Trialbyfire Posted July 23, 2009 Posted July 23, 2009 Okay, so now we have it. It's one big conspiracy theory that "Da Man" is keeping people down and obese, through mass media manipulation, the medical community and lest we forget, the psychiatric community...
butcher's hook Posted July 23, 2009 Posted July 23, 2009 Look at the children's school lunches also. They are the most greasy and unhealthy. That's what they feed the kids. So true!! They tried a whole wave of changes last year here in high schools the FDA decided it was time to incorporate better food choice into the meals at schools, and they still served up all the other junk. What happened? You could see tumble weed roll by with the veggies and good protein options, kids were still lining up for the fries with gravy and hamburgers. Why would they choose a better option when it is just as easy to get what to them tastes much better? Europeans just don't seem to have the same "good food/bad food" dichotomy that Americans do. Ironically, taking pleasure in food is the easiest way to eat sensibly. That is precisely the answer. Here is the tip off, when you look at the price list of McDonalds in France or Italy (for example) it is MORE expensive to order a McD meal than it is to order a typical local meal at a little corner restaurant. The bottom of the barrel food choice of Americans is actually priced like a delicacy abroad because it is a new option NOT the norm. A junk food American staple is actually a novelty abroad. What does that tell you? But of course NOW the "medical society" wants what is best for us: read between the lines, what is best for their pockets. There is an antire industry created around weighloss, billions of dollars being pumped into weightloss in the USA and equally the same amount of money into the entertainment, and fashion industry which also dictates what is the norm for beauty. But of course it is the people who just want to be grossly fat because they can be.
Ariadne Posted July 23, 2009 Posted July 23, 2009 Here is the tip off, when you look at the price list of McDonalds in France or Italy (for example) it is MORE expensive to order a McD meal than it is to order a typical local meal at a little corner restaurant Back home in So Am they have closed several McDonalds. They went out of business because people disliked that kind of food. Yey!!!
Ariadne Posted July 23, 2009 Posted July 23, 2009 They tried a whole wave of changes last year here in high schools the FDA decided it was time to incorporate better food choice into the meals at schools, and they still served up all the other junk I see in India, when they have to feed tons of people... What they do is some huge pots with lentils and other traditional healthy meals... And then they serve that with rice and bread by the scoop. But here it is impossible for them to figure something like that.
butcher's hook Posted July 23, 2009 Posted July 23, 2009 Back home in So Am they have closed several McDonalds. They went out of business because people disliked that kind of food. Yey!!! In Argentina they had cases of deaths and extreme food contaminations a few years back because of the subpar quality of food that was not kept properly, they were serving at McDonalds. These are societies that are not accustomed to serving foods that remian frozen for high periods of times with significant additives to maintain their "freshness" It is very much a North American concept. Not to mention you will find a fast food american restauarant such as McD's in areas of very high centralized traffic. There is no such thing as a burger joint very three block radious. There is simply NO market or resources for it. Plain and simple.
butcher's hook Posted July 23, 2009 Posted July 23, 2009 Falafels are served on the side of the road for pennies as the junkiest food you can get in the middle east. Here, it is marketed as the "healthier" fast food choice.
Citizen Erased Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Okay, so now we have it. It's one big conspiracy theory that "Da Man" is keeping people down and obese, through mass media manipulation, the medical community and lest we forget, the psychiatric community... I guess it's easier to blame everyone else rather than yourself.
Trialbyfire Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 I guess it's easier to blame everyone else rather than yourself.No kidding! Crave a Big Mac? Eat a piece of fresh fruit or a stick of celery. Ta...da... Feeling lazy? Do 30 jumping jacks instead! Ta...da... Do this 4000 times with healthy food in small portions = Ta...da...reasonable weight and happier, healthier people!
Isolde Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Okay, so now we have it. It's one big conspiracy theory that "Da Man" is keeping people down and obese, through mass media manipulation, the medical community and lest we forget, the psychiatric community... There isn't a conspiracy but there's enough people who eat the same portions as me that are overweight, that I feel for them. The people who eat reasonably healthy and still can't lose weight, they do exist... and I feel for them, even if the majority of overweight people can help it, those few need support in their goal rather than belittling statements. One of my friends is like this. Granted, she could probably try harder, but she certainly doesn't seem to eat any more than I do.
fral945 Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 No kidding! Crave a Big Mac? Eat a piece of fresh fruit or a stick of celery. Ta...da... Feeling lazy? Do 30 jumping jacks instead! Ta...da... Do this 4000 times with healthy food in small portions = Ta...da...reasonable weight and happier, healthier people! Come on. Your advice requires work, discipline, and effort. Who's gonna do all that? Eat Big Macs and find a pill to suck the fat out or have your stomach stapled. Blame your genes. Say you're too busy or don't have time to exercise or watch what you eat. That's the American way.
Trialbyfire Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 There isn't a conspiracy but there's enough people who eat the same portions as me that are overweight, that I feel for them. The people who eat reasonably healthy and still can't lose weight, they do exist... and I feel for them, even if the majority of overweight people can help it, those few need support in their goal rather than belittling statements. One of my friends is like this. Granted, she could probably try harder, but she certainly doesn't seem to eat any more than I do.If you go back to my original post, I did state that there were few people who were obese for a reason, which means that there are some who are medically incapable of remaining at a healthy weight. I do feel for people like that. Having said that, you'll find that most are obese for no good reason beyond being too lazy to exercise, overeating and not eating healthy food. While you have a high metabolic rate, I doubt that your friend is eating on the level she should be, if she's obese. You've come at the tail end of the discussion so aren't aware of how it got this far. Come on. Your advice requires work, discipline, and effort. Who's gonna do all that? Eat Big Macs and find a pill to suck the fat out or have your stomach stapled. Blame your genes. Say you're too busy or don't have time to exercise or watch what you eat. That's the American way. Did you know that diet pills are rampant amongst teenage girls and twenty-somethings? It's insane. Just stop eating junk food and you won't need those diet pills.
butcher's hook Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Did you know that diet pills are rampant amongst teenage girls and twenty-somethings? It's insane It's not insane actually it is EXPECTED. You cannot surf a single website page without being bombarded with diet pill or miracle cures to lose weight. You cannot log on to a single social networking application without being inundated with advertising for this, you cannot open your email box without receiving significant amount of spam on this. BILLIONS of dollars are spent on marketing weightloss products, we live in a quick fix "easier the better" society. Heck look to the right of this page, tell me what the ad says? Is it really THAT surprising?
adzent Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Slim women are very attractive in lingerie, yes. Especially ones with curves. Skinny women are horrible. No boobs and bum, and its all bony and horrible. Overweight people, well it differs. Some dont carry their weight so well, some are overweight with no curves or small curves. The overweight people with large curves are incredibly attractive. Not alot overweight, but a little, you get the sexy hips, (hopefully) big ass, and bigger boobs. slightly overweight is my preference with women. I am overweight myself, according to my BMI, but i guess those things dont take into account muscle mass. I have fat, dont get me wrong, i have podgy bits which i am getting rid of, but for the better part im pretty fit and healthy, pretty tough abs (although not all visible), pecs, very toned legs and decent arms. I have abit of fat at the bottom of my belly, not too much, and a little on my pecs. Overall pretty tough and hard, and i can last a couple hours in bed(that wasnt really nessasary was it ). What do you ladies think of that personally? and dont worry, no offense will be taken whatsoever
allina Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Slim women are very attractive in lingerie, yes. Especially ones with curves. Skinny women are horrible. No boobs and bum, and its all bony and horrible. Overweight people, well it differs. Some dont carry their weight so well, some are overweight with no curves or small curves. The overweight people with large curves are incredibly attractive. Not alot overweight, but a little, you get the sexy hips, (hopefully) big ass, and bigger boobs. slightly overweight is my preference with women. I am overweight myself, according to my BMI, but i guess those things dont take into account muscle mass. I have fat, dont get me wrong, i have podgy bits which i am getting rid of, but for the better part im pretty fit and healthy, pretty tough abs (although not all visible), pecs, very toned legs and decent arms. I have abit of fat at the bottom of my belly, not too much, and a little on my pecs. Overall pretty tough and hard, and i can last a couple hours in bed(that wasnt really nessasary was it ). What do you ladies think of that personally? and dont worry, no offense will be taken whatsoever Hard to tell. A bigger guy can be hot. But an issue with a bigger guy is the gut. You don't want a man's gut hanging down and rubbing against you when you're having sex. It would be hard for me to date someone fat because they wouldn't be able to take part in activities I like. Sorry but someone who is 100lbs overweight can't go for even a 3 mile run, can't go on a real hike, or even fit in a kayak I'm not saying that everyone has to have the perfect body, and I'm not saying I do. But there is a huge difference between having a little pudgy spot here and there and being 50lbs+ overweight.
New Again Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Slim women are very attractive in lingerie, yes. Especially ones with curves. Skinny women are horrible. No boobs and bum, and its all bony and horrible. Overweight people, well it differs. Some dont carry their weight so well, some are overweight with no curves or small curves. The overweight people with large curves are incredibly attractive. Not alot overweight, but a little, you get the sexy hips, (hopefully) big ass, and bigger boobs. slightly overweight is my preference with women. You might actually mean overweight; however from the way you described your preference for women, (and your lack of preference for "skinny" women) you probably don't actually mean overweight. There are many different body types that don't have much if anything to do with being under/overweight. For example, I have a very slender build - I would love to be "curvy" but I'm just not and never will be. If I gain weight (disregarding a small amount of muscle perhaps), I will look nasty, because I don't have the right body type to carry any extra weight. Me being overweight would mean a spare tire and flabby thighs. I am overweight myself, according to my BMI, but i guess those things dont take into account muscle mass. I have fat, dont get me wrong, i have podgy bits which i am getting rid of, but for the better part im pretty fit and healthy, pretty tough abs (although not all visible), pecs, very toned legs and decent arms. I have abit of fat at the bottom of my belly, not too much, and a little on my pecs. Overall pretty tough and hard, and i can last a couple hours in bed(that wasnt really nessasary was it ). What do you ladies think of that personally? and dont worry, no offense will be taken whatsoever Doesn't matter how much or how little fat you have - as a lady I'd be turned off because you didn't bother with proper capitalization and grammar in your post. Maybe if you'd attached a picture I'd have been distracted enough to overlook that
BobSacamento Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 No kidding! Crave a Big Mac? Eat a piece of fresh fruit or a stick of celery. Ta...da... Feeling lazy? Do 30 jumping jacks instead! Ta...da... Do this 4000 times with healthy food in small portions = Ta...da...reasonable weight and happier, healthier people! The problem is you think McDonalds is trying to target people who think like you.
Trialbyfire Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 The problem is you think McDonalds is trying to target people who think like you. Can you explain that comment? It makes no sense to me since I don't believe in any conspiracy theories.
BobSacamento Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Can you explain that comment? It makes no sense to me since I don't believe in any conspiracy theories. Ronald McDonald, Happy Meals, Fun Place with Ball Pits. Their main target is children. Get them hooked when their young and they'll drag the parents there just to shut them up. So basically rational decision making by the consumers doesn't seem possible since they are 7.
Trialbyfire Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 Ronald McDonald, Happy Meals, Fun Place with Ball Pits. Their main target is children. Get them hooked when their young and they'll drag the parents there just to shut them up. So basically rational decision making by the consumers doesn't seem possible since they are 7.As children, my sibs and I wanted to go to McDonald's. My parents said no and kept us on a healthy lifestyle, although we attended the odd bday party at Mickey Ds. The same will hold true for my children. Choice and discipline.
Talby Posted July 24, 2009 Posted July 24, 2009 I think it just comes back to lazyness, the big reason people become fat in the first place. People want to be fit and healthy, but aren't willing to expend any effort, exert any willpower or make any changes to their lifestyle in order to do so. "I can't, I can't, I can't" is not an attractive attitude. I get that there's a lot of easily available food that's really bad for you, and people are living more sedentary lifestyles and so on. But ultimately, you MUST take responsibility for YOURSELF. Nobody else will.
stepka Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 There are so many fat people, that I am afraid that quite soon this will begin to be perceived as normal . LOL, I've been telling people that 20 lbs overweight is the new normal, b/c I am 20 lbs overweight and everyone says I don't need to lose a pound. Now I'm middle aged, and I'm not willing to date an obese man b/c obesity causes too many health problems and I don't want to meet the love of my life just to have him kick off 2 years later from a heart attack and I have no desire to administer insulin shots--though if I met a man with juvenile diabetes I'd make an exception. It's when they bring it on themselves that I'm likely to be a bit more resentful. My friend married a very fat man and they're happy as can be, but they both gained quite a lot of weight after they married and both are diabetic and he's had a stroke and. . . I just can't see much future in it.
stepka Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Europeans just don't seem to have the same "good food/bad food" dichotomy that Americans do. Ironically, taking pleasure in food is the easiest way to eat sensibly. I'm with you on that one. It's just that most of us Americans don't know what good food is but that shouldn't stop us from trying to find out.
theBrokenMuse Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Can anyone tell me WTF the point of rehashing these "fat people are the anti-christ" threads every couple of months? It's always the same thing. People make condescending remarks and little digs which they sometimes try and pass off as 'meaningful advice' because as we all know, it's never before been publicly stated that exercise and eating healthy can produce results in weight-loss. It's almost as new as the whole, 'cigarettes are bad for you' news that I just saw on another forum. People must really think that the entire world around them is completely obtuse or, as happens to be the case so often here, it is just used as a means of making headway into touting their own self-proclaimed superiority without it being blatantly obvious. After all, you may be the type of person who's willing to demean a whole group of people who are already marginalized and are oftentimes made to feel subhuman to the point of rarely ever standing up for themselves BUT at least you are able to retain your girlish figure so therefore you are superior and praiseworthy, right? Forgive me if I'm not all that impressed.
adzent Posted July 25, 2009 Posted July 25, 2009 Hard to tell. A bigger guy can be hot. But an issue with a bigger guy is the gut. You don't want a man's gut hanging down and rubbing against you when you're having sex. It would be hard for me to date someone fat because they wouldn't be able to take part in activities I like. Sorry but someone who is 100lbs overweight can't go for even a 3 mile run, can't go on a real hike, or even fit in a kayak I'm not saying that everyone has to have the perfect body, and I'm not saying I do. But there is a huge difference between having a little pudgy spot here and there and being 50lbs+ overweight. Im nowhere near 50+ lbs overweight. Im 6'1 and weigh 13 stone, alot of which is muscle. I have some "podgy" bits which id love to get rid of, like a tiny bit of fat on my stomach, as im nearly flat stomached, and other bits aroudn my bod.
39388 Posted July 26, 2009 Posted July 26, 2009 Can anyone tell me WTF the point of rehashing these "fat people are the anti-christ" threads every couple of months? It's always the same thing. People make condescending remarks and little digs which they sometimes try and pass off as 'meaningful advice' because as we all know, it's never before been publicly stated that exercise and eating healthy can produce results in weight-loss. I could start a thread demeaning everyone who can't do really well in organic chemsitry. I can say I did well in it and anyone who is struggling should "work harder" even though I know full well many are already working hard. I could make fun of those completely failing in the most hurtful way possible. It would be no worse than this thread.
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