men and porn

[Jaytb]

Why is it that in all of these posts, people are always attacking MEN for watching porn?

Does it not occur to anyone that women watch porn too?

Or that women enjoy reading erotica?

Women use vibrators?

 

I haven't seen a single dude come on here and start talking about how he's so insecure because his girlfriend likes to use a vibe or watches porn or reads erotica..

 

WHY IS THAT??

 

And please don't say that it's because men aren't insecure.

Men are insecure just as women are.

 

PS. For those who don't know me, I am a female.

And yes.

I watch and enjoy porn.

So does my boyfriend.

 

yeah I know why is that? Women watch porn too. Why is the anti porn crowd hating on men only?

[sxyNYCcpl]

So basically you're saying your partner will never be enough, because the desire for something "fresh" will always be there? Or how is it supposed to be understood?

 

Let me give you my perspective. No person will ever, or CAN ever, provide every need for another person, be it sexual or otherwise. If you are a blonde with big boobs, you can never be a redhead with small boobs, and perhaps from time to time, your SO would like to see one of those naked. My wife is bisexual, and I don't care how big I am, how good I am, how many mindblowing orgasms I can provide for her, I can never be a woman, well at least not without a lot of surgery. Perhaps a bit of an extreme example, but applicable nonetheless.

 

And I don't understand how many here try to convince me how completely "normal" that is by telling me how they don't fantasize about their partner. That's nice for you and your partner.

 

I am in a unique position as much, though certainly not all, of my solo fantasizing does indeed involve my partner. Then again, because of our lifestyle, I have seen her in many sexual situations that most people never experience, and have pics and/or videos of a good deal of those.

 

I like to watch certain sex acts, such as girl-girl, that many people never have an opportunity to even see in reality, much less actively participate in. Unless you are willing to participate in acts that your SO enjoys seeing, it's quite impossible for him to revolve his fantasies around you. And my guess is that if you have this big a problem with the pictures he views, your willingness to participate is such activities is quite unlikely.

[sxyNYCcpl]

Maybe it's just me

 

Your words, not mine. Not that I disagree.

[missdependant]

This is an incredibly disturbing statement, especially coming from a woman. Those women in porn might not have the most glamorous job in the world, but they provide a source of entertainment and for that they deserve the same amount of respect as anyone else. Referring to another human being as an "object", regardless of the context, speaks volumes about you as a person.

 

Oh god.

 

Then tell me how I SHOULD feel about them.

 

I don't feel anything about them. I'll never know them, don't care to know them, I don't have feelings for them, nor do I need to. I use them, as well as the men in these videos merely as tools. And what are tools? Objects.

 

I don't focus my energy on the feelings of porn stars or actors. Should I be sorry for this? And does that make me a horrible, evil person?

 

No, because I focus the majority of my energy on what's REALLY important in my life (i.e. family, friends and REAL relationships).

 

I don't plan on forming relationships with these people, I plan on using them as objects. Wow, I'm so evil! I'm using them for what they're intended to be used for! LOL :-D

[gopher]

Why is it that in all of these posts, people are always attacking MEN for watching porn?

Does it not occur to anyone that women watch porn too?

Or that women enjoy reading erotica?

Women use vibrators?

 

I haven't seen a single dude come on here and start talking about how he's so insecure because his girlfriend likes to use a vibe or watches porn or reads erotica..

 

WHY IS THAT??

 

And please don't say that it's because men aren't insecure.

Men are insecure just as women are.

 

PS. For those who don't know me, I am a female.

And yes.

I watch and enjoy porn.

So does my boyfriend.

 

I love this quote!

[DarkestDreams]

Oh god.

 

Then tell me how I SHOULD feel about them.

 

I don't feel anything about them. I'll never know them, don't care to know them, I don't have feelings for them, nor do I need to. I use them, as well as the men in these videos merely as tools. And what are tools? Objects.

 

I don't focus my energy on the feelings of porn stars or actors. Should I be sorry for this? And does that make me a horrible, evil person?

 

No, because I focus the majority of my energy on what's REALLY important in my life (i.e. family, friends and REAL relationships).

 

I don't plan on forming relationships with these people, I plan on using them as objects. Wow, I'm so evil! I'm using them for what they're intended to be used for! LOL :-D

 

You missed the point entirely. Somehow, that doesn't surprise me.

[start-fresh]

You missed the point entirely. Somehow, that doesn't surprise me.

 

What was the point she didn't address then? I read a condescending statement from you judging her without even knowing her and she responded with how porn objectifies the actors. Can you explain how it doesn't do that? And, for the record I agree nobody should be treated as an object but that's exactly how pornography portrays the people in it.

[soserious1]

I've been thinking about objectification and was thinking.. is that feeling really kept to the narrow confines of what one views on a computer monitor ?

 

If the people in porn are "objects" then it stands to reason that if a man or a woman for that matter is thinking about porn objects while they're being intimate with you... then you are at that moment in time just another object,

a handy tool, like a human fleshlight or a vibrator.

[DarkestDreams]

What was the point she didn't address then? I read a condescending statement from you judging her without even knowing her and she responded with how porn objectifies the actors. Can you explain how it doesn't do that? And, for the record I agree nobody should be treated as an object but that's exactly how pornography portrays the people in it.

 

No, she didn't respond with that. Pornography does objectify the people in it, especially women, but apparently she actually believes women who do porn are, in fact, objects and not human beings inherently worthy of dignity and respect. Nothing more than 3 holes, eh? Of course, nothing wrong with watching porn, but God forbid we see the people who act in it as anything more than some subhumans. I'm glad there are fine women out there who keep perpetuating this ****.

 

I'm using them for what they're intended to be used for! LOL :-D

[missdependant]

No, she didn't respond with that. Pornography does objectify the people in it, especially women, but apparently she actually believes women who do porn are, in fact, objects and not human beings inherently worthy of dignity and respect. Nothing more than 3 holes, eh? Of course, nothing wrong with watching porn, but God forbid we see the people who act in it as anything more than some subhumans. I'm glad there are fine women out there who keep perpetuating this ****.

 

 

Hey, they're the ones who chose their career.

 

They have sex for money. They're practically prostitutes. I'm sorry, but is this supposed to be a respectable profession? Just because I didn't agree with you, didn't mean that I missed the point.

[likeORIGAMI]

ON THE TOPIC:

 

If he disregards the material he is using the SECOND after he is finished masturbating, then you don't have a problem. But if he's on his ass searching porn all the day and night, and you can't get him to spend time with you, THEN you have something to worry about.

 

Porn is just a visual aid. Simple as that.

[JanetD]

If the people in porn are "objects" then it stands to reason that if a man or a woman for that matter is thinking about porn objects while they're being intimate with you... then you are at that moment in time just another object,

a handy tool, like a human fleshlight or a vibrator.

 

 

I believe that if a person feels the need to imagine having sex with another person while engaging in sex with their partner, their partner is a human fleshlight.

[Jersey Shortie]

Northstar

Wow, you sound like a lot of fun to date 

 

What do my views on porn have to do with my ability to be a fun date?

 

 

Girl68

 

It's sad that you think men don't value real women. They do.

 

What is sad that we live in a point in history where more men spend more time looking at more graphic porn then any point in history and I don't think it's exactly making the world a better place.

 

What is sad is that women tell themselves that their men honestly respects them or women when he can turn around the second she isn't there and jerk off to a medium that other people here opennly state treats women in general nothing like an orfice. Or is it that you don't care if he respects other women? And want to think you are so special he manages to offer you respect while not respecting women in general?

 

It's a bit Dr. Jykel/Mr.Hyde no? Which is the real man? The man that puts on a good face to his girlfriend or the man in the moments behind closed doors enjoys seeing women used as a orfice for his own pleasure? Is a man's respect for a woman only dependent upon her status in his life? And if that is true then I conclude that the only reason a man respects a woman is by default of her connection to him, not because he really respects women.

 

On top of that, it sounds like that is what alot of women here are saying is okay and I find that atrocious. Women that are okay with their man using other women as objects are okay with it because of their own insecurity. Because it makes those women feel good to put down these "other women" so that she can feel elevated in status in a man's life. That is what I think is born out of these comments by other women that it shouldn't matter how a man sees and views other women other then her.

 

 

You're taking the facts and concluding the most absurd things from them. Since when does a mans porn use mean that he doesn't give a hell what his girlfriend does for him!

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Of course he gives a hell about what his girlfriend does for him. He wants a world where he can have a great girl that caters to his real life needs and all the women in his fantasy world that he can pretend he is kind of his domain over. And as a woman, it seems like we are expected to smile , spread our legs and not think about our own needs because frankly, we just are all that important to men. At the end of the day, the man is more important and men don't seem to really give a crap about really looking out for their women. They care about looking out for number one first. And looking out for number one means defending his porn use AND having a real life woman. Most men today need both. They can not be happy with the one woman in their life. But remember as a woman you are suppose to feel happy and secure in the meager scraps that he wants you to accept.

 

 

I mean I'm one thing that I don't adore the fact that my lover looks at porn on a regular basis but never would I conclude that he doesn't care less about the nice things I do for him or that I'm just not enough for him.

 

Well I have personally come to a point where I am sick of giving, giving and giving and trying to meet a man's needs only to have it thrown in my face the second I am not there and him seeking out other women to pleasure himself too. Are men completely unable to practice selfcontrol? If I ate chocolate to the same degree most men viewed porn, I would be fat. All my effort obviously matters very little I have come to learn. Whether I do those kinky things with him and have a good time, whether I don't, he is still going to look at the porn. I have stoped trying so hard because obviously there is very little point in trying hard when a men don't seem to be happy or as eager to meet your needs in return and rather sit there and defend their porn use then really learn to live and engage in real life with their real woman.

 

 

 

Clv

 

The best approach I've experienced so far is when my GF walks in, she sits down, looks at it with a little curiosity and then starts fooling around. If you want to take a guys mind off porn, this should work. After a few times of that I just started skipping the porn and going straight to her.

 

A lot of the appeal (I believe) is that porn is 100% available, never says no or even hints that it's not in the mood.

 

I find both these statements very curious. Why is it a woman's responsibility to get a man's mind off porn? Why is a man not able to do this himself? Why do we have to babysit guys? I mean really, the situation you described makes it seem that men are nothing more then 12 year olds we need to babysit and divert their attention with sparkly toys. Please stop pushing all the responsiblity on women and stand up as a man and admit that YOU have the power to control yourself. IT's not your woman's responsibility to distract you. It's YOUR responsibility. If you want your woman to be engaged with you, BE engaged with your woman. A man sitting like a doof infront of his screen with a goofy smile on his face being more engaged with his computer and expecting his partner to want to waltz in and be intimate with him is completely selfish and arrogant and rather passive. Who wants a passive man?

 

As for your second statement, that is the exact problem. Porn is 100% there and never says no because porn ISN'T REAL. The fact that you attatch human descriptions to something like porn and use it to make women feel bad about the fact that they actually have their own needs and don't always feel like having sex and use it to defend men is ridiculous.

 

 

 

You’Reasian

 

JS, you're giving off a defeatist attitude!

 

Because I give up. I use to have a much more naive and sparkly attutide about men and you start to have enough experiences that you realize that men just don't care like you thought they would. They rather defend pornography. And if they rather defend porn, then that is CLEARLY what is important to them. I don't sit around defending things that aren't important to me.

 

 

Well the reverse is true, I doubt women would complain if we all looked like male porn stars - except Ron Jeremy, maybe

 

I sincerely encourage you to ask women that question. From the porn I have seen the men are pretty average or downright ugly. I don't think women have the same response to male porn stars that men seem to have to female porn stars. I don't think women get excited from looking at the body and faces of male porn stars. I am 98% sure of this. But please ask other women if you don't believe me.

 

One woman is enough for this guy. she just has to be able to keep up



 

Again, this is an insinuation that it is *her* that has the responsibility while he can run around and do what he pleases and *she* needs to do x, y or z. Do men have no responsiblity?

 

lilrascal

 

It kind of just feels like a double standard, he can watch porn and get off to the image of another girl but I can't go to dinner with a friend?!?!

 

It i a double standard. And if he won't give up porn I don't know why you are giving up dinner with your gay friend. If he isn't going to make efforts with you, why should you?

 

 

lora

 

As a side note, I very much doubt that any guy sincerely wishes he could bang a stretched out porn star who's boned tons of guys, no matter how good looking she is...trust me, when I watch porn, I'm not thinking "damn, I wanna get with ....". It's just an image.

 

I am sorry but Lora calling a porn star "stretched-out" or other demeaning discriptions is about your insecurity and wanting to place yourself at a level above the porn star. And when a man does it, it's for the same reason. It's funny that so many people waste their time getting pleasure from these people yet feel that they can put these people down at the same time. Sorry. But you are not better then a porn star. And maybe he doens't want to have sex with a porn star but that's not really want matters. He is still thinking about having sex with her.

 

 

missindependent

Who cares? He doesn't view ME as an object.. so why should I care how he feels about other women...?

 

Yeah he does. If a man view other women as objects don't think your so special that he doesn't, in some way, view you as an object. He might treat you nicer. But his respect is born out of your association with *him* more then its born out of a deep respect for women. If you are happy with that, that's your choice. But don't kid yourself that it's real respect. His respect for your is dependent on your role in his life. *Him* being the key word here. Not *you*. It's not about respect for you. It's about him, and default you. I can further explain it if you don't get what I am saying.

 

 

I'm in his life to provide him with companionship. I am able to give him things that no porn star will EVER be able to give him. I can have his children, cook for him, love him; not only that, but I can satisfy the majority of his sexual needs.

 

I use to look forward to these things but I dont so much anymore. My thought is that I can give him all these things and when I am 40, he still will be looking at porn of the same age group girls. So despite what I gave him, what did it really matter. I will never win with him. I will never be enough no matter what I give of my life to him. And alot of women, not you, but alot received the same message. And frankly, men don't care that htey do. The responses here are clear on that.

 

 

I'm NOT in his life to serve as nothing but a sexual object. To him, I mean much more than that.

 

No woman alive, in porn or not, is not meant to serve as nothing more then a sexual object to men. You aren't as special as you want to think above other women. Sorry.

 

 

Mind you if I could do my GF everytime I felt the urge I would not watch porn but thats not the real world

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That's right, that is the real world. And in the real world it looks like men don't expect to use self control when they can scape goat out of it. That's what is so frustrating. Men don't want to control themselves anymore. It's all dependent on apparently what their gf does or how avaible she is. When does it become dependent on a man to take responsiblity? I am sorry abut if I did everything I felt every time I felt it, I would be a lazy excuse of a human being. That's the hard cold fact. Sounds to me that men are getting lazy.

[GorillaTheater]

Blah blah blah. Many if not most of the previous posts are from women who say they use porn, but once again we get the "men suck" blather from JS in response.

 

Just once I'd like to see JS engage women who use porn. Do they suck too? How about women who use vibrators? Or read romance novels? Or who have any one of many needs (or desires, if you wish), met by sources other than their SO?

 

Or maybe it IS that men suck. In that event I wish JS luck in finding one.

[missdependant]

LOL, JerseyShortie..

 

I'm sorry that you need to spend so much time focusing on the shallow qualities of the world.

 

I don't need you to tell me that my boyfriend views me as an object, because he doesn't. He's not intimate with porn, he's intimate with me. So sorry if it sounds stuck up, but yes. I am more important to him than porn.

 

There is a difference between love and infatuation. I've felt real love and lived real life with him. The girls in his dirty vids haven't.

 

So yes.. I mean more to him than they do.

 

I'm sorry if you'll never be able to see the deeper, more intimate parts of relationships.

[Jersey Shortie]

Blah blah blah. Many if not most of the previous posts are from women who say they use porn, but once again we get the "men suck" blather from JS in response.

 

 

Ridiculous because I never said men suck. That's your own insecuirty talking. I talked about the issue I, and alot of women face. Yes, there are women that also view porn and I never said I spoke for those women. But there are alot of women that are hurt by it, bothered by it or do manage to put up with it despite feeling upset over it. For once I would like to see YOU admit that.

 

 

Just once I'd like to see JS engage women who use porn. Do they suck too? How about women who use vibrators? Or read romance novels? Or who have any one of many needs (or desires, if you wish), met by sources other than their SO?

 

When you give my response more respect then "blah, blah blah..", I will give your questions above the respect of a response. But I don't see the point in asnwering any of your quesitons when you treat my response or questions with little regard. And to be honest, it's a little ignorant to expect me to want to answer your questions after responding to my post which I clearly struggle with with something so plithly as "blah blah blah".

 

Or maybe it IS that men suck. In that event I wish JS luck in finding one.

 

Again, that's your own insecurity about how you feel as a man then anything I said.

 

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I'm sorry that you need to spend so much time focusing on the shallow qualities of the world

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Shouldn't you be saying that statement to your boyfriend or the other men who actually spend their time looking for shallow quailties. This makes no sense applied to me while engaging in a through provoking discussion.

 

I don't need you to tell me that my boyfriend views me as an object, because he doesn't. He's not intimate with porn, he's intimate with me.

 

I didn't say your boyfriend views you as an object. What I did question is if his respect for you is born out of a deep respect for you or for your place and status in his life. Because if he can't respect women in general, how do you honestly expect him to really respect you?

 

There is a difference between love and infatuation. I've felt real love and lived real life with him. The girls in his dirty vids haven't.

 

So what? He still takes time out of his day to look and search for other girls in a video, despite all the things you do for him.

 

So yes.. I mean more to him than they do.

 

I'm sorry if you'll never be able to see the deeper, more intimate parts of relationships

 

lol, but I NEVER said you didn't mean alot to him. The fact remains that obviously what men want out of life is a real girl to cater to his real life needs and x amount of other women to meet his other needs. Togheter, with these two things, he can be happy. He can't be happy with just his one girls. And when we are in our 40s and 50s, we can watch the man we love still look at 18-25 year olds, perhaps at girls who are his own daughters age.

[carhill]

What do my views on porn have to do with my ability to be a fun date?

 

Tell us about that fun date. That's a thread I truly would love to read

[Jersey Shortie]

Why? because you think I am a horrible human being like apparently most of the guys around here do just because of my porn views?

[missdependant]

You didn't? LOL

 

Yeah he does. If a man view other women as objects don't think your so special that he doesn't, in some way, view you as an object.

 

Grow up.

[GorillaTheater]

Ridiculous because I never said men suck. That's your own insecuirty talking. I talked about the issue I, and alot of women face. Yes, there are women that also view porn and I never said I spoke for those women. But there are alot of women that are hurt by it, bothered by it or do manage to put up with it despite feeling upset over it. For once I would like to see YOU admit that.

 

 

 

 

When you give my response more respect then "blah, blah blah..", I will give your questions above the respect of a response. But I don't see the point in asnwering any of your quesitons when you treat my response or questions with little regard. And to be honest, it's a little ignorant to expect me to want to answer your questions after responding to my post which I clearly struggle with with something so plithly as "blah blah blah".

 

 

 

Again, that's your own insecurity about how you feel as a man then anything I said.

 

 

Yes, of course I'm insecure. I'm a man after all, and I suck.

 

I'm not going to pull all (or even some) of your quotes which paint men as a whole negatively; I shouldn't have to. If you can't see it for yourself, then no amount of my quoting will convince you otherwise.

 

Of course alot of women have a problem with porn; that much is obvious. And like men they have to determine what they will or will not put up with in a relationship. But here's the thing: I get why women have a problem with porn. I'm not defending porn or even questioning your position on porn itself so much as I'm expressing my impatience at men getting painted with a broad brush ("women are not important to men", "men don't care about the needs of women", "men are lazy").

 

So, it's not your views on porn but rather the conclusions you draw from your views that I find intellectually lazy and facile. And I suspect those conclusions would readily crumble if you honestly engaged with women who've stated that they enjoy porn. Or use vibrators. Or read romance novels.

 

Or you can keep on calling me insecure. That certainly seems to be the retort of choice.

[carhill]

Why? because you think I am a horrible human being like apparently most of the guys around here do just because of my porn views?

No, and you know me better than that. I think balance is a good thing in life and wish that kind of happiness for you

[start-fresh]

Is a man's respect for a woman only dependent upon her status in his life?

 

Yes. Respect is earned. Do you honestly think women that make porn are concerned the people viewing them respect them? I respect the people, both men and women, that are in my life and have earned that respect. I don't owe anything to some nameless person I see on a screen. Certainly a lack of respect for someone that chooses to sell his/her body on screen doesn't translate to a hate for women everywhere.

[sxyNYCcpl]

Again, that's your own insecurity about how you feel as a man then anything I said.

 

Please.

 

This whole issue boils down to insecurity on the part of the "offended" party. You worry that your SO watching porn means that he doesn't care about you, or that he doesn't really want you, or that he would, if he could, leave you for someone else. If you (or anyone else for that matter) do not have these worries, then your SO's use of porn, so long as it is not genuinely compulsive, would be no more meaningful to you than his bathroom habits.

 

If your relationship is genuine, porn is not a threat.

 

If your relationship is genuine, your SO taking a trip through the Dallas Cowboy Cheerleaders locker room is not a threat.

 

You keep using the same tired arguments over and over and over again, and repetition doesn't make them any more valid. Your expectations about the nature of human behavior vis-a-vis our interaction with our sexuality is unrealistic, and until and unless you are able to adjust your expectations to more closely resemble reality, you will continue to be unable to find happiness. Repeating yourself on LS will not ever change the reality that is the human condition.

[sxyNYCcpl]

They need anal, or bandage or rape scenes to get off. Scary... and sad for society.

 

People like what they like.

 

Speaking only for myself, anal isn't that big a deal, we do it from time to time but it's relatively infrequent. A little light bondage is also entertaining occasionally, but I'm not into viewing nor participating in any kind of rape scenes.

 

OTOH, I like things that some others don't.

 

The real key to happy sexuality is finding a partner that is more or less on the same sheet of music that you are. No such thing as 100% compatibility of course, but if you are lucky you may get 80-90%.

 

I think part of the problem is that people don't discuss such things, especially early in a relationship. We get so caught up in how we think (or more to the point, how we've been taught) things are "supposed to" be that we frequently ignore how things actually are, or what we really want.

 

And yes, I think viewing porn while simultaneously claiming to have an issue with his doing so is very hypocritical.

[girl68]

So basically you're saying your partner will never be enough, because the desire for something will always be there?

And I don't understand how many here try to convince me how completely "normal" that is by telling me how they don't fantasize about their partner. I, however, do ONLY fantasize about my partner and nothing turns me on like him. So maybe that's why I don't understand the need for "constant supply of new women" via porn or subconscious fantasies about the hot cashier. I guess I really just would love to be the only one in return, but I guess I'll never be enough for one man.

 

You're thinking that it happens all the time, every day, with every attractive person. No, it's just every once in a while I'll think "oh lalala... he's sexy... " I mean do I go around thinking about the hot sex I'd have with that guy, or that one, or the one over there? No. I'm not a bad person for letting my mind wonder every once in a while. Your not the thought police you're not allowed to tell me that thinking about another man from time to time is bad, or sinful. Because you don't doesn't mean I can't. FYI, it's not just men, as you can see- I'm a girl and I'm proving your men and "constant supply of new women" theroy wrong.

 

Enough is a term to be interpreted by each person. I am "enough" to my man: he shall not seek sex from another woman. I give him enough emotional love. Does that mean he's not allowed to need his mother to love him, his dad for advice, his friends for support. In that sense I am not enough. He needs other people. No, you will never be soley enough for a man- nor should he be to you.

 

What is sad is that women tell themselves that their men honestly respects them or women when he can turn around the second she isn't there and jerk off to a medium that other people here opennly state treats women in general nothing like an orfice. Or is it that you don't care if he respects other women? And want to think you are so special he manages to offer you respect while not respecting women in general?

 

Oh my goodness. Here you still blab on about how well you presume to know my bf and the other porn users! Do you REALLY honest to god think that my man disrespects me? Sorry sweetie, I'll disprove you on the spot. He does respect me, treats me as a lady, and does not porno f**k me like a whore. He treats other women with respect, his momma, sister, aunties, randoms... So please, don't think you can just assume all porn watching me are arogant bastards who don't treat women with respect.

 

FYI, I watch porn do I disrespect my own kind? (Retorhical question for you, the answer is of course I respect women)

 

If a man view other women as objects don't think your so special that he doesn't, in some way, view you as an object. He might treat you nicer. But don't kid yourself that it's real respect. His respect for your is dependent on your role in his life. *Him* being the key word here. Not *you*. It's not about respect for you. It's about him, and default you. I can further explain it if you don't get what I am saying.

 

Here you go again. I am special- you know why? Because I don't spread 'em and "oh oh oh... harder baby harder". You know why else? Becasue I love him, I take care of him, I show him love, I support him, I comfort him. I show him respect watching people have sex does not equate to disrespect.

Or please keep on explaining. *rolls eyes*.

 

No woman alive, in porn or not, is not meant to serve as nothing more then a sexual object to men. You aren't as special as you want to think.

 

Now, you really did it... You're absolutely absurd. You, are nothing more than an object- I am the world and more to some- thanks. I'm am the most special person who can do the most amazing things to those I love. I am not an object. I am a person, with emotion, feeling, affection and conversation. You can look in the mirror and see pussy and tits and nothing more all you like. I will not be seen as just that.