise else wise. But hey... don't forget, according to some it's all our fault
Hkizzle Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 I looked at his youtube videos and read some of his blog, and what disturbed me most was that i found myself identifying with so much of his loneliness and rage. I'm about to turn 23, have never had a girlfriend, and no longer have any true friends. I'm completely unsatisfied with my life and have become extremely depressed. I differ to him in that i don't have his hatred towards women, but who knows, a few more years like this and that will probably happen. I'm well on the road to becoming another George Sodini. If i freak out in a couple of years then this thread will be a testament to that. ok i'm joking about that last part but only slightly. You sir, are an average frustrated chump. A term coined in the book "The Game" by Neil Strauss. Go buy the book, it's a good read. Then go buy all the pick up artist books and turn your life around.
Isolde Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 Honestly, everyone has a little crazy in them. Elswyth makes a profound statement when she says that everyone feels the same basic emotions (and this is nothing to be ashamed of!) but act on them differently.
dreamergrl Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 Guys, this is clearly a troll. Like... maybe it's Mr. George/Jaded Dude himself?
Hkizzle Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 Guys, this is clearly a troll. If he is a troll he still needs help for his sick sense of humor. Messed up people often don't realize they're messed up!
Meaplus3 Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 Hi CS. I'm sorry to hear your feeling this way. But, it's good that you can recognize it. It sounds to me like you want help to get past how your feeling. That is such a good thing. Have you ever thought of talking to a therapist? Do you have a close famliy member you can talk to? Mea:)
Sam Spade Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 Honestly, everyone has a little crazy in them. Elswyth makes a profound statement when she says that everyone feels the same basic emotions (and this is nothing to be ashamed of!) but act on them differently. While there is no way to excuse what that dude - and others like him - did, it's partially our fault. Most people feel the emotions he has described at one point in life. the problem is that it can very easily become a vicious circle of ever increasing alienation, then dissolution of boundaries, then increasing alienation, until there are no boundaries left - or nothing at all to connect those people to the other people. While mental issues obviously play a role, this is not the kind of exotic and drastic that we'd associate with the hardcore psychiatric yards/asylums, or at least not always. Manageable mental health issues can get entagled in the viscious circle and lead to disaster. That's why every time something like this happens you hear the neighbors repeat the exact same thing - "he looked like an average guy", "i'd never think he could do sometnihg like that", etc. etc. etc. Well, if we - individually and as a society - were able and willing to show some more emphaty, I'd imagine that there would be less people that cross the final boundaris. There is no substitute for personal responsibility, but the point i precisely that such people just give up completely. I'm just saying that I'm not surprised that there are many people that could identify with him. they will never commit murder, but the really scary part is that under the right set of unfortunate circumstances we are probably not as different from him as we'd hope. No doubt, I'd shoot him if i happened to be around and could prevent all this, but I'd still understand. How many times have we helped a stranger in distress? Who knows, giving a homeless dude a meal could be the difference between himt trying to do the right thing vs. taking his rageit all out on random victims.
EddieN Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 Guys, this is clearly a troll. This could be a troll, but I think what this Sodini guy strikes hard with a lot of lonely guys. I'm not surprised if a few totally different posters bring this event up. There's nothing wrong with relating to this man's emotions, or any other troubled person's for that matter. It's good that you're getting it off your chest. It would be wrong, however, to handle your emotions like Sodini. I personally can relate to Ted Kaczynski thoughts and philosophies about technology (many people dismiss his infamous essay because of his actions, but it's actually a very interesting read). Does that mean I condone what he did? Of course not. He was an incredibly troubled man that was so much of an intellectual genius that he couldn't relate to anybody, so he took it out on the world through his bombings. I can relate to his thoughts and feelings, but Ted Kaczynski himself is a testament to why it's so totally wrong to take out your anger in a violent way.
Meaplus3 Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 Well, if we - individually and as a society - were able and willing to show some more emphaty, I'd imagine that there would be less people that cross the final boundaris.. Boy do I agree with this. It would be great if some how our soceity could flip the switch and make that turn. Could be the solution. Mea:)
espec10001 Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 My solution to the OP: find a hobby! Don't resort to violence because you aren't good at women. I used to have no problem around girls and I had a lot of girlfriends during highschool and college, but my heart was broken one too many times. Now I just don't care, if a woman likes me for me then great, if not then I have a goal of great artistic achievement that keeps me going. Music for me has replaced the need for constant female companionship. Instead of focusing on pro-creating a child through a romantic relationship, I am focusing on pro-creating something different. Instead of focusing on love for females now, I focus on music and art. My love has transformed to artistic endeavors. As crazy as it sounds, I have developed love for a special guitar. I've surprised myself about what I can do on the guitar now and I would have never had the opportunity if I was still chasing girls. Women now come at a distant third or forth behind music, art, family, and friends. Bottom line is if you aren't getting love from women, find something else in life that you can get love from, there are many different kinds of love in the world, not just Martian or Venutian love!
Woggle Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 I can relate to being fed up with women but I just can't justify what this guy did. I don't relate to him either. Those women that he shot could have been perfectly good women that had nothing to do with the drama that so many men put up with from SOME women. I have no desire to go out and harm women at all. I just simply have a hard time trusting them and they have to prove through actions that they are trustworthy..
espec10001 Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 I can relate to being fed up with women but I just can't justify what this guy did. I don't relate to him either. Those women that he shot could have been perfectly good women that had nothing to do with the drama that so many men put up with from SOME women. I have no desire to go out and harm women at all. I just simply have a hard time trusting them and they have to prove through actions that they are trustworthy.. Couldn't have said it better myself. I know there are good, genuine women out there, but boy are they hard to find!
Woggle Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 Couldn't have said it better myself. I know there are good, genuine women out there, but boy are they hard to find! They are but refusing to be a doormat helps to weed out the ones who are not worth it. Women who get off on using and hurting men know a sucker when they see him and I am in no way shape or form a sucker.
espec10001 Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 They are but refusing to be a doormat helps to weed out the ones who are not worth it. Women who get off on using and hurting men know a sucker when they see him and I am in no way shape or form a sucker. Exactly, I've sort of developed this radar or sense that goes off when I am around females like this. Unfortunately there are a lot of women out there who feed on the attention of men to inflate their egos. I just walked by a female whom fooled me earlier but now I steer clear of her!
Woggle Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 Exactly, I've sort of developed this radar or sense that goes off when I am around females like this. Unfortunately there are a lot of women out there who feed on the attention of men to inflate their egos. I just walked by a female whom fooled me earlier but now I steer clear of her! I have that radar as well. I can spot a toxic woman from a mile away. I have very good instincts when it comes to this.
utterer of lies Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 Well, if we - individually and as a society - were able and willing to show some more emphaty, I'd imagine that there would be less people that cross the final boundaris. There is no substitute for personal responsibility, but the point i precisely that such people just give up completely. How many times have we helped a stranger in distress? Who knows, giving a homeless dude a meal could be the difference between himt trying to do the right thing vs. taking his rageit all out on random victims. Blah blah blah it's society's fault. Errr, no it isn't. And did you think through what you are proposing? Some woman should give up their lives and marry those weak losers in order to appease them, to prevent another killing spree? Sounds a bit like slavery. Or maybe state-sponsored prostitutes for omega-males? Because empathy was not what Sodini wanted.
utterer of lies Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 Boy do I agree with this. It would be great if some how our soceity could flip the switch and make that turn. Could be the solution. Yay, rainbows and fluffy pink unicorns for everyone. Say, do you also believe in Santa Claus and the Easter Bunny?
utterer of lies Posted August 7, 2009 Posted August 7, 2009 Women now come at a distant third or forth behind music, art, family, and friends. Bottom line is if you aren't getting love from women, find something else in life that you can get love from, there are many different kinds of love in the world, not just Martian or Venutian love! This is very sad. You advise him to give up hope, lower his expectations to zero and start...playing an instrument? Getting a puppy? Some people...but well, if it makes you happy.
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