donnamaybe Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 They've got that base covered. It's easy. This looks in the mirror and sees this LMAO! I have no doubt that the type of guys such as those in the first pic are truly a delusional bunch.
GorillaTheater Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 They've got that base covered. It's easy. This looks in the mirror and sees this Though to be fair, I think that's a common trait among men, PUAs or not. It also seems that there may be too much of the reverse among women, but I suppose that's a different thread.
donnamaybe Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Though to be fair, I think that's a common trait among men, PUAs or not. It also seems that there may be too much of the reverse among women, but I suppose that's a different thread. You are SO right about that! A woman picks herself apart to the point, sometimes, where NOTHING is right about her looks! So sad. I know I'm not perfect, but I also know I'm sexy and good looking enough that I turn plenty of heads. There are things I would like to change, but they don't make me forget about the good stuff about myself. And then there's the human being that you are, aside from the looks, and that is WAY more important anyway!
Author Taramere Posted July 9, 2009 Author Posted July 9, 2009 Though to be fair, I think that's a common trait among men, PUAs or not. Psychologists estimate that only about 1% of the general population are represented by picture one. 20% of the prison population, though.
GorillaTheater Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Psychologists estimate that only about 1% of the general population are represented by picture one. 20% of the prison population, though. Could you expand on this? I'm not sure what you mean.
Trialbyfire Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Psychologists estimate that only about 1% of the general population are represented by picture one. 20% of the prison population, though.This just goes to prove that getting laid doesn't help your looks...
Author Taramere Posted July 9, 2009 Author Posted July 9, 2009 Could you expand on this? I'm not sure what you mean. The toad is what I envisage a sociopath having in place of a soul.
GorillaTheater Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 The toad is what I envisage a sociopath having in place of a soul. Okay, I got it now. I was focused on the outward appearance. Deeper meaning is often lost on me.
Hi.P.O'Crit Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 It is fake, and fake sucks. The advice usually given though is just that, fake it till you make it. What is any guy who comes here who is not confident or under-confident supposed to do with that, either way you're gonna suck?
samspade Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Yep. PUAs really are just trying to shortcut the fact that they could care less about women as people... you know, living, breathing beings with hearts and souls. Seems to me that the art of picking up is exactly about not valuing women as people, and placing getting your dick wet at the top of life's priorities. That's a rather glib assessment. I've got news for you, buddy. The women these PUAs take home are willing participants, and living, thinking, adult human beings. A "PUA" knows this, and just because his approach gets faster results than yours doesn't mean he doesn't value women. If by "value" you mean putting women on a pedestal like a wussbag, then yeah, I guess you have a point. I kind of hate the term "pick up artist," because it connotes some kind of black art. All these men are doing is seducing women via more effective techniques than those the average, frustrated man uses. I'm not a PUA, but I do respect that they have a discipline and stick to it. And I'm sorry, but a woman won't go home with a man UNLESS SHE WANTS TO. Not every woman out on the town is looking for sex, but any woman who goes home with a man she met at a bar had to be at least open to the idea. Blaming the PUA for unlocking that desire is sheer player-hating - there's no better word for it. Pretty creepy sh*t. Guys who do this and who study up on it are pathetic, end of story. Pick-up stuff is essentially a replacement for the fact that you have no goddamn soul. It must be nice for you to be so much better than everybody else. What's really pathetic is spending a year on LS "coping" with your breakup, and complaining about the fact that only fat women like you, that you haven't had sex in a year, and that you have no friends. Of course, to you, men who are out living their lives and are sexually satisfied seem "creepy" and "pathetic." It's the only way you can legitimize your own sad existence.
donnamaybe Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 The advice usually given though is just that, fake it till you make it. What is any guy who comes here who is not confident or under-confident supposed to do with that, either way you're gonna suck? Well, what is being faked though? A good heart, or just a knack for verbal skills? There's a HUGE difference, and intent is at the core. If someone is faking an innate goodness where there is none, simply to get in a gal's pants, he's an a55hat. If someone is using verbage fed to them by a friend who wants to help them learn how to "break the ice" so they can then move on to, hopefully, a meaningful relationship, there's no harm in that.
donnamaybe Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 It must be nice for you to be so much better than everybody else. What's really pathetic is spending a year on LS "coping" with your breakup, and complaining about the fact that only fat women like you, that you haven't had sex in a year, and that you have no friends. Of course, to you, men who are out living their lives and are sexually satisfied seem "creepy" and "pathetic." It's the only way you can legitimize your own sad existence. You know, if you want to insult someone, at least have the gonads to include the name of the person you're insulting when you quote them.
kizik Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 It must be nice for you to be so much better than everybody else. What's really pathetic is spending a year on LS "coping" with your breakup, and complaining about the fact that only fat women like you, that you haven't had sex in a year, and that you have no friends. Of course, to you, men who are out living their lives and are sexually satisfied seem "creepy" and "pathetic." It's the only way you can legitimize your own sad existence. Geez, I wasn't even talking about YOU, but now you're so clearly defensive that it's obvious you're one of these creeps. Good shots below the belt there, using my threads and stuff to prove I'm a loser. I guess that's what you get for being honest on a public forum? Thanks for taking some really cheap shots there, Sam. While I was making statements about a group of people (PUAs), and later did a bit of reassessing based on Phateless' comments, you went for Character Assassination against me. Hope it felt good!
Author Taramere Posted July 9, 2009 Author Posted July 9, 2009 I kind of hate the term "pick up artist," because it connotes some kind of black art. All these men are doing is seducing women via more effective techniques than those the average, frustrated man uses. There seems to be a perception variation between men and men when it comes to the whole PUA thing - let alone between men and women. A lot of men appear to view it as you do. That essentially it's just about learning to flirt well and therefore increase your opportunities with women who know what the situation is and what the limits to that situation are (eg a one night stand). That's fine. On the other hand, it seems that in order to promote this art of learning to flirt well, some of the self-appointed gurus out there create all kinds of mystique around what they're doing. Observe at the start of this thread how a couple of the guys were very keen to tell women that however smart they might think they are, the pick-up guys will get one over on them. And I'm sorry, but a woman won't go home with a man UNLESS SHE WANTS TO. If she fancies the guy, wants sex with him and he helps the whole process of that tick along smoothly by good at flirting....or even just by not completely screwing things up/being unaware of any signals he's getting or too lacking in confidence to act on them, then I doubt many women have a problem with that. What I would object to is this notion that by some cunning sleight of hand, and using a trickery/conman mentality akin to that of a thief who hooks a woman's handbag from under the table, men are out there conning and hustling women into sleeping with them. A lot of the terminology applied probably doesn't help. Sam - the comment to Kizik seemed out of character. What's that about?
kizik Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 To Sam Spade: yep, fat girls like me, I don't have as many friends as I like, and I'm a troll living under a bridge. So what? Yes, I've been on LoveShack for a year. Your point? Was I supposed to leave? I think it's better, actually, if people like you leave. Your comment to me was malicious, cruel, and completely out of line. I expressed my opinion of Pick Up Artists - not you. You then attacked my personal character and tried to strip away my dignity. You acted very immaturely by saying those things. I hope you treat people with more consideration in the future. I'm pretty appalled, actually.
Surfer Dude Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 I don't like the word PUA. It has these messed up connotations. Perhaps I prefer to word "seducer". It eliminates all the negative connotations like weird clothes, magic tricks etc. A lot of women here identify the whole seduction community with Mystery and Strauss. Know that not every PUA uses magic tricks. Mystery uses magic tricks because he's a magician (it's his profession) and that's his style. It's also his style to dress in these flashy clothes. Most seducers are normal guys who totally blend in and you'd never tell that they have women skills. It's really smooth and goes unnoticed most of the time. And as for women who get "conned", well I doubt there are any women stupid enough to get "tricked" into having sex with someone. The only way to trick a woman is either to drug her and date-rape her, or if she is mentally handicapped and isn't aware of what she's doing. And both of these are a crime. It seems to me, more often than not, that most women screw a guy, experience regret later and just backwards rationalize it to themselves ("ooh, he must've tricked me", "ooh, it just happened"). Stop pretending like you're some delicate flowers who need nurturing and stop all this feminazi man-hating bullsh*t. This whole thread says more about characters of these female posters who waste endless energy on bashing other people than these guys who are trying to get good at something. Nobody is RAPING anyone, so F-off already!
Author Taramere Posted July 9, 2009 Author Posted July 9, 2009 And as for women who get "conned", well I doubt there are any women stupid enough to get "tricked" into having sex with someone. The only way to trick a woman is either to drug her and date-rape her, or if she is mentally handicapped and isn't aware of what she's doing. And both of these are a crime. It seems to me, more often than not, that most women screw a guy, experience regret later and just backwards rationalize it to themselves ("ooh, he must've tricked me", "ooh, it just happened"). Stop pretending like you're some delicate flowers who need nurturing and stop all this feminazi man-hating bullsh*t. This whole thread says more about characters of these female posters who waste endless energy on bashing other people than these guys who are trying to get good at something. Nobody is RAPING anyone, so F-off already! Watch you don't hurt your fists as you're banging them against the floor.
Phateless Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 There is no "trickery" involved. It's simple persuasion techniques, no different than women use to bring home the guy they want. The only difference is that it's more organized. Plenty of men lie WITHOUT using Game, and plenty of men use Game and NEVER lie. The people who claim that PUA stuff is evil because it "tricks" women into going home with men are the real ones who don't respect women. That's making the statement that women can't choose for themselves. It's true, SHE CHOOSES to go home with him. Any woman who says that she was "tricked' by a PUA is diminishing her own power of decision by claiming she had none. Is everyone in this thread REALLY making the assertion that women can't decide for themselves and are powerless against some simple psychology? Do you all really have that little respect for women?
shadowplay Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 LOL: "If you neg a chick who cannot stand negs (no shield/attitude, not so hot, low self-esteem), and with the wrong one you could hurt her self-esteem badly."
shadowplay Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 To Sam Spade: yep, fat girls like me, I don't have as many friends as I like, and I'm a troll living under a bridge. So what? Yes, I've been on LoveShack for a year. Your point? Was I supposed to leave? I think it's better, actually, if people like you leave. Your comment to me was malicious, cruel, and completely out of line. I expressed my opinion of Pick Up Artists - not you. You then attacked my personal character and tried to strip away my dignity. You acted very immaturely by saying those things. I hope you treat people with more consideration in the future. I'm pretty appalled, actually. Unfortunately that's par for the course on LS, I've found. Don't think all people will be above taking a low blow at you on something personal you've revealed. There will always be a few snipers and bullies on the fringes, just like there are in the real world. Just ignore the losers, and alert the mods when they cross the line.
Stockalone Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 This just goes to prove that getting laid doesn't help your looks... Life as a prison biatch can take its toll on people. Especially if big bubba and his friends won't take no for an answer. There seems to be a perception variation between men and men when it comes to the whole PUA thing - let alone between men and women. A lot of men appear to view it as you do. That essentially it's just about learning to flirt well and therefore increase your opportunities with women who know what the situation is and what the limits to that situation are (eg a one night stand). That's fine. I think that is because it can be both, depending on how it is used. On the other hand, it seems that in order to promote this art of learning to flirt well, some of the self-appointed gurus out there create all kinds of mystique around what they're doing. Observe at the start of this thread how a couple of the guys were very keen to tell women that however smart they might think they are, the pick-up guys will get one over on them. True, but that could also be a marketing strategy. This is a business, it would make sense to advertize your product as the Holy Grail of getting women. If your clientele are men who have no social skills and/or can't read the signals that women send their way, then you must convince them that you can and will solve their problems. You can't really sell your product if you advertize it as "we offer you a minimally better chance of getting women with low self-esteem into bed. Oh, and you can only achieve that if you become a lying, conniving bastard." If she fancies the guy, wants sex with him and he helps the whole process of that tick along smoothly by good at flirting....or even just by not completely screwing things up/being unaware of any signals he's getting or too lacking in confidence to act on them, then I doubt many women have a problem with that. What I would object to is this notion that by some cunning sleight of hand, and using a trickery/conman mentality akin to that of a thief who hooks a woman's handbag from under the table, men are out there conning and hustling women into sleeping with them. A lot of the terminology applied probably doesn't help. Well, it is a harsh world out there. There are plenty of women and men who lead others on even without that PUA stuff. I know this is not the topic of this discussion, but it sometimes sounds like there is no other evil out there in the dating world than men who use women. Women use men too, albeit usually in other ways, not for sex. And if women are afraid of being used for sex, then they should be more picky and think twice about having a ONS. I think someome mentioned that the idea is to get sex within a day, or even less and if that doesn't happen the PUA moves on. Well, what is being faked though? A good heart, or just a knack for verbal skills? There's a HUGE difference, and intent is at the core. If someone is faking an innate goodness where there is none, simply to get in a gal's pants, he's an a55hat. If someone is using verbage fed to them by a friend who wants to help them learn how to "break the ice" so they can then move on to, hopefully, a meaningful relationship, there's no harm in that. True, especially if you become a mindless drone who follows the dogmatic teachings. But I don't see the harm in taking useful information out of the PUA stuff. Granted, such information is few and far between but it makes no sense to me to not use that just because the PUAs use it too. But as I said, it also depends on the intentions behind, on that I agree with you. If you don't have a friendly Cyrano on your side, even some of the lame PUA stuff can be a better first impression than stuttering and never being able to break the ice that way.
donnamaybe Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 I don't like the word PUA. It has these messed up connotations. Perhaps I prefer to word "seducer". It eliminates all the negative connotations like weird clothes, magic tricks etc. A lot of women here identify the whole seduction community with Mystery and Strauss. Know that not every PUA uses magic tricks. Mystery uses magic tricks because he's a magician (it's his profession) and that's his style. It's also his style to dress in these flashy clothes. Most seducers are normal guys who totally blend in and you'd never tell that they have women skills. It's really smooth and goes unnoticed most of the time. And as for women who get "conned", well I doubt there are any women stupid enough to get "tricked" into having sex with someone. The only way to trick a woman is either to drug her and date-rape her, or if she is mentally handicapped and isn't aware of what she's doing. And both of these are a crime. It seems to me, more often than not, that most women screw a guy, experience regret later and just backwards rationalize it to themselves ("ooh, he must've tricked me", "ooh, it just happened"). Stop pretending like you're some delicate flowers who need nurturing and stop all this feminazi man-hating bullsh*t. This whole thread says more about characters of these female posters who waste endless energy on bashing other people than these guys who are trying to get good at something. Nobody is RAPING anyone, so F-off already! Geez, angry much? Do you seriously think there aren't guys who are adept at spotting women who have little to no self esteem and then use their very weakness against them? If you don't think that's wrong, then I feel sorry for any woman you come in contact with.
Phateless Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Geez, angry much? Do you seriously think there aren't guys who are adept at spotting women who have little to no self esteem and then use their very weakness against them? If you don't think that's wrong, then I feel sorry for any woman you come in contact with. Are there not women who do the same thing? How many women misrepresent themselves to guys to get them? Pretending they like things they don't, playing themselves off as secure and independent when they're actually nothing but. We read threads about it every day going both directions. Here's what will really blow your mind. THERE ARE GIRLS IN THE GAME TOO. That's right, there are girls on the forum.
donnamaybe Posted July 9, 2009 Posted July 9, 2009 Are there not women who do the same thing? How many women misrepresent themselves to guys to get them? Pretending they like things they don't, playing themselves off as secure and independent when they're actually nothing but. We read threads about it every day going both directions. Here's what will really blow your mind. THERE ARE GIRLS IN THE GAME TOO. That's right, there are girls on the forum. Oh, yeah. I agree. There most definitely ARE women who do that, and they are JUST as wrong!
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