Trialbyfire Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 This is proof that even the most independent women deep down like to know they can depend on their men if need be. That don't want to have to but they like to know it is there.That's a true partnership, someone who's got your back when you need it. This works both ways, in that I've also got his back, even though he doesn't need it. I guess I see this as an expression of caring. Part of my language of love and also, most definitely part of his.
Woggle Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 If I really thought about it I am probably somewhat of a misogynist but I don't think I am that bad. I actually treat the women in my life quite well and I am not some ignorant chauvinist who thinks women should be barefoot and pregnant but things I have witness and experienced myself have caused me not to trust women until I get to know them very well. I don't feel that c-riouz is the female version of me because I feel that sexuality both male and female is a completely natural thing. I have no problem whatsoever with women checking out men, going to a male revue or checking out whoever the latest hunk is. This is completely normal behavior for both genders. I utterly despise cheating from both sides but nothing wrong with looking.
collegekid491 Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 *cough*bulls!!!*cough* Does anyone truly thinks that one gender needs/wants companionship less then the other? I mean, emotions exist in both genders, and at least out of all the people i know, wanting companionship is a priority even if it isn't their top one.
donnamaybe Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Uh, what does that have to do with ANYTHING in this thread? Someone said women in Canada are happier than women in the US.
Jersey Shortie Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 *cough*bulls!!!*cough* Does anyone truly thinks that one gender needs/wants companionship less then the other? I mean, emotions exist in both genders, and at least out of all the people i know, wanting companionship is a priority even if it isn't their top one. I certanily don't CollegeKid. I think both genders need and want companionship from the other gender. I do think there are indivuduals that are either more or less inclined to desire different levels of companionship. But I think most people do want it. I also think some of it is posturing to make it seem like they don't need the opposite sex. Truth is, we need each other. Of course men need women more than women need men. Proof: sex. Men are such slaves to their hormones that they even pay money to see women naked and to get some nookie. A whole porn, strip club and prostitution industry caters to them, but men don't need women. Rrrrrright. Just look at all the sexually-frustrated, whining 'my wife doesn't put out anymore'-threads on here. Men are so controlled by their sex drives; they make fools out themselves just to get a glimpse of a naked woman, or a pair of tits. Ridiculous. Sometimes I wonder if even men don't feel stupid that they are under such a strong influence (call it 'spell' ) and control by women. I agree, but I wouldn't say it's control *By* women, so much of lack of self control by men. There is a huge difference for me between those two statements. I think the things that feed men's egos sexually through porn and strip clubs acutually takes something away from men instead of giving them something, at least in the real world. In the fantasy world, it's all aces of course. But in the real world, they are loosing out big time. A slow death shall we say. Saying that strip clubs prove women have power over men is like saying that Home Depot proves we worship our houses or something. The funny thing about that statement is people DO worship their houses. How many people care about how nice their hosue looks, what they have in it, how it looks outside and a million other things about possessions and having nice things. Yes, men feel happy in that role too, and that's why old world manners and demeanor are so important in my book. Nobody wants to be protective towards a raging feminist/whatever they call themselves these days , at least I don't. ("Bitch, please." .) Sam Spade, I can agree with your statement that why would a man feel like being protective to a *raging* feminist. How come you were unable to make your point without feeling the need to put women dopwn in the process? (IE "Bitch, Please") Keep in mind while you rally against the injustices of raging feminists thatI no women is going to feel like openning themselves up to be vunerable with men that already are calling their gender names right off the bat, don't treat women fairly or don't even begin to consider her needs as a woman. And the one thing that is frustrating with many men is that they can easily throw around names ("Bitch please"), with such casualness to a degree on this board (and in real life) that you would have to be stupid to not understand why women don't feel liek being vuneralbe with you. I truly don't see the same level of name calling coming from the women's finger tips around here. Could you imagine if I made a similar statement but refered to men and said "Pigs/*******s/Losser, Please". How many men here would like that or would think that I didn't have any respect for men? Please be honest with yourselves here. Not ONE man would like it. So safe your commentary about the follys of women if you can't talk to women like people but have to resort to 12 year old name calling. So you want a vunerable women? Then be the type of man that makes her feel safe enough to do that. Saying things like "bitch, please" isn't the things that invoke women to you. Even on *just* a message board. It say alot about yoru character as a man.
clv0116 Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 The funny thing about that statement is people DO worship their houses. Ya, and cattle have power over me because I sometimes eat a steak.
Trialbyfire Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 In a nutshell, that's what screws up every possible hope for viable relationships. Power, control, insecurities and ego/pride games.
Ruby Slippers Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 I don't feel that c-riouz is the female version of me because I feel that sexuality both male and female is a completely natural thing. This is a skewed analogy. Both of you villify and make caricatures of the opposite sex for embodying the "evils" of their gender. The misandrist version of this is: "He's a pig who uses women as objects", and associated generalizations. The misogynist view is: "She's a bitch who uses men as wallets", etc. The worst of each sex live up to those stereotypes, but many of each gender defy them. Man hating, woman hating, race hating, etc. are all manifestations of fear that there are no exceptions to the rules and stereotypes. When you spot one of these, you know this person is being overpowered by his/her own fears.
C-i-C-u Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 I totally see your point EddieN! Yes, I do think a lot of men think that way, but, well, they still want to be dating, if not seriously I personally don't view my life like you outline, instead prioritizing my personality development in general, as influenced both by career and relationships. It's possible that my view is more female-typical, though I really wouldn't know. No, many men do not think like that. Many men have a women up there. Eddie is pretty unique and ambitious. I want to do similar things, write and direct my own films and even write books. I want to become a a judge llike my grandfather and quite possibly I would love to be a supreme court judge. I would very much like that and I am preparing myself. And I don't really think about women as some of my other male classmates who say they want to do a lot of things but are constantly talking about females and looking to settle down a hot piece of women!!
grogster Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 This is a skewed analogy. Both of you villify and make caricatures of the opposite sex for embodying the "evils" of their gender. The misandrist version of this is: "He's a pig who uses women as objects", and associated generalizations. The misogynist view is: "She's a bitch who uses men as wallets", etc. The worst of each sex live up to those stereotypes, but many of each gender defy them. Man hating, woman hating, race hating, etc. are all manifestations of fear that there are no exceptions to the rules and stereotypes. When you spot one of these, you know this person is being overpowered by his/her own fears. Well said, Ruby, although it shouldn't have to be given its obviousness. Combatants in the gender wars, whether here or elsewhere, give us noncombatants a view into their own demons and insecurities and absolutely no real understanding about how men and women actually live together in the world. Like racists and antisemites, misandrists and misogynists are prisoners of fixed categories, rigid perceptions and barely suppressed anger at the "Other" who oppress them. They are defined by their presumed "enemies."
Woggle Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 This is a skewed analogy. Both of you villify and make caricatures of the opposite sex for embodying the "evils" of their gender. The misandrist version of this is: "He's a pig who uses women as objects", and associated generalizations. The misogynist view is: "She's a bitch who uses men as wallets", etc. The worst of each sex live up to those stereotypes, but many of each gender defy them. Man hating, woman hating, race hating, etc. are all manifestations of fear that there are no exceptions to the rules and stereotypes. When you spot one of these, you know this person is being overpowered by his/her own fears. I feel like I just tell it like it is. No matter how mad people here might get at me they can't refute the facts I come with.
Ruby Slippers Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Combatants in the gender wars, whether here or elsewhere, give us noncombatants a view into their own demons and insecurities and absolutely no real understanding about how men and women actually live together in the world. Yes. Most people's posts on this very board reveal a tremendous amount of information about their character, disposition, prejudices, and insecurities.
sally4sara Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 I feel like I just tell it like it is. No matter how mad people here might get at me they can't refute the facts I come with. I've never seen a single fact in any of your posts. The only things you post that come close to fact is yer ma was crazy and yer ex was crazy. Do you remember that time, you know, in 4th grade when we learned to distinguish the difference between fact and opinion? You had the chicken pox or something and missed that one didn't you? You could always take a journalism class to figure it out.
shadowplay Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 I feel like I just tell it like it is. No matter how mad people here might get at me they can't refute the facts I come with. What facts? You don't have any. All you have is a few anecdotal experiences and you're using them to demonize a whole gender. Ever heard the expression, "the plural of anecdote is not data?" Take a course on statistics some time. One of the first things you learn is that anecdotes mean very little, as do correlations when it comes to assigning blame. You called yourself "intelligent" in another thread, but the thinking you've displayed on this board only suggests otherwise. As another poster remarked, on a basic level you fear that your stereotypes will prove wrong. You cling to them for some reason. Why? Is it because you wouldn't have a target for your misplaced rage if it turned out most women weren't as bad as you assume? Is it because it's too painful to admit that you just got screwed, that you were dealt a bad card, that the world is random and sometimes no one is to blame.
shadowplay Posted June 18, 2009 Posted June 18, 2009 Yes. Most people's posts on this very board reveal a tremendous amount of information about their character, disposition, prejudices, and insecurities. not to mention intelligence...
Author Isolde Posted June 18, 2009 Author Posted June 18, 2009 Ok this thread isn't about Woggle's merits so can we get back on topic? Thanks
Ruby Slippers Posted June 19, 2009 Posted June 19, 2009 not to mention intelligence... I think Woggle is intelligent. Honestly, I haven't been here long enough or read enough of his posts to have a great sense for him, but I don't think it's a lack of intelligence at work. Based on the limited amount of information I have read here, I think it's based on past hurts and the heavy scarring that has built up as a result. I get that. But at some point, you've gotta let all that **** go. Otherwise it consumes you.
c-riouz Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 I don't know what beef Woggle has with women, but as for my line of argumentation, do you really want to deny that sex IS important to men? Please. And that's what they need women for. So the thread subject is true. clv, your logic is flawed, as always. I don't need men to live in a house, or to drive a car, but men need women in order to - well, you know.
EddieN Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 I don't know what beef Woggle has with women, but as for my line of argumentation, do you really want to deny that sex IS important to men? Please. And that's what they need women for. So the thread subject is true. clv, your logic is flawed, as always. I don't need men to live in a house, or to drive a car, but men need women in order to - well, you know. Women want sex just as much as men, they're just more subtle about it.
Author Isolde Posted June 23, 2009 Author Posted June 23, 2009 To be fair, women need sex too, at least some women. It's not as primordial as the male instinct but it does add a lot to life, combined with cuddling and physical affection in general.
Woggle Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 I don't know what beef Woggle has with women, but as for my line of argumentation, do you really want to deny that sex IS important to men? Please. And that's what they need women for. So the thread subject is true. clv, your logic is flawed, as always. I don't need men to live in a house, or to drive a car, but men need women in order to - well, you know. Men don't need women to drive a car or live in a house either. The only thing men really need women for is if they want to be a father and even that way a man can adopt without having a b*tchy ex trying to sabotage his relationship with his children. As for sex a man can easily go to a prostitute and some men have the skills to be a player so there really is no need whatsoever for a man to commit to a woman. Why so many choose to do I don't know.
clv0116 Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 .... men need women in order to - well, you know. In the same way I need cattle to have a steak, sure. OK, you win!
c-riouz Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 Actually you do, or else you wouldn't be able to have that steak in the first place. And prostitution is even more proof that men need women - they even pay for it. I never said men need women for a relationship, but for sex (which IS actually the sad part), so why you bring up the relationship aspect is beyond me, Woggle. I feel kind of misunderstood, but I can't express myself better. Men on average have a stronger desire for sex, and yes there's prostitution, but that still means they need women for sex, because they're even willing to pay for it. Men like woggle always complain about women, but if all women suddenly fell off the face of the earth, I bet even he'd be a very lonely and sad man.
Woggle Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 Women like sex as well but it is much easier for them to get. Sure I like sex but you could build a life like female robot with grafted flesh and the result would be just the same. The only funtion women serve for men is a toy and a womb. Beyond that we can take care of everything else with no female input.
EddieN Posted June 23, 2009 Posted June 23, 2009 Women like sex as well but it is much easier for them to get. Sure I like sex but you could build a life like female robot with grafted flesh and the result would be just the same. The only funtion women serve for men is a toy and a womb. Beyond that we can take care of everything else with no female input. Fleshlight?
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