Porn

[You'reasian]

In a manner of speaking, I would be degraded if a random man sued me to masturbate. Because basically, he is just using me to get off. Nothing more.

 

A most unusual case. I hope he didn't win.

[You'reasian]

Yes, that is true and while I don't agree with that either, I don't want to see either gender treated thus, the plain truth is that 95% of the time it's women that are being humilated and exploited. And it's more likely that the man of the family is looking at something that degrades women then it is his wife is looking at something that degrades men. There is not the boon of porn that humilates men that there is that humilates women. Women have nothing equal to the porn industry in terms of something they enjoy that demeans an entire gender.

 

It absolutley makes sense. Our society would not tolerate the degradement of a religious or ethinic culture even if it was under the pretext of being "fantasy" for just the thrill and fun of it to. Why do we allow the degradement of women under the pretext of "fantasy"? I infact think this a very fair question. If you can bring up other forms of fantasy, I.E. movies and video games, how is this situation also not comparable. Expand your mind. It's ironic that in this day and age where we are very sensitive to ethnic and culture groups that we still allow the debasement of the female gender under the guise of "it's just fantasy". But we would never as a culture allow the debasement of a certain group of people related to culture or ethinicity, that included men as well, and shrug our shoulds and say "it's just fantasy and good fun". People would be up in arms! It is a man's world and the men in it do not care enough about women in general, or their own wives, gfs or daughters by extension of being women, to offer respect to women.

 

JS, I hear you but you're really in the dumps about this.

 

Maybe you should get out and do something different? Try a new hobby or something?

[sxyNYCcpl]

I will answer all questions when the male poster here start answering all mine. Untill then, I see no reason to continue answering every questions while mine go unanswered. You can cry foul but you and Sxy are big offenders of avoiding many questions I ask of the male posters.

 

If I miss a question you think is important, then call me out on it. I never intentionally dodge something, but as you and I can both be prolific (read: wordy) sometimes things get missed. Here are 3 questions, simple questions, 2 of which I have already asked on this thread that I would like your answers to.

 

1- Is it degrading to women, and if so how, for a 40 year old couple to knowingly and by choice film their marital sexual activities and put it online to share?

2- In the scenario I outlined (on page 11 of this thread if you missed it) about the little show myself and others witnessed yesterday degrading to women, and if so how? Would it be degrading had it been filmed and distributed, either privately or publicly? (Assume full consent of all involved.)

3- How can it be that *all* porn (per multiple statements you have made) degrades women when some porn doesn't even HAVE women?

[missdependant]

Yes, that is true and while I don't agree with that either, I don't want to see either gender treated thus, the plain truth is that 95% of the time it's women that are being humilated and exploited. And it's more likely that the man of the family is looking at something that degrades women then it is his wife is looking at something that degrades men. There is not the boon of porn that humilates men that there is that humilates women. Women have nothing equal to the porn industry in terms of something they enjoy that demeans an entire gender.

 

 

You don't even watch it, so how would you even know? I'd really like to know HOW you know so much about the subject when you claim you don't watch any of it. Yes, there is some porn that demeans women. There is also porn that shows women having fun together (lesbian porn) where there isn't a single man involved. Not only that, but there are women out there who produce and direct porn (Belladonna and Jill Kelly are major examples). There isn't a boon of porn about ANY single subject. There are so many different categories to choose from. You wouldn't know though, because you don't watch it. If you're going to offer an opinion or criticize something, at least have the decency to have knowledge of the subject.

 

You have no REAL knowledge of the subject. Everything you know comes from your insecurities. Which is actually very sad. I feel very sorry for you.

[Jersey Shortie]

A most unusual case. I hope he didn't win.

 

That was pretty funny.

 

 

JS, I hear you but you're really in the dumps about this.

 

Maybe you should get out and do something different? Try a new hobby or something?

 

So you understand what I am saying but you think I should remain unaffected? Despite how women are infact protrayed in porn and how men that have daughters, wives and gfs eat that crap up? And women should entrust in their men love and respect when it doesn't seem like men can entrust the same, least not respect.

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If I miss a question you think is important, then call me out on it. I never intentionally dodge something, but as you and I can both be prolific (read: wordy) sometimes things get missed. Here are 3 questions, simple questions, 2 of which I have already asked on this thread that I would like your answers to.

 

What a cop out. Yes, we both tend to be prolific (thanks I have a big vocab and am pretty astute despite your help) but you still ignore many questions I pose in my own threads and carry forth with your OWN agenda. And you ask me quetions that I INFACT have answered for your before in other threads. You are a hypocrite accusing me of question deflection but carrying on in your own agenda without addressing any of my questions that I have posed regularly through out the thread. You're comments completely disregard and ignore any of the comments I have made. Again to suit your own agenda. I don't really care about your questions because you never made an honest attempt to answer any of mine. You can't even tell me what my questions are because you probably glossed over them and ignored them. You don't just "miss' questions, you ignore them.

 

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You don't even watch it, so how would you even know?

 

Someone else asked this and I previously addressed it. If you missed it, that's not my problem.

 

If you're going to offer an opinion or criticize something, at least have the decency to have knowledge of the subject.

 

You should really pay more attention before you make completely unfounded accusations.

 

You have no REAL knowledge of the subject. Everything you know comes from your insecurities. Which is actually very sad. I feel very sorry for you.

 

I feel sorry for you Miss Independent. You are so brittle and shrill at times. And not very well informed yourself on matters yuo've decided to form opinions on.

[Vet]

I feel sorry for you Miss Independent. You are so brittle and shrill at times. And not very well informed yourself on matters yuo've decided to form opinions on.

 

This is hilarious.

 

Pot. Kettle. Something. Something. Black.

[Sam Spade]

Hang on a second! --> How is being paid $2,000-$,3000 per scene (or $100-300k a year) "exploitative" of women? Whether or not they "like" their job is irrelevant. Most people don't like their jobs but would probably happily take this kind of pay home and not complain too much about the mundane, soul-crushing aspects of it (ask any cubicle drone).

As far as I'm concerned, working for $5 and hour at the fast food place is in some ways more degrading than being an entertainer in the adult busines.

[Jersey Shortie]

Of coures, all women make that kind of money an become rich in nano-seconds. They become so rich, they can get in and out (pun intended) and that's the real reason behind the high turn-over in the industry. Nevermind that it's about 2% of women that truly make a name form themselves compared to the billions of girls that walk through those doors daily. Nevermind that the average span of a girl in porn is 6 months-a year. It is of course because she got super rich in that time frame and the second she was ready to take her clothes off she was making tons of money on the first shot. (Really hope you're getting my sarcasm here)

 

I think you need to do some back round research on the truth of the industry. The image the movies project is not what goes on behind the scene. Just because women get paid to do it, doesn't mean it's not explotive. Most women are not being rich from it.

[missdependant]

 

Someone else asked this and I previously addressed it. If you missed it, that's not my problem.

 

 

 

You should really pay more attention before you make completely unfounded accusations.

 

 

 

I feel sorry for you Miss Independent. You are so brittle and shrill at times. And not very well informed yourself on matters yuo've decided to form opinions on.

 

 

I have paid attention to other posts where you say you hate porn and don't watch it. But I'm not gonna lie, I don't live on the forums or read EVERY single word you write. Your posts are long-winded and boring most of the time; and the grammar and spelling is usually pretty horrendous. However, I do recall you saying how you don't watch porn because it is degrading to women in a past thread.

 

And to add to SamSpade's comment.. yes, these women make a lot of money.. it's almost as if they aren't being degraded at all and they're actually being empowered.

[Jersey Shortie]

Clearly you haven't paid attention to posts. Or you would know the answer to your own questions and you would know that I never said I hated porn.

 

Your inane drivel reminds of of the teacher from Charlie Brown MissIndependent.. "wahh wahh wahh wahhh". I love how you attempt to take a weak shot at my typing and spelling skills. Not one person here can not argue tha I am infact articulate. I never made any bones about my inability to spell or lack of typing and it does not embarress me when others try to point it out as if they are unlocking some big secret or think that they are putting me down. Anyone with a grain of intelligence knows that that spelling and intelligence are not mutually exclusive.

[AAlike]

Well, it's unfortunete that you feel the things you have to say are not intelligent. While I disagree with many people here, I haven't run into too many complete idiots here. I stand by my comments in comparison to pornography and racism. We would never be able to treat a religious group or cultural one like we can treat women through porn. You could never call a jew a racist name, use them, degrade them in the guise of "fantasy" like you can with women. There is nothing illogical about it.

 

you are approaching self-parody, JS...

 

do you understand that things that are said during sex (which, obviously the porn movie is replicating) are not to be taken literally? personally, I'm not much of a "dirty talker" - I actually find it to be kind of silly and prefer to be a listener - but the few times that I have said things that you would probably consider "degrading" during sex was because my partner was into dirty talk and her experience was enhanced by these "degrading" things, so I obliged.

 

now obviously if I recontextualized these things and said them outside of the sexual experience, or to a random stranger, then yes, that's pretty unacceptable. this comparsion is beyond apples and oranges - it's more like apples and baseballs or something to that effect.

[missdependant]

Clearly you haven't paid attention to posts. Or you would know the answer to your own questions and you would know that I never said I hated porn.

 

Your inane drivel reminds of of the teacher from Charlie Brown MissIndependent.. "wahh wahh wahh wahhh". I love how you attempt to take a weak shot at my typing and spelling skills. Not one person here can not argue tha I am infact articulate. I never made any bones about my inability to spell or lack of typing and it does not embarress me when others try to point it out as if they are unlocking some big secret or think that they are putting me down. Anyone with a grain of intelligence knows that that spelling and intelligence are not mutually exclusive.

 

I never said it means you're unintelligent. But if you want to defend that case, go ahead!

 

It does make me less likely to read your posts though. What I AM saying is that a few sentences of gibberish is painful enough, let alone paragraph upon paragraph upon paragraph of self-righteous preaching. Therefore, I don't read everything that you write. That would take up hours and hours of my day; which I simply don't have or want to set aside for you.

[Vet]

Clearly you haven't paid attention to posts. Or you would know the answer to your own questions and you would know that I never said I hated porn.

 

Your inane drivel reminds of of the teacher from Charlie Brown MissIndependent.. "wahh wahh wahh wahhh". I love how you attempt to take a weak shot at my typing and spelling skills. Not one person here can not argue tha I am infact articulate. I never made any bones about my inability to spell or lack of typing and it does not embarress me when others try to point it out as if they are unlocking some big secret or think that they are putting me down. Anyone with a grain of intelligence knows that that spelling and intelligence are not mutually exclusive.

 

Are you certifiably crazy? Are there multiple people using your account?

 

I finally agree with you that no one here can argue that you are articulate, in any fashion. Also, you're right. Intelligence and spelling aren't mutually exclusive. They're actually pretty mutually inclusive.

[Jersey Shortie]

Lamentating on personal attacks to avoid discussing the converation brought up in the thread is a cheap line to tow even if you are good at attempting to pull it Vet.

 

you are approaching self-parody, JS...

 

We must all laugh out ourselves at times. However, I find the irony in the comments thrown my way from certain people themselves.

 

...but the few times that I have said things that you would probably consider "degrading" during sex was because my partner was into dirty talk and her experience was enhanced by these "degrading" things, so I obliged.

 

Well what you do with your partner is a different topic then porn.

 

 

I never said it means you're unintelligent. But if you want to defend that case, go ahead!

 

That was your insinuation. That somehow my lack of spelling was worth mentioning to discredit my intellingence. You can swing back and forth and try to play it any angle you want but I think we both know the truth in your backwards motions.

 

It does make me less likely to read your posts though. What I AM saying is that a few sentences of gibberish is painful enough, let alone paragraph upon paragraph upon paragraph of self-righteous preaching. Therefore, I don't read everything that you write. That would take up hours and hours of my day; which I simply don't have or want to set aside for you.

 

You say that like I care. *shrug* I don't care if you read it or not. That's your choice. Pointing it out does not change that or take any skin off my back. I am 100% A-Okay with you not reading my posts. But don't make comments about me, thinking you know me and making untrue accusations and then a few posts later admit you don't even read them. That makes you look bad. Not me.

[AAlike]

Well what you do with your partner is a different topic then porn.

 

hey, you completely ignored my point...news at 11!

[Jersey Shortie]

No I didn't. What you do with your girlfriend behind closed doors is between the two of you. When you take a medium that is for the masses, it's a different subject. What goes between two people that care about each other and have that foundation is not comparable to a porn movie. It's a completely ridiculous comparison. And AA, you want to talk about missing points? How many points of mine did *you* overlook just to get to your own.

[AAlike]

No I didn't. What you do with your girlfriend behind closed doors is between the two of you. When you take a medium that is for the masses, it's a different subject. What goes between two people that care about each other and have that foundation is not comparable to a porn movie. It's a completely ridiculous comparison. And AA, you want to talk about missing points? How many points of mine did *you* overlook just to get to your own.

 

ok, my fault, you didn't ignore my point, you just didn't understand it.

 

how old are you, JS? and are you a virgin?

[chrissylee]

As far as I'm concerned, working for $5 and hour at the fast food place is in some ways more degrading than being an entertainer in the adult busines.

 

 

I gotta disagree. I am finishing up my last year or so of college so I am working at one of those 5$ a hour places. (I actually make 10$ but still).

I would find being a prostitue/porn star much more degrading then dealing with idiot customers all day. At least I know when I come home from work I didn't get some weird std or I am not going to be doing something that makes my partner decide he doesn't want to be with me anymore.

[silverfish]

I agree Chrissy. Fair enough if you want to use your body to make money but don't try and tell me it's more dignified and worthwhile than someone doing a minimum wage job. As for being exploited, what a ridiculous thing to say. If that was your argument then everyone who works is being exploited. It's all about choice.

 

There may well be a fast buck to be made, but you could say the same thing about dealing drugs, shoplifting, human trafficking or killing baby pandas. Yeah I know those are all illegal, but how many men would take it up the arse on a daily basis for money? How many men would respect another man for doing that? I have no respect for women who work in the porn industry whatsoever.

[Jersey Shortie]

ok, my fault, you didn't ignore my point, you just didn't understand it.

 

how old are you, JS? and are you a virgin?

 

And I think it's you that doesn't understand. You want to compare what goes on between you and someone you love behind closed doors to an industry that, lets be 100% honest, doesn't treat women very nice. Why would you even want to make such a comparsion between yourself, your partner and to a billion dollar industry that's built on using someone. Or do you think the porn industry does treat women fair and you would have no issues with any woman in your life you care for got into it?

 

I am in my 20s and I am not a virgin. How old are you and are you a virgin?

 

 

 

..... but how many men would take it up the arse on a daily basis for money? How many men would respect another man for doing that? I have no respect for women who work in the porn industry whatsoever.

 

They wouldn't. And they wouldn't like it if women were getting off on men being humilated and used. But it's suppose to be okay if it's a woman. Imagine if the tables where turned ? And it was wives and girlfriends, mothers and daughters that loved seeing men called names (fag, a-hole, loser, pig) and taking self gratification from it? Maybe these men were not even having sex with teh woman. Maybe what women liked to see was men get taken for all he was worth finaically and called names in the process. And then women could turn around and say that these men liked it, that it's okay because these men consented to do it, that it was *just* fantasy. And these women then turned around and raised young men and had relationships with men and said they respected them but behind closed doors sure did love to see them disrespected and used up. In this world, to men, a woman's worth is less then that of a man. No man will ever have to be put into the vunerable positions that women are put into.

[c-riouz]

They wouldn't. And they wouldn't like it if women were getting off on men being humilated and used. But it's suppose to be okay if it's a woman. Imagine if the tables where turned ? And it was wives and girlfriends, mothers and daughters that loved seeing men called names (fag, a-hole, loser, pig) and taking self gratification from it? Maybe these men were not even having sex with teh woman. Maybe what women liked to see was men get taken for all he was worth finaically and called names in the process. And then women could turn around and say that these men liked it, that it's okay because these men consented to do it, that it was *just* fantasy. And these women then turned around and raised young men and had relationships with men and said they respected them but behind closed doors sure did love to see them disrespected and used up. In this world, to men, a woman's worth is less then that of a man. No man will ever have to be put into the vunerable positions that women are put into.

 

Excellent point. It perfectly illustrates the disgusting hypocrisy of men who GET OFF on "those" women in porn, but at the same time belittle them for what they do (slut, ho, wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, yadda yadda). So they belittle the women for getting him off? How wicked is that? It speak volumes about the character, integrity, intelligence (or lack thereof) and morals of these men. So, keep on posting and fighting, Jersey, and don't let them drag you down, you always have valid points.

[Gamine]

Porn is a form of voyeurism. Taping oneself or a couple taping themselves in sexual activity is exhibitionism. Both have pathologies pointing back to childhood sexual abuse, childhood sexual ridicule, childhood sexual insecurities, and in some cases it is construed as antisocial behavior attributed to trauma of infidelity and/or betrayal. Victims of rape are also included in this number.

 

The underlying issue here is dysfunction, addiction, and extremism. Categorically placed into the classification of 'deviant' lifestyles and behaviors.

 

It is perplexing how adults can lose reality. One has to look to children unaffected by the trauma of adults to see the way things really should be between the sexes. Sweet, kind, generous, uplifting, intimate, loving and the pinnacle of the expression between two people.

 

When there is a variance from what is organic to our natures... that is what our natures are before adults get to a child... or before we become adults ourselves.. can be the clearest indication of what is actually natural.

 

I don't believe that anyone who engages in so called open and/or liberal sexual activities is expressing health and vigor. Rather, the resounding truth that seems to come through is that of being broken and damaged by life. We can progress upward. Or, we can progress downward. But in all honesty, when looking through the eyes of dysfunction it is impossible to know oneself when you've gone too far. Some kill for sexual thrills... others buy the tapes of the killing for a sexual thrill. Some consider taping sex with a child a thrill. Others in making the tape. Adult couples tape themselves having sex for a sexual thrill. Others watch the exhibitionists as voyeurs. And yet, those engaging in this are quite adamant... there's nothing wrong with it. Perhaps there are categories or subcategories within a particular act (video taping sex, etc...) that one may find objection to. But we are splitting hairs.

 

It is organically one and the same thing. Degrees.

 

But each speaks loud and clear to broken and hurting people. There is hardly anything written as the result of sound research that points to anything other than this conclusion. It is not healthy and it is not the 'sign' of a healthy libido. There are issues underlying it all.

[sxyNYCcpl]

I am sorry, but this post is complete codswallop. Essentially, you are saying "Anyone who doesn't behave sexually the same as I find acceptable for my life is mental." What complete bunk.

 

Porn is a form of voyeurism. Taping oneself or a couple taping themselves in sexual activity is exhibitionism. Both have pathologies pointing back to childhood sexual abuse, childhood sexual ridicule, childhood sexual insecurities, and in some cases it is construed as antisocial behavior attributed to trauma of infidelity and/or betrayal. Victims of rape are also included in this number.

 

You care to document this propaganda?? My wife and I are both voyeurs and exhibitionists. We both had happy childhoods, and neither of us has been raped. We know many other people like us and none to our knowledge suffered any such trauma.

 

One has to look to children unaffected by the trauma of adults to see the way things really should be between the sexes. Sweet, kind, generous, uplifting, intimate, loving and the pinnacle of the expression between two people.

 

So "proper" adult sexual relationships should emulate prepubescent interactions between children?? That's rich!

 

I don't believe that anyone who engages in so called open and/or liberal sexual activities is expressing health and vigor. Rather, the resounding truth that seems to come through is that of being broken and damaged by life.

 

I'll give you credit, at least you preceded that with "I don't believe..." Because you haven't got a clue what you are talking about.

 

And yet, those engaging in this are quite adamant... there's nothing wrong with it.

 

It's wrong because you said so? Please, you are not that important. So long as everyone involved is a consenting adult, and reasonable care is taken as to not inflict your activities on unwilling participants, there IS nothing wrong with it. Whether it's taping, watching, sharing, hetero, homo, or whatever.

 

There are issues underlying it all.

 

Complete, utter bovine excrement.

[Chubbi]

Excellent point. It perfectly illustrates the disgusting hypocrisy of men who GET OFF on "those" women in porn, but at the same time belittle them for what they do (slut, ho, wouldn't touch it with a ten foot pole, yadda yadda). So they belittle the women for getting him off? How wicked is that? It speak volumes about the character, integrity, intelligence (or lack thereof) and morals of these men. So, keep on posting and fighting, Jersey, and don't let them drag you down, you always have valid points.

 

I agree as well. JS and Gamine are making some good points. Some of these ways I've never thought about!

[You'reasian]

 

So you understand what I am saying but you think I should remain unaffected? Despite how women are infact protrayed in porn and how men that have daughters, wives and gfs eat that crap up? And women should entrust in their men love and respect when it doesn't seem like men can entrust the same, least not respect.

 

JS, as much as I disagree with you, I agree that a man and woman should ultimately come together, trust one another and take care of the daughters etc.

 

Sex is an important part of a relationship. Most guys who aren't in one and not participating in alot of hookups, will look at porn. Some realize its just porn and it doesn't affect the way they look at a woman's heart. Some don't.

 

So, I say to you that a man who is in a loving relationship with a woman, would ideally put the porn away and in most cases reduce his consumption of it.

 

I don't care who you are, most guys (married or single) will still take a look at playboy once in a while - maybe penthouse.

 

And its not just about us guys. Women look at porn and use it as stimulation too (as we've previously discussed).