shadowplay Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 OK, yes. I think these are all great, but if you're already clever and such (like you, Phateless), then you don't need them. IN FACT - attempting to incorporate some stand-up routine into your natural game and charisma is a bad idea. Just be you. Anyway, all of those lines really just point to one idea - BE FUNNY and tease girls a bit. Never cruelly, never about their looks. Never anything personal. Just, "Hey, I'm a little emotionally unavailable right now", etc. I like it. I do hope you're being sarcastic. Some playful teasing is okay, but it has to be subtle and genuinely funny. Those lines aren't.
kizik Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 I do hope you're being sarcastic. About what? Some playful teasing is okay, but it has to be subtle and genuinely funny. Those lines aren't. Oh come on, relax, sweet-cheeks.
Woggle Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 There are plenty of women who are book smart but lose all sense when it comes to dating so many of those lines do work.
shadowplay Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 The best way to attract women is simply not making them a priority. I can hang out in a room and to me the women in that room don't even exist. The less you want them the more they want though. This attitude works. If you want to attract unintelligent or low-self esteem women. Together women respond to high interest, not low. It's all about subtlety, men. Anything that's all or nothing isn't going to work.
Woggle Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 If you want to attract unintelligent or low-self esteem women. Together women respond to high interest, not low. It's all about subtlety, men. Anything that's all or nothing isn't going to work. Yes together women. I can go dodo hunting and have more success than most men would looking for together women. These tactics work so well because most women are not together when it comes to dating.
shadowplay Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 There are plenty of women who are book smart but lose all sense when it comes to dating so many of those lines do work. I've had men do the neg thing on me, and I always recoil. I've never seen an intelligent, together woman respond well to this approach. Maybe you need to get out of Jersey.
kizik Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 I kind of agree that pick-up lines will work on some women... those that aren't adept at seeing through the BS. So, they clearly do not work on Shadowplay. I think we have established that. On another note: Woggle, do you have a sense of humor, at all? Sometimes I feel like The Woman-Bashing Terminator in on the other end of my computer.
shadowplay Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 On another note: Woggle, do you have a sense of humor, at all? Sometimes I feel like The Woman-Bashing Terminator in on the other end of my computer. He has a sense of humor, but he's just been through the wringer with women is all, and he's looking out for his fellow man.
Woggle Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 I have a great sense of humor. I don't see why people on this board think I don't because I have my friends in stiches sometimes. I know I am not the only man to feel this way and if I am then most men have some powerful blinders on.
kizik Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 He has a sense of humor, but he's just been through the wringer with women is all Fair enough, but what guy among us hasn't?! I just feel like he crossed the "bitter" line a long time ago, and it looks like a sh*tty place to live.
Woggle Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Fair enough, but what guy among us hasn't?! I just feel like he crossed the "bitter" line a long time ago, and it looks like a sh*tty place to live. It's actually a great place to live. I am happier than most men I know.
shadowplay Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Fair enough, but what guy among us hasn't?! I just feel like he crossed the "bitter" line a long time ago, and it looks like a sh*tty place to live. I suppose you missed the sarcasm in my post.
kizik Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 I suppose you missed the sarcasm in my post. It seemed sincere, but apparently I don't know you well enough
shadowplay Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 It seemed sincere, but apparently I don't know you well enough .........................................................................................
kizik Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 [This is from] http://www.theattractionforums.com/best-forum/39249-ten-uncomfortable-truths.html I actually see a fair amount to disagree with here. Quote: 1. How do I know if she wants to be my girlfriend, or if she just wants to be friends? Women know within the first 5 minutes whether they want to have sex with you or not. If they don't, it's an uphill battle changing their minds. If they do, all you you have to do is not **** it up and you'll be having sex with her as soon as she is comfortable enough with you. Women see the potential for sex quickly, but they often haven't decided if they want to have sex with you nearly that quickly. Even so, comfort is often the hard part. "Not ****ing it up" is not a matter of course any more than not ****ing up attraction is. She is more likely thinking, "I think this guy may be the real deal," than "I know I want to **** this guy." Quote: If you are going to have a sexual relationship with a woman, it necessarily must happen within the first, say, 20 hours* of knowing her. Mystery Method teaches men how to do it in 4-10 hours, but you can take longer than that without blowing it. However, if you haven't ****ed her within about 20 hours, she has already decided that you're not man enough to be her lover, because real men want sex and they seek it actively. This is way too rigid. You can know a woman for a looong time before deciding to have a sexual relationship with her, as long as she knows the reason isn't because you are timid (and this doesn't have to be verbalized if you're congruent, e.g., it's true). People **** in their social circles or "venue circles" all the time who have known each other for a long time. Quote: So, for those of you who say you don't want to have casual sex with tons of women, not only are you liars trying to cover up some issue with your self-esteem, you are causing your own problems. You can't know if a relationship is even possible with a woman until after you've had sex with her. Or they are self-validated enough and have enough options that they don't need to go on a ****-a-thon with every random girl. Guys who have tons of choice often do not prequalify every hot girl as someone to nail. There are guys out there with sick value who don't meet women they consider deserving of sex all that often. Quote: This is important. The only way to get better at sex is to have more of it. The only way to get better at picking up women is to pick up more of them. There are other valid approaches. Good sex is relatively easy with the right materials and does not take immense practice. Virgins have used David Shade's material on their first sexual experience and impressed the hell out of women. You can similarly work on building solid enough social skills that you will be better with women, or interacting with them frequently enough (social circle) that getting laid is easier. Picking up and nailing tons of women is not the only way. I see where you are going in your response to the question, but you're too rigid. Quote: This might be the most important point of all. No one woman is "special". Sorry, hate to break you pretty little world view, but women are all the same. Simply wrong. By this definition, any guy should ****/marry any girl. Some people are more compatible than others, and a highly compatible girl is special. As long as you don't equate that with being "unique," it's not a problem. If you really don't believe she's special, your A3 is going to be a lie. Quote: 8. When is the game over? How do I win the game? Etc... Never. You don't win. Ever. Honestly, a game is a bad metaphor, because "winning the game" is a non-sequitor in this case (look it up you inarticulate bastards). But don't get disheartened, that doesn't mean you're wasting your time. The game is one of self-improvement, and you should never stop improving yourself. There is a point where there are obviously diminishing returns and your attention is better focused elsewhere. Somebody who is actively involved in the community for more than a couple years better be getting some secondary benefit from it.
Author Taramere Posted July 9, 2009 Author Posted July 9, 2009 Oh good! The thread's still going. I googled narcissism PUA for fun, and found this at the top of the stage. Brief synopsis: Guy is or would like to be a psychologist. Female friend of his received an email from a guy on Facebook - who she'd never met. The universe is abundant with random occurrences. Occurrences that, like any other, change our specific course in space-time. So I will alter your path today. You are the most gorgeous woman I know. Dwarfing the tidaling echoes of my imaginations folly. Crumbling the foundations of the majesty found in the night’s milky starts- to rebuild imperfection into a new and more lovely composition of intricately designed magnitude. My Dear, You are the Universe’s Sweetest Libretto. It is my pleasure to sing your Litany of Creation....Drifting through and through the canvas of motion and time you are that which creates the ineffable wonder beneath the medaling of curious human eyes....Warm, tickling sun hugging you as you rest in a field of breezy pink grass. Giggling star-pink butterflies flittering around your soul and essence, gently kissing the light-blue flowers in your hair. It is simple to say that your very person makes my heart skip a beat, or easy to describe the exhilarating rush of penetrating emotions that you fill me with…But I find it exceedingly difficult to portray the glowing Love I see in your every smile. It is impossible to articulate the majestic empires of angels playing gleefully in the colorful pools of your delicate irises. I would change the oceans to ink and the sky to scroll in order to properly relay to all who behold, the epic story of you. Thou art a true goddess... Where are the castles and shrines, monuments and emerald palaces erected in your name? Where indeed? There are several responses a woman might have to something like that. She might be afraid that she's got hooked up online with some kind of obsessive stalker type with a particular bad line in prose. Or she might assume it's a joke. Or she might actually think it's all very romantic and exciting. According to the writer, the friend in his example fell into the last category until he had a chat with her. Presumably he shared with her the news that men who send women saccharine coated sh*t like that are usually concurrently sending the same kind of stuff to a dozen or so other women. she almost fell for it too. Amazing what a pretty pot full of lies will do to a woman. She went to his page, called him a liar, a sociopath, a scumbag and a bastard and deleted him. He responded with (an) appalling display of gargantuan egotism: A PUA might regard the author of that butterflies playing in hair drivel as a clueless AFC who writes cringeworthily drooling stuff to women who must surely laugh at him. Except that there are a lot of women out there who will actually welcome stuff about "Giggling star-pink butterflies flittering around your soul and essence, gently kissing the light-blue flowers in your hair" in their inbox. Any woman who has the sense to recognise it for the creepy, narcissistic puke-fest that it is may well overcompensate by rushing into the arms of the nearest "bad boy" - who does, at least, seem sane and relatively cool. Except for this: The bad boy might be nothing more than Mr "I should take this challenge and create for you a vast and never ending stream of warm, humming affection" after he's taken a few seminars on learning how to tone down his rampant egotism sufficiently to kid normal women (ie who don't like that kind of sickly, sentimental, insincere crap) that he's a cool, sane, balanced kind of guy. Except that he isn't. Whether he's sending sickly outpourings of adoration to dozens of strange women on the Internet, or memorising lines to wound strange women's feelings in nightclubs/bars....he's screwed up in the head. All a PUA course can hope to do for a guy like that is help him hide some of the symptoms from women, while providing him with opportunities to vent his narcissistic spleen. And while I'm sure that there are lots of men out there who really are just a bit shy, and feel they could use help in learning to speak to women....you've got to ask why men would floc for advice to someone who looks, talks and dresses like Mystery. Why wouldn't they just go on some sort of flirting course (these things exist) that's attended by women too? That gives people role playing opportunities to improve their interpersonal skills? Why do some men think there are magic tricks involved in this? Earlier on someone suggested to me that sussed as I might think I am, I'd be taken in by these guys without even knowing it. That's the thinking that these PUA courses promote. It's how they sell. "This is so good, and so clever that women won't have a clue you're doing it. Even women who think of themselves as smart and insightful. Remember guys, that you're smarter and more insightful than they are." Not really. Not if you're paying several hundred pounds for a pile of old cak like that.
shadowplay Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Whoops. Hold on... However, if you haven't f&%cked her within about 20 hours, she has already decided that you're not man enough to be her lover, because real men want sex and they seek it actively. In her mind, you have become an androginous, sexless friend after 20 hours without making any moves. :lmao:
kizik Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 However, if you haven't f&%cked her within about 20 hours, she has already decided that you're not man enough to be her lover, because real men want sex and they seek it actively. In her mind, you have become an androginous, sexless friend after 20 hours without making any moves. For the record, I think this is BS. Although it IS important to at least TRY for the kiss on the first date. Hi, Taramere, thanks for the thread. I didn't get it at first - remember, I thought I had wandered into the smelly women's restroom?
Author Taramere Posted July 9, 2009 Author Posted July 9, 2009 Hi, Taramere, thanks for the thread. I didn't get it at first - remember, I thought I had wandered into the smelly women's restroom? You're welcome, and I apologise for the smelly women's restroom you experienced. The trouble is that some women ingest a little too much choline in their diets.
Author Taramere Posted July 9, 2009 Author Posted July 9, 2009 That seems like a bit of an oxymoron, but imagine somebody who acts a certain way because they've been conditioned to since childhood. Charismatic people are performers. They're good at putting on a show, and they enjoy the attention they get for it. With enough positive reinforcement it becomes an ingrained part of their facade. This isn't bad, because other people benefit from their entertainment. I enjoy charismatic people, but I also realize that I'm being drawn in by a somewhat superficial (albeit entertaining) trait that doesn't say much about the person within. However, it's a trait I also look for in a mate, because I want somebody who I can have fun with. So it's good for piquing but not sustaining interest. I agree with you. I think we're all becoming more and more conditioned to have a short attention span as far as people go. The Internet doesn't help, in that it encourages us to pick up and drop conversations as we please according to whether they interest us - and it's hard for real life to compete with that. It's something I really need to work on, as I'll freely admit there are lots of times I'd rather cherry-pick the carefully thought out words and wit of strangers on the Internet than sit down and listen to normal conversation from friends. I've discussed that with friends - and far from being offended, they admit to being the same. "We haven't talked in ages. What have you been doing?" "Umm. Not that much actually. Reading, cycling, going to the gym. Er...talking to strangers on the Internet." "**** - I do that too. We need to talk more to eachother." "I know!" "Talk to you again in a couple of weeks then." "Okay. Let's do lunch!" "A thirty minute chat over coffee will do, don't you think?" "You're right. Let's not overdo it at this stage. We can work up to lunch later."
sally4sara Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Basic flirting. AGAIN, how is this any different from the content of a Cosmo magazine? It isn't different from cosmo. Then, Cosmo is lame. And the failing of most of the PUA you claim teaches men to respect an cherish women, is that it supposes all women must act a certain way or there is something wrong with them. If they don't respond to the techniques, its like they're defective somehow. The technique tells you they will respond to you or they are 3!tches. And why not, it is telling you exactly how you must act too! That is why it doesn't work so well; its fake.
Phateless Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 It isn't different from cosmo. Then, Cosmo is lame. And the failing of most of the PUA you claim teaches men to respect an cherish women, is that it supposes all women must act a certain way or there is something wrong with them. If they don't respond to the techniques, its like they're defective somehow. The technique tells you they will respond to you or they are 3!tches. And why not, it is telling you exactly how you must act too! That is why it doesn't work so well; its fake. Wrong again. That's a pretty big stretch to try and draw that conclusion. It's about GENERALITIES. Statistics. Trends. There are universal trends that ring true for MOST people. It never assumes to be true for everybody. It's called demographics. Now you're just clutching at straws trying to find some way to make it "evil."
donnamaybe Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 I have to agree with S4S up to a point. Some people have a hard time being comfortable around others and need help with their social skills. No biggy. However, this "pickup artist" BS is all about deceiving a gal into thinking the person they are being approached by is someone they are not. It is fake, and fake sucks. It takes a certain lack of integrity into trying to fool a girl to the point where a guy can get laid, and that seems to be, for the most part, what the whole PUA crap is about.
Author Taramere Posted July 9, 2009 Author Posted July 9, 2009 I have to agree with S4S up to a point. Some people have a hard time being comfortable around others and need help with their social skills. No biggy. However, this "pickup artist" BS is all about deceiving a gal into thinking the person they are being approached by is someone they are not. It is fake, and fake sucks. It takes a certain lack of integrity into trying to fool a girl to the point where a guy can get laid, and that seems to be, for the most part, what the whole PUA crap is about. They've got that base covered. It's easy. This looks in the mirror and sees this
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