lovebubble Posted July 4, 2009 Posted July 4, 2009 ... or at least that's what he says. i moved out last week and honestly, i was waiting on him to freak out.. because he does this every time we have seperated. i knew it was coming.. and it makes me wonder how genuine it is. over the past couple of days he sent quite a few texts and called. the texts said things like '' i can't lose my wife ''.. '' can we go to couceling? ''.. '' i'll never meet anyone like you ''.. '' this is so hard for me ''.. my main issue with him is, he is extremely childish. i've almost become '' mommy '' in this relationship, mentally and financially. even still, being seperated, he called to tell me that his car was broken.. as if i were supposed to help him financially?? and that he hasn't washed his clothes in 2 weeks because i took the washer/dryer that belonged to me. why dosen't he just go to a laundry mat? his first instict in any situation is to come to me, and have me fix it. we go half/half on the rent and coincidently he could not pay his half this month.. the month that i have 2 rents to pay ( the house we shared and my rental apartment ).. he gives me 400 out of 800 while he has on new clothes and shoes. i just cannot merge my finances with this kind of person. we've been married for a year and still have seperate accounts because i just do not trust him enough to share an account with him. also, his jealous/controlling side. part of me feels like this is only an issue because i'm young (22 yrs old) and i still want to have fun in way that i presume a single person would and he has issues with that. i want to travel, i want to club, i want to be able to go to parties and/or hang out late with my friends. i want to be able to have male friends. all of this is unacceptable to him.. understandably. we're like two bulls. both have hot tempers.. while i am the more dominant one in the relationship. we have been in some ugly fights.. and i just know that if i returned to the relationship, they would continue. BUT.. he wants to work it out. he wants to go to counceling (again). neither one of us are being unfaithful. all of this is eating me up inside and i want to know if i should just let my marriage go? i LOVE being on my own, everyday is an adventure.. opposed to the same everyday pattern of '' married life ''.. but, i am missing him incredibly. it's so hard being alone on the 4th.. when last year we were at the beach and completely in love on this day.. now i'm alone and my closest friends all convienintly got into serious relationships around the time of my seperation. it's very lonely. should i try? or continue on the path that i am on..
tojaz Posted July 4, 2009 Posted July 4, 2009 That depends on you, and what you love more. My wife left me, looking for independence. I was devestated because i was fully commited to her. If you love him, then married life is going to cost some of that independence. Not much, marriage is whatever you make it. If it's clubbing and hanging with friends until all hours, thats fine. If it's june cleaver and 2.5 kids thats fine too. Going through this all, I had to think long and hard what marriage meant to me, It comes down to four basic ingredients and then you add what you want. LOVE, RESPECT, COMMITMENT, FIDELITY! Everything else is negotiable. If you love him, try and work it out, but don't give up what you need in the process, don't lose yourself to love him. TOJAZ
Author lovebubble Posted July 4, 2009 Author Posted July 4, 2009 That depends on you, and what you love more. My wife left me, looking for independence. I was devestated because i was fully commited to her. If you love him, then married life is going to cost some of that independence. Not much, marriage is whatever you make it. If it's clubbing and hanging with friends until all hours, thats fine. If it's june cleaver and 2.5 kids thats fine too. Going through this all, I had to think long and hard what marriage meant to me, It comes down to four basic ingredients and then you add what you want. LOVE, RESPECT, COMMITMENT, FIDELITY! Everything else is negotiable. If you love him, try and work it out, but don't give up what you need in the process, don't lose yourself to love him. TOJAZ thank you so much! nothing meant more to me than being married to him. if there weren't other relationship issues, i would have easily traded every ounce of independence for my marriage.. but, after a while.. it stopped being worth it to me. after dealing with his jealousy on a daily basis, having to call the police on him because of the intensity of our arguments, being put in jail overnight beause he had a scratch on his arm.. after he pushed me down a small flight of stairs but, thank god.. i wasn't hurt.. *I* spent the night in jail. after all of the financial greif he caused because of his childish ways. after my personal belongings were being hidden from me and broken, because he was angry.. my freedom was no longer negotiable. after all is said and done, i love him to death.. and i know he loves me with all of his heart.. the relationship is just incredibly unhealthy. we're still very much in love, though.. never a dull moment in our marriage.. intimacy was perfect but, the arguing was incredible. i just don't know if it will ever be a '' normal '' marriage. we don't have any children or assets so, in that reguard.. it is easy to walk away but, i feel horrible knowing that we're still in love.. and i still can't find it in me to work our marriage out. i've just been so hurt over the years by the arguing, and so has he.
tojaz Posted July 4, 2009 Posted July 4, 2009 thank you so much! nothing meant more to me than being married to him. if there weren't other relationship issues, i would have easily traded every ounce of independence for my marriage.. but, after a while.. it stopped being worth it to me. after dealing with his jealousy on a daily basis, having to call the police on him because of the intensity of our arguments, being put in jail overnight beause he had a scratch on his arm.. after he pushed me down a small flight of stairs but, thank god.. i wasn't hurt.. *I* spent the night in jail. after all of the financial greif he caused because of his childish ways. after my personal belongings were being hidden from me and broken, because he was angry.. my freedom was no longer negotiable. after all is said and done, i love him to death.. and i know he loves me with all of his heart.. the relationship is just incredibly unhealthy. we're still very much in love, though.. never a dull moment in our marriage.. intimacy was perfect but, the arguing was incredible. i just don't know if it will ever be a '' normal '' marriage. we don't have any children or assets so, in that reguard.. it is easy to walk away but, i feel horrible knowing that we're still in love.. and i still can't find it in me to work our marriage out. i've just been so hurt over the years by the arguing, and so has he. WoW! I'm sorry, i should have sought out your other threads, I had no idea. This is abuse. How long have you been trying? How long have you been in counseling? Unfortunately, sometimes love is not enough. Nobody deserves to be treated like this. It may be salvageable, but it will be a very difficult road I'm afraid and even then, that is a lot to look past. I have just a couple of days ago lost a dear friend to an abusive husband. Her story started a lot like yours. Please do what is best and safest for yourself. If you do not feel safe with him, then you should not be with him period. Please be very carefull and take care of yourself. Keep posting and maybe try posting on the abuse board too if you haven't already. I'll be watching. TOJAZ
Author lovebubble Posted July 4, 2009 Author Posted July 4, 2009 WoW! I'm sorry, i should have sought out your other threads, I had no idea. This is abuse. How long have you been trying? How long have you been in counseling? Unfortunately, sometimes love is not enough. Nobody deserves to be treated like this. It may be salvageable, but it will be a very difficult road I'm afraid and even then, that is a lot to look past. I have just a couple of days ago lost a dear friend to an abusive husband. Her story started a lot like yours. Please do what is best and safest for yourself. If you do not feel safe with him, then you should not be with him period. Please be very carefull and take care of yourself. Keep posting and maybe try posting on the abuse board too if you haven't already. I'll be watching. TOJAZ we did 8 hrs of counceling and absolutely nothing changed. the abuse part is very confusing for me, as i'm usually the one to initiate it and i've been more abusive towards him than he has towards me. i don't feel unsafe with him but, he tends to bring out an anger in me that is very deep rooted and he is naturally a very angry person himself. it's a bad mix. i'll keep posting, and thank you for your very comforting advice. i appreciate it.
tojaz Posted July 4, 2009 Posted July 4, 2009 8 hours isn't going to solve anything believe me. I'm in counseling and have been for a few months, and have just started to scratch the surface. Working out issues like this is going to take a lot of time and a lot of commitment to both of you. Some counseling for both of you on your own would be benefical as well. Where does all the anger come from? It sounds like he is very controlling (I read a couple of your other threads). That has no place in a relationship. My wife accused me of this, and it was enough for her to leave. Yet I think I can honestly say i never did anything like this. TOJAZ
tojaz Posted July 4, 2009 Posted July 4, 2009 my husband and i will get into a screaming match. he'll usually pick up one of my belongings and break it, and then proceed to point into my face, punch a wall or '' pretend '' he's going to hit me. in which case, i'll feel threatend and completely attack him, out of anger. i'm just so weak mentally that i do not know how to gain control when i am disrespected. who's the abuser, or are we both abusive? sometimes i feel like i am being manipulated and that he takes some type of pleasure out of seeing me explode. You wrote that two weeks ago, this is not on you, that is all him. It's called emotional abuse. Even if he dosen't physically hurt you, doing these things is morally wrong! TOJAZ
SierraRose Posted July 4, 2009 Posted July 4, 2009 You can be married and be independent in a healthy relationship. I learned that after I tossed out my abusive boyfriend. Getting rid of an abuser is a very scary thing to do. I promise your life will get better once he is history; the longer you choose to stay in the cycle the harder it will become. Mine ended after 4 years. I was able to have him removed from our home and get a permenant RO. We were broken up only several weeks and he sweet talked another woman into taking him in. He has been living with her for almost a year. He has also been arrested 2x because of domestic violence with her. He now has "assault causing bodily injury" charges pending against him for attacking his g/f's Husband (that's right, she's married!) Abusers do not change. I pray, the H doesn't drop charges and the judge throws the book at him. Stay strong, and move on. You are young and deserve to have a partner that loves and respects you. Good luck.
Author lovebubble Posted July 4, 2009 Author Posted July 4, 2009 wow, thanks so much guys! today has been one of the hardest days for me so far. your posts made me realize that i need to seek therapy for myself.. and that's what i'm going to do as soon as this weekend is over with and offices are back open. i really need to dig deep and find out what attracted me to this kind of man in the first place.
Gunny376 Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 He's too immature to be in a relationship with you or anyone else. Generally speaking women are about 10 years more emotionally mature than men. He lacks responsibility (financially and otherwise) in being able to take care of himself, let alone a wife and potentially children. Jealousy issues? What jealousy is ~ is the fear of being able to compete with the least amount of competition. That is to say, his jealousy stems from his insecurities about himself and the relationship. He lacks self confidence to be able to stand up to any potential competition that may come along. My personal take on the subject is that if some gal can find someone who's got more to offer them than I do? More power to them! I know that I've got more to offer most women than they've got to offer me ~ and what I've got to offer is rare, hard to come by, and seldom found! No brag~ just fact! Life is just too freaking short to live with someone such as your "DH" Life is for living! Not being miserable. Life is for enjoying ~ not dreading each and every single day with some like you've described. You couldn't bail soon enough! Even rats know when to get off a sinking ship! Speaking of which? The only difference between your marriage and the Titanic? The Titanic had a band as she went down. Statistically? The divorce rate for men that get married under the age of 25? 90% In hindsight? I don't believe anyone (men nor women) should get married under the age of 30. Why? Both (More so men than women) simply lack the relationship experience to make it work and pull it off. All of this divorces you see happening? Has a lot to do with people simply not taking the time to "find out who they are" as individuals. We all need time to find out who and what we're about. To transition from being our "Mother's Child" to being ourselves! "What I would advise you to do is to get out of this marriage, learn how to become self-dependent, independent, self-supporting and find out who and what your about! Get yourself to where you don't have to depend upon anyone (not your parents and most definitely not any man). There's a world of difference between wanting someone and needing someone! I would suggest you pursue the former rather than the latter!
tojaz Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 wow, thanks so much guys! today has been one of the hardest days for me so far. your posts made me realize that i need to seek therapy for myself.. and that's what i'm going to do as soon as this weekend is over with and offices are back open. i really need to dig deep and find out what attracted me to this kind of man in the first place. Now your talkin! Gunny speaks more truth above then i could ever give. So? What are you going to do with your relationship in the mean time, stick it out or stay away? TOJAZ
sadintexas Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 thank you so much! nothing meant more to me than being married to him. if there weren't other relationship issues, i would have easily traded every ounce of independence for my marriage.. but, after a while.. it stopped being worth it to me. after dealing with his jealousy on a daily basis, having to call the police on him because of the intensity of our arguments, being put in jail overnight beause he had a scratch on his arm.. after he pushed me down a small flight of stairs but, thank god.. i wasn't hurt.. *I* spent the night in jail. after all of the financial greif he caused because of his childish ways. after my personal belongings were being hidden from me and broken, because he was angry.. my freedom was no longer negotiable. after all is said and done, i love him to death.. and i know he loves me with all of his heart.. the relationship is just incredibly unhealthy. we're still very much in love, though.. never a dull moment in our marriage.. intimacy was perfect but, the arguing was incredible. i just don't know if it will ever be a '' normal '' marriage. we don't have any children or assets so, in that reguard.. it is easy to walk away but, i feel horrible knowing that we're still in love.. and i still can't find it in me to work our marriage out. i've just been so hurt over the years by the arguing, and so has he. This is ABUSE. Plain and simple. If you try to justify it, rationalize it, or otherwise excuse it, you're just glossing over a very serious issue that WILL NOT GET BETTER ON ITS OWN. Not yelling at you, but making sure you understand the importance of this. You're young. Far too young to spend your life dealing with this. If I were in your shoes, I'd keep walking. You're already out the door, just don't look back.
Author lovebubble Posted July 5, 2009 Author Posted July 5, 2009 He's too immature to be in a relationship with you or anyone else. Generally speaking women are about 10 years more emotionally mature than men. He lacks responsibility (financially and otherwise) in being able to take care of himself, let alone a wife and potentially children. Jealousy issues? What jealousy is ~ is the fear of being able to compete with the least amount of competition. That is to say, his jealousy stems from his insecurities about himself and the relationship. He lacks self confidence to be able to stand up to any potential competition that may come along. My personal take on the subject is that if some gal can find someone who's got more to offer them than I do? More power to them! I know that I've got more to offer most women than they've got to offer me ~ and what I've got to offer is rare, hard to come by, and seldom found! No brag~ just fact! Life is just too freaking short to live with someone such as your "DH" Life is for living! Not being miserable. Life is for enjoying ~ not dreading each and every single day with some like you've described. You couldn't bail soon enough! Even rats know when to get off a sinking ship! Speaking of which? The only difference between your marriage and the Titanic? The Titanic had a band as she went down. Statistically? The divorce rate for men that get married under the age of 25? 90% In hindsight? I don't believe anyone (men nor women) should get married under the age of 30. Why? Both (More so men than women) simply lack the relationship experience to make it work and pull it off. All of this divorces you see happening? Has a lot to do with people simply not taking the time to "find out who they are" as individuals. We all need time to find out who and what we're about. To transition from being our "Mother's Child" to being ourselves! "What I would advise you to do is to get out of this marriage, learn how to become self-dependent, independent, self-supporting and find out who and what your about! Get yourself to where you don't have to depend upon anyone (not your parents and most definitely not any man). There's a world of difference between wanting someone and needing someone! I would suggest you pursue the former rather than the latter! wow, thank you. very wise words.. i know what i need to do.
Author lovebubble Posted July 5, 2009 Author Posted July 5, 2009 Now your talkin! Gunny speaks more truth above then i could ever give. So? What are you going to do with your relationship in the mean time, stick it out or stay away? TOJAZ thanks tojaz! i'm going to stay away. i'm on the right path.. it's just so hard not to look back but, i'm doing it. last night i have a major slip up i was ignoring all of his calls/texts.. then he sent me a '' drunk text '' at close to 2am. i could tell he was intoxicated and irrational and my motherly insticts for him kinda took over. after i texted him back and asked him if he was intoxicated and where he was, he started ignoring me. i called, and he ignored.. so, i drove to the house to see if he was there.. and like i thought, he was out. i just felt a little betrayed, 'cause after 3 years of being forbidden to party.. it's the first thing he does. i feel like i lived in a bubble for 3 yrs of my life. i texted him and told him that i knew he wasn't home, i just wanted to make sure he was safe.. he texted back asking if i wanted him to come home to talk, that he was only 5 mins away.. usually i would have said yes but, i walked away. i collected myself and left the home. i feel horrible about my impulse actions but, good about the outcome. i'm done obsessing about what he's doing. this whole relationship has been based on ownership, on both ends.. and i have to break the habit of '' owning ''. thanks guys, for being my rock through such a rough time!
Author lovebubble Posted July 5, 2009 Author Posted July 5, 2009 This is ABUSE. Plain and simple. If you try to justify it, rationalize it, or otherwise excuse it, you're just glossing over a very serious issue that WILL NOT GET BETTER ON ITS OWN. Not yelling at you, but making sure you understand the importance of this. You're young. Far too young to spend your life dealing with this. If I were in your shoes, I'd keep walking. You're already out the door, just don't look back. thank you! i'm gonna pick myself up and keep moving forward, not back.. i'm going to get counseling and do whatever it takes to make MYSELF feel better on MY OWN.. instead of using him to make me feel better.
tojaz Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 GOOD FOR YOU LOVE BUBBLE!!!:D:D Sounds like a very smart decision, and you did the right thing the other night. Stick around and let us know how it's going. It's going to be hard and theres going to be slip ups, but just keep moving forward, sounds like it's the best thing for you. TOJAZ
Author lovebubble Posted July 5, 2009 Author Posted July 5, 2009 this is extremely hard. it's day 8 and he's began texting me these long drawn out texts, some seem to be rational and heart felt.. and some are just plain out mean.. lots of accusations. i have this huge urge to defend myself!! but, i want to limit contact greatly. we still have a lease together for the next 2 months and that is the only reason i cannot change my phone number or completely stop contact with him. i just don't know what to do with all of these texts. my brain is racing.. the only thing i'm finding effective is to talk to myself outloud.. and respond to these texts, without responding to him.. lol sounds a bit crazy but, it's like a knife.. reading this stuff and not being able to defend myself.
Author lovebubble Posted July 5, 2009 Author Posted July 5, 2009 his last text said; '' u don't value marriage. that's why u want to have all this stupid immature fun bull**** that's not gonna last forever. marriage is supposed to be forever. u rather throw it away and look at no possibilities to make it work ''.. he has a wonderful way of making me feel 100% guilty.. but, HE WILL NEVER GET IT!!! i didn't leave my marriage to have fun!!! he will not acknowledge that the marriage was both physically/emotionally abusive and completely toxic to the both of us. i supposidly left my husband and my 4 bedroom beautiful home and comfortable lifestyle, to come live by myself.. in a crappy apartment.. because i want to have fun????? amazing.
Gunny376 Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 Every time you post about him, its clear to me that he's extremely immature, insecure, controlling, manipulative. You can't put this 'little boy' to the curb quick enough. Any contact you have with him? Will be seen by him as on 'opening' and your showing weakness. Do you really want to spend the next 40 or so years of your life, (many of them the best years of your youth and life) with someone like this? A real, self actualized, self confident, self assured man would not behave like the way he's behaving and say the things he's saying. Anyone who says 'marriage is for life' is not in touch with reality as it is. At best its a 50/50 long shot of any marriage working out. What you need to be working on is you! Figuring out what you are about! Deciding what you want in and out of life! Find out who you are and who you want to become. Discovering what kind of life you want to life, when, where, and how! What you have isn't a marriage? What you have isn't a husband. You've got a little boy. The first time you come across a fully self confident, self actualized, self aware grown man / Alpha Man you're going to blown away, in shock and awe! There's no going back to this guy. You know he's 'weak minded' and as a woman? Your repulsed by that. What's the No.# 1 thing women are attracted about men? CONFIDENCE That's not this guy! If he was? You wouldn't hear from him? You'd be sitting around thinking he fell off the face of the Earth, or took a trip in a nuclear sub under the polar ice cap ~ running deep and silent. Take sometime to get your head together, figure out the above, and go find yourself a real man! Not someone who has no control over his emotions / passions. Someone who has self confidence, self discipline, self control, and who's not a slave / idiot to or for just sex a woman has to offer. Someone who's in control of themselves, who knows what they're looking for, who's knows what they want out of life. Someone who knows there's no shortage of women, that the planet is covered up with them! Who knows they can go out and get a woman, but who's looking for someone who has the qualities, characteristics that you have to offer ~ who values that ~ and know that your unique among all the other billions of women walking around on the face of the Earth. Someone who 'mans-up' every morning when his feet hit the floor. Who walks like a man, talks like a man, acts like a man ~ not a little boy who got kicked to the curb with his pants down around his ankles. Someone who when they do get kicked to the curb by some woman? Says to himself ~ "Guess I'm going to have to get up early tomorrow morning and find myself someone new? DAMN the bad luck!"
tojaz Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 A real, self actualized, self confident, self assured man would not behave like the way he's behaving and say the things he's saying. Anyone who says 'marriage is for life' is not in touch with reality as it is. At best its a 50/50 long shot of any marriage working out. Ouch Gunny, that one stung a little.
tojaz Posted July 5, 2009 Posted July 5, 2009 Gunnys right about a lot of things. In trying to work things out with my wife, I did everything I could to stay in contact (wrong move on my part) and thats what he's doing. Don't play the game. A text message shows llittle respect for the situation anyways. TOJAZ
Gunny376 Posted July 6, 2009 Posted July 6, 2009 Originally Posted by Gunny376 A real, self actualized, self confident, self assured man would not behave like the way he's behaving and say the things he's saying. Anyone who says 'marriage is for life' is not in touch with reality as it is. At best its a 50/50 long shot of any marriage working out. Ouch Gunny, that one stung a little. There are few men who are born naturals at it ~ it comes naturally to them. Some such as myself and you have to be tested, and forged into such, to learn from the pain, and to see and learn the hard lessons that Life is trying to teach us? For the experience? You will never be the same again ~ the change is forever. Never again will you beg someone to let you love them! Never again will you be a supplicating shell of a man. Your eyes have been darken, but once you've walked through the fire that you are waking through now ~ you will forever more see the light! A man really call himself a man until he's gone through the pain of what I and now you are going through. You survive this Shiitake ~ YOU ARE A MAN!
Scottdmw Posted July 6, 2009 Posted July 6, 2009 It sounds like a really rough situation, and in the end only you can decide what to do. If you wanted to try and stay and work things out, I think the biggest key would be to get your own emotions under control as best you can. From reading your posts it seems like the two of you feed off of each other. That is, you both trigger the others destructive patterns. I'm not saying it's easy, but if you could break your own response to the triggers it might enable your relationship to change. You could choose to limit contact with him for a while, not respond to random texts and phone calls for example. If he wants to see you, he has to ask you out on a “date” and treat you with respect. Or at any rate, set up a meeting in advance, in public. Try to work on healthy boundaries. Don't accept bad treatment from him, leave immediately if it happens and make him set up another meeting if he wants to try again. Just as importantly though, also work on yourself to get that temper under control. Others are right when they say that you can't control what he does. Even if you suddenly started behaving perfectly, no one can say what he would do. It is possible it would be a catalyst for him to also change. It is also possible he wouldn't. The important point here for me is that I do believe it is possible for people to change, if they want to badly enough, and if others stop enabling them to continue in their current ways. Only you can decide if it's worth it to you to take the risk and make the effort to see if this can happen. At any rate I would suggest getting some individual counseling, more than just eight hours. Even talking with friends is beneficial as long as they feel comfortable challenging you at least a little bit. It will probably not help you to talk to someone who will simply take your side on everything. Remember, the easiest answer for someone else is always to encourage you to leave--it's simple that way. Also, read books or websites about personal growth and spend some time thinking about why it is that whatever he does makes you feel so angry. If nothing else you might learn something about yourself which would be beneficial for future relationships. Best wishes, Scott
Author lovebubble Posted July 7, 2009 Author Posted July 7, 2009 It sounds like a really rough situation, and in the end only you can decide what to do. If you wanted to try and stay and work things out, I think the biggest key would be to get your own emotions under control as best you can. From reading your posts it seems like the two of you feed off of each other. That is, you both trigger the others destructive patterns. I'm not saying it's easy, but if you could break your own response to the triggers it might enable your relationship to change. You could choose to limit contact with him for a while, not respond to random texts and phone calls for example. If he wants to see you, he has to ask you out on a “date” and treat you with respect. Or at any rate, set up a meeting in advance, in public. Try to work on healthy boundaries. Don't accept bad treatment from him, leave immediately if it happens and make him set up another meeting if he wants to try again. Just as importantly though, also work on yourself to get that temper under control. Others are right when they say that you can't control what he does. Even if you suddenly started behaving perfectly, no one can say what he would do. It is possible it would be a catalyst for him to also change. It is also possible he wouldn't. The important point here for me is that I do believe it is possible for people to change, if they want to badly enough, and if others stop enabling them to continue in their current ways. Only you can decide if it's worth it to you to take the risk and make the effort to see if this can happen. At any rate I would suggest getting some individual counseling, more than just eight hours. Even talking with friends is beneficial as long as they feel comfortable challenging you at least a little bit. It will probably not help you to talk to someone who will simply take your side on everything. Remember, the easiest answer for someone else is always to encourage you to leave--it's simple that way. Also, read books or websites about personal growth and spend some time thinking about why it is that whatever he does makes you feel so angry. If nothing else you might learn something about yourself which would be beneficial for future relationships. Best wishes, Scott thank you so much.. i just set an appointment today for individual as well as marriage counceling. we're gonna stay seperated and see where this '' real '' counseling gets us.
tojaz Posted July 7, 2009 Posted July 7, 2009 thank you so much.. i just set an appointment today for individual as well as marriage counceling. we're gonna stay seperated and see where this '' real '' counseling gets us. Glad to hear it, sounds like a great idea, keep us posted. TOJAZ
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