spiraling downward Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 I could swear that my MW's hubby is one. "They are charming and ingratiating, but also predatory and utterly ruthless. Thankfully, they have a tendency towards laziness: once confronted they give up easily and move on to the next victim." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1759690/posts http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html He seems to be searching for that willing victim... Is it really true that one in twenty-five people can be classified as a "sociopath?"
2sure Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 Just one. My oldest sister. I have a hard time believing she doesnt have paperwork somewhere confirming this. But, once I knew for sure that she had this problem it was easier to protect myself and nice to know I could no longer be surprised by her behavior. I should add that being shunned by those close to her is always a mystery to her since she truly thinks of herself as some form of Earth Mother/Nurturer/Giver.
Author spiraling downward Posted July 30, 2009 Author Posted July 30, 2009 I could swear that my MW's hubby is one. "They are charming and ingratiating, but also predatory and utterly ruthless. Thankfully, they have a tendency towards laziness: once confronted they give up easily and move on to the next victim." http://www.freerepublic.com/focus/f-news/1759690/posts http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html He seems to be searching for that willing victim... Is it really true that one in twenty-five people can be classified as a "sociopath?" OK, before anyone jumps down my throat.... I have exhibited many of these qualities myself in the past... but hey, I'm out in the open talking about this.
Reggie Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 A few, that , genuinely are sociopaths. I think they are , perhaps, disproprtionately represented among the cheating population, too. So, you might run into more than your fair share if you are dealing with a lot of people involved in infidelity.
GreenEyedLady Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 Did you read the bottom of the McAffee article? People who would be diagnosed as a Sociopath had to exhibit at least 3 of the characteristics and be diagnosed with conduct disorder before the age of 15. The first article makes it seem as if there are so many people with it. Maybe more people have tendencies but clearly the author of the first article is trying to help sell a book.
Author spiraling downward Posted July 30, 2009 Author Posted July 30, 2009 Did you read the bottom of the McAffee article? People who would be diagnosed as a Sociopath had to exhibit at least 3 of the characteristics and be diagnosed with conduct disorder before the age of 15. The first article makes it seem as if there are so many people with it. Maybe more people have tendencies but clearly the author of the first article is trying to help sell a book. Diagnosis is the thing... I'm sure the number of non-diagnosed cases far out numbers the actual documented cases. Just my guess from a layman's point of view.
crissie Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 I know of one...And I pray I never met another one again....
GreenEyedLady Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 Diagnosis is the thing... I'm sure the number of non-diagnosed cases far out numbers the actual documented cases. Just my guess from a layman's point of view. Actually, if someone is a true sociopath, you would see it in their childhood and especially in school, according to that article (McAffee). There are quite a few cases of conduct disorder and the students are usually labeled Emotionally Disturbed now.
GorillaTheater Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 Oh boy....this sounds like me. Ha, I was thinking the same thing. I could easily check off on at least a half-dozen items on the list.
Author spiraling downward Posted July 30, 2009 Author Posted July 30, 2009 Oh boy....this sounds like me. boogieboy... you've come to the right place... we're here to fix ya!!
boogieboy Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 Im really spooked about this, I cant remember the last time Ive felt genuine sympathy or empathy, and I cant even relate to the definitions.......
Chrome Barracuda Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 Why do you care about this guy so much SD, he's not bothering you anymore right? you banged his wife and took her from him right? He has someone else. why do you care what he does. trying to make yourself feel better? WTF?
GorillaTheater Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 Im really spooked about this, I cant remember the last time Ive felt genuine sympathy or empathy, and I cant even relate to the definitions....... Might be time for a little introspection. If you're anything like me, it's not too pleasant, and you might not like what you find, but it'll probably do you some good.
AlektraClementine Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 My former boss was one. Diagnosed by me, of course. He exhibited each of these. Worked for him for 3 years. He treated our relationship as a personal one for the most part and that got scary. He still tries to scare me through emails and texts. No, I never had a non-professional relationship with him. Glibness and Superficial CharmManipulative and Conning They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.Grandiose Sense of Self Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."Pathological Lying Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way.Shallow Emotions When they show what seems to be warmth, joy, love and compassion it is more feigned than experienced and serves an ulterior motive. Outraged by insignificant matters, yet remaining unmoved and cold by what would upset a normal person. Since they are not genuine, neither are their promises.Incapacity for LoveNeed for Stimulation Living on the edge. Verbal outbursts and physical punishments are normal. Promiscuity and gambling are common.Callousness/Lack of Empathy Unable to empathize with the pain of their victims, having only contempt for others' feelings of distress and readily taking advantage of them.
Author spiraling downward Posted July 30, 2009 Author Posted July 30, 2009 Why do you care about this guy so much SD, he's not bothering you anymore right? you banged his wife and took her from him right? He has someone else. why do you care what he does. trying to make yourself feel better? WTF? I get PO'd when he tries to badger her late at night when we are in bed. The guy runs from me... (oh, boy here we go.)
2sure Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 Ok, Ok, GUYS? Guys? You are not sociopaths. You are on a SUPPORT FORUM. You are members. You contribute consistantly. Being black and white or straight forward does not mean you are not empathetic.
boogieboy Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 Might be time for a little introspection. If you're anything like me, it's not too pleasant, and you might not like what you find, but it'll probably do you some good. Im prepared to deal with whatever it brings me. I dont know how to go about it, but ill find out. Hey Spiralling, have you tried this?
GorillaTheater Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 Ok, Ok, GUYS? Guys? You are not sociopaths. Says you. Wait 'til Boogieboy and I start sending you dismembered doll parts.
Author spiraling downward Posted July 30, 2009 Author Posted July 30, 2009 Im prepared to deal with whatever it brings me. I dont know how to go about it, but ill find out. Hey Spiralling, have you tried this?My whole life has been about self-introspection... there's a lot that I've found that I don't like... but I'm generally harmless.
boogieboy Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 Ok, Ok, GUYS? Guys? You are not sociopaths. You are on a SUPPORT FORUM. You are members. You contribute consistantly. Being black and white or straight forward does not mean you are not empathetic. apparently you already forgot my post smashing the pregnant woman LoriLynne.... I just saw the post with the list of symptoms, I am no longer worried... GT....LMAO!! :lmao:
2sure Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 No, no one is getting off that easily. Oh, suurre - " I wasnt bashing. I'm a sociopath, I can't heelp it. " wah wah . You guys wish. And my sister too.
datura_noir Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 I have known quite a few people who exhibit any number of these traits, but I think the true diagnosis begins in childhood.And on that front, being as I work with kids, I have only met one true classic case in all my years, a boy of five who was just void of any empathy or remorse. Never witnessed him sad, even if he had been hurt or wronged.He couldn't hold a gaze; just looked right through or over anyone he interacted with. He was expelled from school at age 7 for bringing a knife to kill another student. It was sad and chilling to see such a young person devoid of any humanity
Reggie Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 There is a book out , "The Soociopath Next Door", that I have been meaning to read. I think the premise is that ASPD is more common than we think, and that there are degrees. Folks like the serial killers are on the far end of the spectrum. But, there are others who are less obvious, perhaps less severe cases. These folks fit seamlessly into society, and their abuses are not as apparent. But, if you really examine their lives, they do leave a trail of destruction. It may be finanacial or emotional abuse of others vs violence. Whenever you are dealing with this stuff. like NPD , BPD or ASPD, it is difficult to sort out where the line is drawn for who actually has the diagnosis. Seems all of the trais are within us to some degree and we all act disordered at some point. But, these folks have a higher dosage and do it consistently throughout their lives. Spiraling, I'd caution you on making any assumptions about this guy at this point. He has just faced a severe trauma with his wife's cheating, and, you have been getting some of your information about him from someone known to be dishonest, his wife. She is invested in spinning and fabricating to justify her cheating. Take what she says with a grain of salt. Look at his life, overall, if you have access to reliable information. Has he been arrested? Has he held a steady job? What do his kids think of him? Any chem dep issues? Any tax issues? Any histroy of having been discharged from the military/ IS he violent? that type of thing. You need to look at the bigger picture and not focus too much on his recent actions in the aftermath of the cheating.
boogieboy Posted July 30, 2009 Posted July 30, 2009 No, no one is getting off that easily. Oh, suurre - " I wasnt bashing. I'm a sociopath, I can't heelp it. " wah wah . You guys wish. And my sister too. ha! What if I do it with a winky?
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