Porn

[Jersey Shortie]

That's what I've been telling you since we first sparred on this topic

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Nice way of taking my comment completely out of the context it was meant. How about qouting that sentence with the others it was surrounded by.

 

Why are you equating images = inability to use self control?

 

When men have made porn and active part of their lives. When the internet has made porn more avilable and more explotive then in any point in history. When men rather defend their right to porn use then try to breech understanding for the women that love them.

 

 

It does not appear that way from where I am sitting.

 

That doesn't much matter. I said what I said because it's the truth about me. I am not here to prove myself to you on anything.

 

I guess you are not. Can't say I am surprised.

 

I've answered your questions a million times. You insist in asking them over and over again because you dislike the answers I give.

 

JS, you are going to have to come to the realization that your value system is different than 99% of the general population.

 

But my value system isn't different then 99% of the value system. there are so many women that struggle with this issue that this board is littered with posts on it. And million of other message boards following it. And I don't really believe that men feel their best when they are pathetically sitting in their little rooms with themselves in hand infront of a screen. I acutally believe men have the ability to be better then this. And I would like to see that encouragement instead of the old shrug your shoulders and follow the path of least resistance.

 

As such, you have either limited yourself to finding a relationship with the 1% that share your values, changing your values to a more mainstream, modern way of thinking, or dealing with relationships knowing your values are different. The first option is very difficult, as the math works against you, the second would seem to me to be the way to happiness, but you seem too closed minded about it. The third will almost certainly lead to heartbreak and drama in the long run, when that inevitable clash occurs.

 

Really, I don't remember asking you for relationship advice and I would no more take advice from you on this then you would from me. You have your own extreme value system.

 

Seeking "outside stimulation" as you call it, simply doesn't bother most people, especially when said stimulation is merely images.

 

Clearly it does because this board is riddled with people facing that exact issue.

 

I got lucky in that I found someone who has a similar value set, and as a result our relationship is f--king amazing!

 

I don't have much hope in finding a good man anymore. Most men look at porn that's what men care about.

[boogieboy]

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I don't have much hope in finding a good man anymore. Most men look at porn that's what men care about.

 

You are SO wrong about that, bitter, and quite the quitter I might add.

[boogieboy]

Edit: removed flame post because I feel sorry for JS.

 

:lmao::lmao::lmao:

[sxyNYCcpl]

When men rather defend their right to porn use then try to breech understanding for the women that love them.

 

But that's not it. Of course I have no idea what it means to "breech understanding", but it's not about "defending" porn, it's about the fact that I, like many (most?) men, consider a woman who likes porn as a good and desirable thing. Needless to say, given that I do not desire real world monogamy, any woman who insisted that I not even look at pictures would never get a second date.

 

You're not interested in guys who like porn, I'm not interested in women who don't. Which one of us has a bigger pool to choose from?

 

I've answered your questions a million times. You insist in asking them over and over again because you dislike the answers I give.

 

It has nothing to do with whether or not I like your answers or not. You have NEVER even made an effort to explain your terms. You say *all* porn is degrading to women, but the problem is *all* porn doesn't even star women! And much of that which does isn't degrading, at least as I define the term. You have specifically disclaimed the idea that sex, in and of itself, is degrading, so I am asking you if a video of plain, vanilla sex is degrading. Yet you won't answer.

 

But my value system isn't different then 99% of the value system. there are so many women that struggle with this issue that this board is littered with posts on it.

 

Methinks you overstate the case. Yes, there are some here who share your attitude, and have had problems with it. But for every one of those, I can point to two or three WOMEN who have told you over and over again that not only is porn in a relationship NBD, indeed, they like it themselves. You continue to try to make it men vs. women, and it's not. It's those who accept (and enjoy) porn and those who don't. And those from the first group have no business even attempting a relationship with those in the second.

 

You have your own extreme value system.

 

Which I fully acknowledge and own, indeed in the very post you responded to, though you ignored that part. You didn't find me online complaining how hard it was to find a woman who was open to a non-monogamous lifestyle, I simply went out and found one. A GREAT one!

 

I don't have much hope in finding a good man anymore. Most men look at porn that's what men care about.

 

You DEFINE a "good" man as one who hates porn. Fine, so be it. Such men are rare, good luck to you.

[You'reasian]

I never claimed porn wasn't my issue. I said that porn AND how men react and use porn is my issue. Previously you tried to make it seem like it was all porn that was my only issue. But considering men make porn, watch porn and are the biggest pushers of it; yeah the two tie together. .

 

Semantics get you no where fast - porn is still your issue. No one else on this forum has made as many anti-porn threads as yourself.

 

Why is it my responsiblity to make sure a man doesn't look at porn? I really hate that mentality because you are putting all the weight on the woman's shoulders to police the man. Maybe if HE made more of an effort to engage his real life woman, put the porn down, he wouldn't need the porn to feel happy with himself..

 

When men don't have a regular sex partner, they look at porn. When they do have a regular sex partner, they look at porn less or even temporarily stop. Porn usage correlates with a man's current relationship status, specifically his abilty to get real sex.

 

Men make efforts to engage women in real life - I don't know what world you are living in, but your observations indicate you probably don't get out much yourself. It may be the case that the specific guy you are interested in doesn't engage women either.

 

 

And yes, I am feeling defeatist about this issue lately. I can't even bring myself to date because I am so sick of the same problem, different man. Men have taught me they can't be happy with just me. And what's the point in working so hard at trying to make a man happy if he is just goign to keep doing the same old tricks? Darned if I do and darned if I don't. Why waste my effort? The pay-off isn't a more loyal happy man, that's for sure.

 

You still haven't answered a question I asked a while back. What kinds of men do you go for?

 

It could be that you seek guys who like variety. It could be that you seek guys who have a higher sex drive then you. It could be a number of things - tell us, so we can help you.

[You'reasian]

I used porn for pleasuring myself twice today. I have to say, it isn't all that bad....you should try it:love:

 

Geez, I thought I told you to stop watching me from 9-midnight...jk

[Jaytb]

my girlfriend told me a while ago that what I do in private is my business and not hers. I don't know why some people can't just let others do what they want as long as it's not hurting others. I mean I get that porn is exploitative of women, but tell me, are those women not free to make their own choices? are they not free enough to stop doing porn? And if you don't want a partner who looks at porn, you can just simply try to find one who doesn't look at porn.

 

Sometimes I feel the morality police in this country want to turn this country into Afghanistan 1996-2001.

[Gemini09]

I think porn can be beneficial in some ways. As long as you do not develop a sexual addiction to it. Honestly, I used to be a bit put off by some sexual things, but watching porn sometimes helped me become way more acceptable. I think it can help you sexually, if it's not over used. You can learn from it and get ideas.

[Jersey Shortie]

But that's not it. Of course I have no idea what it means to "breech understanding", but it's not about "defending" porn, it's about the fact that I, like many (most?) men, consider a woman who likes porn as a good and desirable thing. Needless to say, given that I do not desire real world monogamy, any woman who insisted that I not even look at pictures would never get a second date.

 

Of coures most men consider a woman who likes porn a good thing. Porn mainly caters to men's whims and fancies and it's all about sexually what men want. It's not about really understanding women or really learning what women really like. It's 100% selfish. Men liking that women like porn has zero to do with women and everything to do with men and what they want. Most women would love if their guy handed over their credit card and said "hey honey, you go on a shopping spree, you deserve it". Doesn't mean that has anything to do with what he wants or that it's even fair to him. And making statements such as you did above about most men liking women that like porn is nothing but your attempt to sham ME or women that don't like porn to feel like they need to like it for men to like them. My sexuality out reaches porn. I am so sorry that you and most men don't feel like their sexuality does that they need to relay on what another man is selling them to feel sexual.

 

And really, I don't really care much if I wouldn't get a second date with you or not. You would never even get a first from me. As for dating pools, I hold on to a limited amount of hope that there are grown men able to live without porn. And if there are not, then there are really no men left and just little boys with their toys.

 

 

Methinks you overstate the case. Yes, there are some here who share your attitude, and have had problems with it. But for every one of those, I can point to two or three WOMEN who have told you over and over again that not only is porn in a relationship NBD, indeed, they like it themselves.

 

I think *you're* the one overstating your case here. It's usually the same women that talk in disagreement with me and I never said all women agree with me. However, I have talked to women ad naseum on this subject. DO you know what I have found? Some are quite hurt, some tolerate it but hold resentment deep inside because of their man's porn use, some might like it but only when he few it with them, others like it but only if it is "once-in-awhile", and least amount is that women love it and hope their men look at more of it. No woman is going to sit there and say she hopes her man looks at more porn. Many women tolerate and say it's okay as long as it's "once-in-awhile". However, these women have no clue how often their men are looking at it and when they have discovered how much, they have lost respect for him and trust in the relationship. S0rry, but this bored and many others aren't littered with women strugging with their guys' porn use because 99% of women love porn and agree with. No, you're the one that is overstating your case. These boards are littered with with strugglign with this issue because of the reality that men don't manage their porn use as well as they would like to pretend. And men today, with technology at their finger tips, are opting out of life and opting into porn.

 

You DEFINE a "good" man as one who hates porn. Fine, so be it. Such men are rare, good luck to you.

 

Completely incorrect. No, I do not define a good man as one who hates porn. I define a good man to be a man that is more engaged in living is real life with his real woman then having to escape in a world of implants, lesbianism or school girl oufits. I respect a man that instead of running to his computer the second he can't get his needs met, he shows self control and respect for the female gender.

[Jersey Shortie]

Semantics get you no where fast - porn is still your issue. No one else on this forum has made as many anti-porn threads as yourself.

 

Semantics? What semantics? COMPETLEY RIDICULOUS statement to make. You insist on telling me what my problem is. You don't want to listen or learn. That's your problem. But how dare you think you can tell me what my problem is and then chalk up my well explained self as "semantics" when I have clearly explained it to you. You're ridiculous. I hope next time you confess a problem you are faced with a person that keeps teling you "No no, *this* is your problem". ANd then when you kindly try to further explain they rudely tell you "that's just semantics". You're sentence doesn't even make any sense.

 

 

When men don't have a regular sex partner, they look at porn. When they do have a regular sex partner, they look at porn less or even temporarily stop. Porn usage correlates with a man's current relationship status, specifically his abilty to get real sex.

 

"Temporarily stops" or "they look at porn less". OMG, sign me up for that! The big pay-off for the hard work you put into a relationship with a man, your heart, your soul , your sexual self can be chalked up to him *possibly* looking at porn less but it's probably only *temporarily*. Wow. I mean, who the heck wants to put some much effort into it if he is just going to go back to his old tricks? Really, you aren't giving women much incentive here to even want to bother. Perhaps a big reason why women stop having sex with their men.

[Jersey Shortie]

I mean I get that porn is exploitative of women, but tell me, are those women not free to make their own choices? are they not free enough to stop doing porn? And if you don't want a partner who looks at porn, you can just simply try to find one who doesn't look at porn.

 

Sometimes I feel the morality police in this country want to turn this country into Afghanistan 1996-2001.

 

 

And this is the icing on the cake and the heart of the problem. I would safely say that 98% of men get that porn is exploitative of women but the simple fact is men just don't plain care. They just don't. They don't care that porn is exploitative of an entire gender because apparently the worth of a woman to a man is less then that of another man. I have heard this statement so many times from men that they understand that porn is exploitative of women BUT..but it's okay because they need something to masturbate to and that is more important then how women are treated. End of story for most men. That is truly the icing on teh cake.

 

By the way, just because those women choose to do it, that has nothing to do with the millions of men with wives, girflriends, daughters that choose to look at it and encourage more of it. You're choice as a man is not dependent on whether or not the girl in the porn movie puts it out there. They are free to not do it and you as a man are free to not look at it. Sadly, I think we have a few young generations of men that can not live without porn. How many men could hoestly get by and still feel happy with himself and his real relationship with his women? I doubt many could seriously do it.

[Jaytb]

And this is the icing on the cake and the heart of the problem. I would safely say that 98% of men get that porn is exploitative of women but the simple fact is men just don't plain care. They just don't. They don't care that porn is exploitative of an entire gender because apparently the worth of a woman to a man is less then that of another man. I have heard this statement so many times from men that they understand that porn is exploitative of women BUT..but it's okay because they need something to masturbate to and that is more important then how women are treated. End of story for most men. That is truly the icing on teh cake.

 

It doesn't mean I don't care. I do care. I don't even look at porn. I find women's underwear catalogs to be good enough for me . (now please argue to me that women's underwear catalogs are exploitative of women. Don't worry, I'll wait)

 

By the way, just because those women choose to do it, that has nothing to do with the millions of men with wives, girflriends, daughters that choose to look at it and encourage more of it. You're choice as a man is not dependent on whether or not the girl in the porn movie puts it out there. They are free to not do it and you as a man are free to not look at it. Sadly, I think we have a few young generations of men that can not live without porn. How many men could hoestly get by and still feel happy with himself and his real relationship with his women? I doubt many could seriously do it.

 

I don't know why there's a problem then. If you don't like it, no one's holding a gun to your head. I enjoy living in a free society, do you?

 

As for living without porn, yeah it's feasible. But it's kind of like living without a car, or living without a telephone. It's like, why should I?

[Jersey Shortie]

Jersey, you are never going to win this debate over porn. Why not give it up? You are on the GD internet. Most of the people on here probably jack off to porn every day of their life, if not every couple of days.

 

While I am sure you are right, maybe my posts will make other people think and question what they do do. I might not "win" the porn debate but the pro-porn people aren't exactly winning either. I think there are some very fundemental things we all can agree to regarding pornography. I don't think men exactly feel good about themselves as men knowing they have such a weakness for something at the end of the day that is not fullfilling, real, or even worthy of men themselves. I actually think men have the capablity to be so much better and I think porn is one things that do hold them back from behing the kind of great guys they can be.

 

It doesn't mean I don't care. I do care. I don't even look at porn. I find women's underwear catalogs to be good enough for me . (now please argue to me that women's underwear catalogs are exploitative of women. Don't worry, I'll wait)

 

Good, I am glad you care. But at a billion dollar industry it's clear that most men don't. That a man's needs are far greater then treating women like human beings that aren't there just to be there for nothing more then getting off. There is not ONE man here or in the world that would like a woman using him for nothing more then his wallet. Imagine a billion dollar industry that showed videos upon videos of just that. Men being used for nothing more then their money and women were masturbating to them and try to tell me men wouldn't be bothered that their wives and girlfriends loved these videos.

 

I don't know why there's a problem then. If you don't like it, no one's holding a gun to your head. I enjoy living in a free society, do you?

 

As for living without porn, yeah it's feasible. But it's kind of like living without a car, or living without a telephone. It's like, why should I?

 

If you compare porn it things like having a car or phone, then no, you don't think it's feasible. Then yes, it IS important to you. Sorry. I know men don't like to even admit the truth to themselves because they like to pretend that they are so far detached from porn they don't need it, but actions speak louder then words. And the actions of many men is that porn is more important to them then sometimes their own wives and gfs. Considering the amount of men that lie about, try to cover it or conjule their own woman into agreeing with it. Those are the actions of something that isn't important. Which is truly sad to be honest. Probably just 20 so years ago, more men would have been less likely to look at porn. Now today, most men are sucked right into and they have made it a regular part of their lives. And women? Who cares about that..women aren't important and we clearly don't deserve to be respected. Clearly we deserve to be exploited and used and live the rest of our lives with our men knowing that he can't be happy unless he gets a regualr dose of porn on the side.

 

I digress, my other point will be in regards to your "living in a free society". No where in ANY of my posts did I say porn should be outlawed. My posts have to d with men's own free will choice to look at porn. I wish more men would take a stand and use self control instead of being weak and falling pray to it. I don't want porn to not be viewed because it's mandated to do so. I want it to not be viewed because MEN don't want to spend a good chunk of their lives in some fantasy world trying to escape or get variety from real life.

 

Lastly, I have said this before and everyone has ignored it. And for that reason I cant help but see that others see the truth in it. Could you imagine if we treated Jewish or African Americans in the same manner we treat women in pornogprahy? That woule NEVER be allowed. It's okay however to treat women thus.

[Jaytb]

While I am sure you are right, maybe my posts will make other people think and question what they do do. I might not "win" the porn debate but the pro-porn people aren't exactly winning either. I think there are some very fundemental things we all can agree to regarding pornography. I don't think men exactly feel good about themselves as men knowing they have such a weakness for something at the end of the day that is not fullfilling, real, or even worthy of men themselves. I actually think men have the capablity to be so much better and I think porn is one things that do hold them back from behing the kind of great guys they can be.

 

 

 

Good, I am glad you care. But at a billion dollar industry it's clear that most men don't. That a man's needs are far greater then treating women like human beings that aren't there just to be there for nothing more then getting off. There is not ONE man here or in the world that would like a woman using him for nothing more then his wallet. Imagine a billion dollar industry that showed videos upon videos of just that. Men being used for nothing more then their money and women were masturbating to them and try to tell me men wouldn't be bothered that their wives and girlfriends loved these videos.

 

 

 

If you compare porn it things like having a car or phone, then no, you don't think it's feasible. Then yes, it IS important to you. Sorry. I know men don't like to even admit the truth to themselves because they like to pretend that they are so far detached from porn they don't need it, but actions speak louder then words. And the actions of many men is that porn is more important to them then sometimes their own wives and gfs. Considering the amount of men that lie about, try to cover it or conjule their own woman into agreeing with it. Those are the actions of something that isn't important. Which is truly sad to be honest. Probably just 20 so years ago, more men would have been less likely to look at porn. Now today, most men are sucked right into and they have made it a regular part of their lives. And women? Who cares about that..women aren't important and we clearly don't deserve to be respected. Clearly we deserve to be exploited and used and live the rest of our lives with our men knowing that he can't be happy unless he gets a regualr dose of porn on the side.

 

I digress, my other point will be in regards to your "living in a free society". No where in ANY of my posts did I say porn should be outlawed. My posts have to d with men's own free will choice to look at porn. I wish more men would take a stand and use self control instead of being weak and falling pray to it. I don't want porn to not be viewed because it's mandated to do so. I want it to not be viewed because MEN don't want to spend a good chunk of their lives in some fantasy world trying to escape or get variety from real life.

I don't want to get into this debate much more, but if you have a problem with fantasy or escapism, then I think there's a lot more stuff than porn you should be having a problem with, like romance novels, movies, TV, video games, etc. Most of our modern world is built on fantasy and escapism.

 

Lastly, I have said this before and everyone has ignored it. And for that reason I cant help but see that others see the truth in it. Could you imagine if we treated Jewish or African Americans in the same manner we treat women in pornogprahy? That woule NEVER be allowed. It's okay however to treat women thus.

I think no one responded because we don't understand this. There's plenty of Jews and African Americans in porn (both men and women). And again, nothing is stopping women in porn from leaving that industry. If they had a problem with how they're being treated, then they should just leave. In fact, I believe they would already have left. Not to mention porn is actually a big industry, are you going to tell us that everyone is mistreated? I would say most women in porn are doing it because they want to, and again, no one is holding a gun to their heads.

[Gamine]

Living a purely corporeal life one's reality is desire driven and flesh based. It is easy. Bodily functions are easy. The penis does X, the vagina does Y. It most certainly feels good. It is a bodily function and it is natural. So is eating. Porn to the eating disordered is excess. Whether it is extreme eating or extreme starvation. Balance in appetite and eating yields a balanced body. One eats when hungry and is fine with it. The obese may have an addiction, yet it is defended as merely a desire to eat. Food is available so why deny the excess? Is extreme eating with an undue focus on food an addiction or a sign of an imbalance? At what point in the extreme does it signify something is out of balance?

 

How thin is thin enough for the eating disorder with an addiction to starvation? Can the individual locked in this affinity ascertain or see their true objective reality? They look in the mirror amidst the addiction and see a fat person. Those not caught up in the addiction fantasy see skin and bones.

 

We justify what we want. The woman starving herself to death (literally) sees through the eyes of her own distorted psyche a reflection in the mirror that is not objectively real. But she cannot see she is starving to death.

 

The mind is an amazing thing. When seen through an addiction one sees through the eyes of the compulsion and is utterly incapable of grasping the objective reality. Justification.

 

Therefore, anyone clouded by an extreme is blinded to themselves. Locked in a delusion like a serpent chasing its own tail. Chasing a resolution. Chasing final contentment. Searching for the grand moment when their appetite for whatever they are chasing is satiated. In the quest for this the answer seems clear. Do more of it. Have more of it.

 

But there is always a reason for the appetite for this or for that. And that should be the thing that is pursued, not the false desire.

[You'reasian]

Men make efforts to engage women in real life - I don't know what world you are living in, but your observations indicate you probably don't get out much yourself. It may be the case that the specific guy you are interested in doesn't engage women either.

 

You still haven't answered a question I asked a while back. What kinds of men do you go for?

 

It could be that you seek guys who like variety. It could be that you seek guys who have a higher sex drive then you. It could be a number of things - tell us, so we can help you.

 

JS rants and rants, for the sake of ranting. Avoids answering questions. Doesn't offer any kind of realistic solution.

 

Her perception of guys is that they don't get out - do interesting things and meet people.

 

I think she enjoys arguing...for the sake of arguing (and I know how she's gonna respond).

[clv0116]

.... school girl oufits. I respect a man that instead of running to his computer the second he can't get his needs met, he shows self control and respect for the female gender.

 

Now see that's just plain mean. I was pretty thrilled when my GF showed me she still had her HS uniform. Mmmmmmm.

[clv0116]

I don't want to get into this debate much more, but if you have a problem with fantasy or escapism, then I think there's a lot more stuff than porn you should be having a problem with, like romance novels, movies, TV, video games, etc. Most of our modern world is built on fantasy and escapism.

 

That's a pretty fair comment.

[silverfish]

I have 2 young boys and I worry about how their perceptions of women could be affected by internet pornography.

 

There was a comedy show on TV in the UK a few weeks ago. The male comedian made a joke about porn. He said in the future there may be a major problem with fertility because young men watching porn will think that you should come on a womans face....

 

Sorry to be crude but it made me laugh, until I realised that in a few years my boys could be watching this stuff.

 

It's really too soon to fully realise the long term effects of internet porn on the mentality of the next generation. My Dad had a lot of magazines & we used to laugh at them but it seems relatively harmless compared to the stuff around these days.

 

It was all picture stories, readers wives, and those silly 'letters' that people sent in. In other words, alot of of it was about using your imagination. It amazes me how much porn has infiltrated our culture too - my town has a lap dancing club, and the local nightclub (the only one!) has a couple of pole dancing poles and we are a small town.

 

A lot of the girls wear hotpants, mini skirts, really high heels, and those boob tube tops. With the peroxide straightened hair, fake tan & peircings they all look like porn star clones. I just don't get it, and feel sorry for them....the 'Second Sex' should be on the national curriculum!

[Vet]

Could you imagine if we treated Jewish or African Americans in the same manner we treat women in pornogprahy? That woule NEVER be allowed. It's okay however to treat women thus.

 

This is the third or fourth time you've tried to use this "argument" in this thread. It doesn't even make sense. We do treat blacks, Jewish, and all different kinds of races and creeds of women this way--there isn't just white pornography. What are you even trying to say? Could I imagine if we were to film someone whipping it out and jerking off on a random black person in the form of an assault? Hire a Jewish person to come in and call him a bitch? No, I can't, because it doesn't even make sense in the context of what we're talking about. Stop trying to tie your position to racism, it doesn't help you.

[missdependant]

Lastly, I have said this before and everyone has ignored it. And for that reason I cant help but see that others see the truth in it. Could you imagine if we treated Jewish or African Americans in the same manner we treat women in pornogprahy? That woule NEVER be allowed. It's okay however to treat women thus.

 

 

No one has answered it because it's ridiculous! And I doubt there are very many people who read EVERYthing you have to say. Your posts are long and boring, they just say the same thing over and over again.

 

There are African-American women AND Jewish women in porn, so I don't see your point.

 

How DO they treat women in porn? Please enlighten us. Seeing as you don't even watch it, you should know everything there is to know about it..

[silverfish]

I think i can try & answer. In most pornography women are protrayed as sex toys, purely for the gratification of men. The way they sound, speak, dress, act, look and react bears no relation to the way REAL women behave sexually.

 

Most people understand this but there are some people (men & women) who don't.

 

The thing that worries me about the porn industry is that it seems to be creeping insidiously more and more into mainstream society. It is big business and there will always be money to be made.

 

It really doesn't enrich anyones lives though, so not sure why everyone is getting so defensive of the porn industry - especially the chicks on here

[missdependant]

I think i can try & answer. In most pornography women are protrayed as sex toys, purely for the gratification of men. The way they sound, speak, dress, act, look and react bears no relation to the way REAL women behave sexually.

 

Are you saying that the way men are portrayed is realistic?

[sxyNYCcpl]

In most pornography women are protrayed as sex toys, purely for the gratification of men. The way they sound, speak, dress, act, look and react bears no relation to the way REAL women behave sexually.

 

Let me ask you a question I've asked JS a dozen times without an answer.

 

What kind of porn are you watching that you come to this conclusion? Because the porn that I typically watch has humans having sex. Boys and girls. Girls and girls. Boys and girls and boys and girls and boys and girls. Having sex.

 

And for the most part, it resembles the sex I have in real life pretty closely.

 

So how, exactly, is that degrading?

[silverfish]

Well the stuff I've seen generally has a peroxide blonde, orange woman with fake breasts, going down on a man for about ten minutes while looking up at him with a sort of 'wow I'm soooo lucky you let me do this to you' look on her face. I could go on but it would be frankly obscene to go into details.

 

There is no resemblance at all to how people behave in real life...I wish there was because it would be more erotic and interesting. It annoys me because it doesn't bear any resemblence to what really turns women on, or how to make them come. I am not against porn as such I just think it's patronising.

 

As for the men being exploited - what do you think ?