Author Woggle Posted June 14, 2009 Author Posted June 14, 2009 sounds like your mother was mentally ill. sounds like she would have been so if she'd been an androgynist. sounds like her feminism wasn't about equality but about her delusions and psychosis. the fact that you are judging the rest of feminism - a movement that encompasses many hundreds of years and the entire world - based on this very traumatic and painful experience of abuse by your mother suggests that you need some therapy, woggle. if you judged all people of color based on the fact that violence was committed against you by a person of color i would say the same thing. your anti-feminism looks a lot like PTSD to me. My mother is a psycho but she had a group of feminists ready to fan these flames and tell her that my father and I were the source of her problems. Of course most mothers are not this insane but many boys grew up fatherless because mommy wanted to find herself and threw daddy out. Feminism has had a horrible effect on the family.
sally4sara Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 this is a really interesting point you make. it is my feeling that boys suffer as well from this idea that their desire is paramount and uncontrollable. the fear of the feminine that seems to pervade our society means that boys who DO experience emotions of love and attachment in connection with sex are considered weak and girly. and how is a boy supposed to feel comfortable exploring his own desire if he is terrified that he's about to explode and rape the girl in front of her? what we teach boys is just as screwed as what we teach girls. this has always been my assertion. Yeah, but as feminists, and according to woggle, we cannot possibly be concerned with how these effects of patriarchal influences in our sexual education methods harm boys. We are only concerned with sticking our finger up at men and hedging them out of fatherhood. I've heard it all now... Women simultaneously wish to keep men out of fatherhood by targeting MM AND we seek single men to trap into fatherhood. Getting a little tired of getting blamed for everything over here. Oh wait no, THAT would be a man's woe from women never being happy and always blaming men Who blame women Who blame men Who blame women exhausting
dobler33 Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 My mother is a psycho but she had a group of feminists ready to fan these flames and tell her that my father and I were the source of her problems. Of course most mothers are not this insane but many boys grew up fatherless because mommy wanted to find herself and threw daddy out. Feminism has had a horrible effect on the family. woggle, you need help. seriously. this is utter crap. perhaps you're trolling as well? i can only hope. you sound like george f*cking wallace. check it before you wreck it, killer.
dobler33 Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 Yeah, but as feminists, and according to woggle, we cannot possibly be concerned with how these effects of patriarchal influences in our sexual education methods harm boys. We are only concerned with sticking our finger up at men and hedging them out of fatherhood. I've heard it all now... Women simultaneously wish to keep men out of fatherhood by targeting MM AND we seek single men to trap into fatherhood. Getting a little tired of getting blamed for everything over here. Oh wait no, THAT would be a man's woe from women never being happy and always blaming men Who blame women Who blame men Who blame women exhausting seriously. let's go have a drink and try to seduce poor unsuspecting men into being our slaves and then steal their sperm while they sleep so we can produce an army of man-eating lesbians to take over the world in the name of feminism. you game?
sally4sara Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 [ seriously. let's go have a drink and try to seduce poor unsuspecting men into being our slaves and then steal their sperm while they sleep so we can produce an army of man-eating lesbians to take over the world in the name of feminism. you game? I'm going to have to take a pass.... See, I am raising a boy and I wish to encouraging him to be a "player" and to use sex as a weapon against women. I hate men SOOOO much that I'm going to see to it he can never have an honest relationship with women. I listened to a guy who once knew a couple of misguided feminists (turns out his momma and SO!) and now thinks all women are that way. I realized it served my feminatzi agenda to perpetuate his opinions! So you see, I'm much too busy to go out for drinks!
dobler33 Posted June 14, 2009 Posted June 14, 2009 I'm going to have to take a pass.... See, I am raising a boy and I wish to encouraging him to be a "player" and to use sex as a weapon against women. I hate men SOOOO much that I'm going to see to it he can never have an honest relationship with women. I listened to a guy who once knew a couple of misguided feminists (turns out his momma and SO!) and now thinks all women are that way. I realized it served my feminatzi agenda to perpetuate his opinions! So you see, I'm much too busy to go out for drinks! shucks. ok, well, i'll just stay home and keep working on my "i hate men" crotchet castration knife cozy. raincheck when you've done turning your son into an instrument of oppression, k?
dobler33 Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 Why is this post in the OM/OW section? because woggle's original theory was that women get involved with married men because they hate men. it has clearly sparked some debate.
Author Woggle Posted June 15, 2009 Author Posted June 15, 2009 woggle, you need help. seriously. this is utter crap. perhaps you're trolling as well? i can only hope. you sound like george f*cking wallace. check it before you wreck it, killer. I am not trolling and I believe what I say. Radical feminism has killed the family in the west and a generation of boys and even girls to a lesser extent have paid the price.
Author Woggle Posted June 15, 2009 Author Posted June 15, 2009 If I ever have a son I will teach him to think the way I do and I am serious. Ever since I developed this mentality my life has been good.
LaGazelle Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 I don't feel that love and attachment to a woman are weak and girly but too often they do more harm than good for a man. The source of many problems for men is falling in love with the wrong woman so teaching boys to at least be somewhat of a player will serve them well later on in life. Um....you forgot to put the sarcastic emoticon or some other indicator that you are being utterly facetious....
Author Woggle Posted June 15, 2009 Author Posted June 15, 2009 Um....you forgot to put the sarcastic emoticon or some other indicator that you are being utterly facetious.... I am not being sarcastic. Players are the winners in the world of male/female relationship so why should we not push men to win?
LaGazelle Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 I am not being sarcastic. Players are the winners in the world of male/female relationship so why should we not push men to win? This is total balderdash. Players lose in the end because they can only play with teh "wrong" type of women. By the time they have finished playing and succumb to their need/desire for a good woman who can be an "equal partner" by their side, their reputation are in tatters, and no self-respecting woman would p%ss on them if they were on fire, so the best they tend to end up with is a much younger gold digger who can take them to the cleaners in a few years when her resentment at being with a a loser like him reaches the hilt.
Author Woggle Posted June 15, 2009 Author Posted June 15, 2009 This is total balderdash. Players lose in the end because they can only play with teh "wrong" type of women. By the time they have finished playing and succumb to their need/desire for a good woman who can be an "equal partner" by their side, their reputation are in tatters, and no self-respecting woman would p%ss on them if they were on fire, so the best they tend to end up with is a much younger gold digger who can take them to the cleaners in a few years when her resentment at being with a a loser like him reaches the hilt. Actually it's the nice loving man who ends up the loser when his wife is out screwing some player because she is bored. Just look at the seperation and divorce forum on this board. These aren't players and cheaters getting the I love you but I am not in love with you speech. These are devoted and faithful men in shock because their wife who they thought was a good woman did a 180% on them. These are men who did everything that women tell us they want in a man and all they got for it was a walkaway wife who resents the hell out of them and alimony payments. I know players and they don't deal with this crap and live much more drama free lives. For every woman that leaves them there is another starry eyed honey who has an addiction to bad boys ready to throw herself at him.
marlena Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 Radical feminism has killed the family in the west Well, perhaps, the family unit remained more intact before the feminist movement at the expense of women. Inequality between the sexes suited men just fine. If you had to choose between being a slave or a master, which would you choose, Woggle? I am not saying that I support radical feminism. Far from it. But I do believe in the equality of the sexes without this meaning that men should become women and women should morph into men. The two genders are different but in one thing they are the same: their right to be treated as equals.
dobler33 Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 I am not trolling and I believe what I say. Radical feminism has killed the family in the west and a generation of boys and even girls to a lesser extent have paid the price. please deliver your statistics, woggle. you seem so damn sure - can you make a correlative connection between feminism and, say, health care? or child abuse? or sexual assault? or education levels? or income levels? or food quality? or size of home? or size of family? or availability of jobs? or the quality of public schools? or the availability of family services? or the upkeep of public spaces? these are the things that affect the stability and health of "the family in the west". please. astound me with your impenetrable facts.
Author Woggle Posted June 15, 2009 Author Posted June 15, 2009 please deliver your statistics, woggle. you seem so damn sure - can you make a correlative connection between feminism and, say, health care? or child abuse? or sexual assault? or education levels? or income levels? or food quality? or size of home? or size of family? or availability of jobs? or the quality of public schools? or the availability of family services? or the upkeep of public spaces? these are the things that affect the stability and health of "the family in the west". please. astound me with your impenetrable facts. By demoting fatherhood to nothing more than a sperm donor and a paycheck it removed male influence from the home which was had a profound on boys.
dobler33 Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 By demoting fatherhood to nothing more than a sperm donor and a paycheck it removed male influence from the home which was had a profound on boys. too bad this is not what feminism did. again, do some research. you are fighting a losing battle here until you actually educate yourself on the history and context of feminism. knowledge is power, big guy.
dobler33 Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 By demoting fatherhood to nothing more than a sperm donor and a paycheck it removed male influence from the home which was had a profound on boys. also, this is crap for statistics. you need actual empirical evidence for it to be considered statistical, not just right wing a**baggery with some big words thrown in.
marlena Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 It´s true that boys need a strong and positive male role model in their lives. However, bad father figures have been around for ages. You can´t blame this or the demise of marriage on women, Woggle. Men are equally responsible for both bad parenting and the collapse of the family unit. Let me remind you. Not all were breadwinners, hardworking and committed to their families. Many were lazy, violent, abusive and irresponsible long before the women´s rights movement. Blaming feminism for all the ills of society is just a cop out.
Author Woggle Posted June 15, 2009 Author Posted June 15, 2009 It´s true that boys need a strong and positive male role model in their lives. However, bad father figures have been around for ages. You can´t blame this or the demise of marriage on women, Woggle. Men are equally responsible for both bad parenting and the collapse of the family unit. Let me remind you. Not all were breadwinners, hardworking and committed to their families. Many were lazy, violent, abusive and irresponsible long before the women´s rights movement. Blaming feminism for all the ills of society is just a cop out. Bad fathers and bad mothers have been around for ages but the attitude that fathers in general are nothing more than sperm donors is a product of militant feminism. For the record I have no issue with the women's lib movement because things certainly needed to change as far as gender equality was concerned but radical feminism is a whole different ballgame. I am not some ignorant male chauvinist who thinks women should be 2nd class citizens but I know that deep down radical feminists hate my guts so they are the enemy as far as I am concerned.
marlena Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 I am not some ignorant male chauvinist who thinks women should be 2nd class citizens but I know that deep down radical feminists hate my guts so they are the enemy as far as I am concerned. I know you aren´t, Woggle. You are far too liberal to view women through such a chauvanist prism. Chauvinism is, historically speaking, linked to a conservative mindset. As for militant feminism, I agree with you on that, too. I don´t like militant anything either. But, that said, sometimes things have to get a jump start just to get the ball rolling, so to speak. Sometimes, you have to have to go to extremes before you can finally settle for the middle road. I think this is what happened with the feminist movement. Although it made a militant appearance when it first started to gather force, today it is nothing more than a belief in human rights..that all people, regardless of gender,race,creed or colour deserve to be treated equally.
Author Woggle Posted June 15, 2009 Author Posted June 15, 2009 I know you aren´t, Woggle. You are far too liberal to view women through such a chauvanist prism. Chauvinism is, historically speaking, linked to a conservative mindset. As for militant feminism, I agree with you on that, too. I don´t like militant anything either. But, that said, sometimes things have to get a jump start just to get the ball rolling, so to speak. Sometimes, you have to have to go to extremes before you can finally settle for the middle road. I think this is what happened with the feminist movement. Although it made a militant appearance when it first started to gather force, today it is nothing more than a belief in human rights..that all people, regardless of gender,race,creed or colour deserve to be treated equally. I think I am so admamant about this because I saw what it did to my family and I saw my father get chewed up in family court. People say that NOW is not anti-male but if that is the case why do they fight fathers rights groups every step of the way? I treat the women I know with respect and as equals but I am not about to let any woman carry around my balls in her purse. I refuse to be like those men who wear a kick me sign and invite women to dig their heels in. Also militant feminism and the right have often found themselves on the same side of many issues. This is especially true with the 80s feminists like Andrea Dwirkin and Catherine Mackinnon. They are as uptight and anti-sex as anybody from the religious right. I always said that radical feminism and the religious right are two sides to the same coin.
marlena Posted June 15, 2009 Posted June 15, 2009 as equals but I am not about to let any woman carry around my balls in her purse. I refuse to be like those men who wear a kick me sign and invite women to dig their heels in. Personally, I don´t think you should let anyone carry your cojones in a woman´s purse or a man´s wallet! I know I wouldn´t.
Author Woggle Posted June 15, 2009 Author Posted June 15, 2009 Personally, I don´t think you should let anyone carry your cojones in a woman´s purse or a man´s wallet! I know I wouldn´t. True but I don't have romantic relationships with men. You better believe that any friend that betrays me is cut out of my life though. Betrayal is the worst thing you can do to a person in my book.
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