amaysngrace Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 People that have serious problems cant go even one day without it. That's not true. What is true is that most people don't keep track of how long they've gone without a drink unless they have a problem.
BCCA Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 That's not true. What is true is that most people don't keep track of how long they've gone without a drink unless they have a problem. Thats an interesting point. I had a friend who quit smoking, and he made a concious effort not to keep track of the last time he had a cigarette for that reason.
Glenn Quagmire Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 That's not true. What is true is that most people don't keep track of how long they've gone without a drink unless they have a problem. It's hysterical to watch you people try to establish these minimalistic lowest common denominators to alcoholism. Ummm yeah ... people without webbed feet are alcoholics. As are women who pant during sex and midgets with two legs.
Author MeMyself&I Posted May 26, 2009 Author Posted May 26, 2009 An alcoholic is not usually measured by the amount of alcohol they drink alone. It's not even the primary thing they look at. As a 5'2, 125 pd. woman compared to a 6'2 220 pd man I would not be able to drink as much. Plus women process alcohol slower as do asians. Now if you can look at each case independently and weigh those facts and if you can see an obvious tolerance (for example, someone is pulled over with a BA of .25 and still functioning) there is definitely a sign of alcohol abuse. But as I said one of the main characteristics of an alcoholic is that you continue to use despite adverse consequences in your life. AND......there is nothing wrong with a person saying "I'm going to go out and get F#cked up". It's the person who says they are only going to have a few and then consistently get F#*ked up (they are not in control of the alcohol it controls them). In the first scenario they probably arranged a Designated Driver. In the 2nd, they probably didn't think they needed to and may drive impaired. None of this is written in stone but much of it is possible. And yes, I've seen this and I've done this. And there is such a thing as a functional alcoholic. I've dated them. AND you don't have to drink every day all day to be an alcholic. I went a year without drinking many times because of my pregnancies and breastfeeding and with long breaks between going out other times too. Alcohol would expire (beer) in my house and hard alcohol if I had it would sit for years. I was a social drinker on the weekends.......if at all. Many times I went out and was fine. But the fact IS the times I wasn't fine I was jumping in my car and putting others, myself and my children at risk of not having a mother........and that's what defined me. (and no I did not drive with my kids drunk in the car) I'm only saying this because alcoholics come from all genders, race, social class and economic backgrounds. And anyone can tell someone they are an alcoholic but until they believe it it won't matter. AND I'M NOT TELLING ANYONE HERE THEY ARE OR AREN'T. I just thought my experience may help people see.......there is no black and white.
Art_Critic Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 It's hysterical to watch you people try to establish these minimalistic lowest common denominators to alcoholism. Ummm yeah ... people without webbed feet are alcoholics. As are women who pant during sex and midgets with two legs. Why is it hysterical ?.. they are partially true.. maybe not for all Alcoholics but for some, so they have merit... How do you define an Alcoholic ?
westernxer Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 there is no black and white. Just half-full or half-empty, dark or light. LOL
Art_Critic Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 Just half-full or half-empty, dark or light. LOL I liked what you had posted before ..
Glenn Quagmire Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 Why is it hysterical ?.. they are partially true.. maybe not for all Alcoholics but for some, so they have merit... How do you define an Alcoholic ? My buddy has been booze free for X days (he keeps track on his Facebook page and I don't remember the latest number but its been about a year). I joked around with him in the beginning that I should join him. He scoffed and said that I'm not an alcoholic because I don't drink to get drunk. I scoffed back that I might not be aiming at getting trashed but it happens occasionally. He shoo'd me off like that scene in half Baked where Bob Saget yells at Dave Chapelle because he never sucked dick for weed. I still classify myself as a casual drinker. Again, i can go weeks and not drink. not because I'm trying not to drink ... just because I haven't, for whateverr reason. And when I do, RARELY do I just binge for the sake of getting plastered.
Art_Critic Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 My buddy has been booze free for X days (he keeps track on his Facebook page and I don't remember the latest number but its been about a year). I joked around with him in the beginning that I should join him. He scoffed and said that I'm not an alcoholic because I don't drink to get drunk. I scoffed back that I might not be aiming at getting trashed but it happens occasionally. He shoo'd me off like that scene in half Baked where Bob Saget yells at Dave Chapelle because he never sucked dick for weed. I still classify myself as a casual drinker. Again, i can go weeks and not drink. not because I'm trying not to drink ... just because I haven't, for whateverr reason. And when I do, RARELY do I just binge for the sake of getting plastered. You are now painting a different version of your drinking than you were earlier in this thread.. Earlier you wanted us all to know how much you drink and now you want us to know how little you drink.. Your friend was possibly just being your friend and wanted to keep it all good between you both. Obviously from all of your posts about your drinking ,it must bother you that you drink so much otherwise you wouldn't be so defensive about it in the first place or you have heard others in your life mention their concern or you wouldn't have asked your friend.. Why not ask your wife what she thinks ?.. To the OP.. Sorry that I have helped take your thread off topic.. I'll not do that any longer...
Glenn Quagmire Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 You are now painting a different version of your drinking than you were earlier in this thread.. Earlier you wanted us all to know how much you drink and now you want us to know how little you drink.. Your friend was possibly just being your friend and didn't want the argument from you and wanted to keep it all good between you both. Obviously from all of your posts about your drinking ,it must bother you that you drink so much otherwise you wouldn't be so defensive about it in the first place or you have heard others in your life mention their concern or you wouldn't have asked your friend.. Why not ask your wife what she thinks ?.. 1. I am completely consistent with documenting my drinking patterns. I will drink often ... sometimes heavy ... sometimes not. But I also go weeks without drinking at all. At the moment, I am likely to drink just about every night. And I'm likely to drink heavy. I feel froggy as of late. 2. I make no apologies. It's never been a problem. Its never been discussed as a problem. The one time I suggested it was a problem, I was scoffed at. My wife doesn't drink at all so I imagine she doesn't udnerstand it, but she's quite opinionated so I can't imagine she'd let it slide if it bothered her. 3. The reason I am "defending" my drinking is because we're on an internet message board, on a thread about alcohol, and I am answering specific questions or addressing specific concerns. There is no way we can have this conversation unless I engage from my perspective. If a woman comes here and says "I like sex" and you say "I think you're a slut" and then she says "Umm, no, I like sex because it feels good" and then you say "Why don't you think that makes you a slut" and she says "Because from my perspective, sluts **** more than I do" ... saying something like "hahaha you must be a slut because you're justifying yourself to people on the internet!" is unfair, a bit inane and quite elementary.
Author MeMyself&I Posted May 26, 2009 Author Posted May 26, 2009 1. I am completely consistent with documenting my drinking patterns. I will drink often ... sometimes heavy ... sometimes not. But I also go weeks without drinking at all. At the moment, I am likely to drink just about every night. And I'm likely to drink heavy. I feel froggy as of late. 2. I make no apologies. It's never been a problem. Its never been discussed as a problem. The one time I suggested it was a problem, I was scoffed at. My wife doesn't drink at all so I imagine she doesn't udnerstand it, but she's quite opinionated so I can't imagine she'd let it slide if it bothered her. 3. The reason I am "defending" my drinking is because we're on an internet message board, on a thread about alcohol, and I am answering specific questions or addressing specific concerns. There is no way we can have this conversation unless I engage from my perspective. If a woman comes here and says "I like sex" and you say "I think you're a slut" and then she says "Umm, no, I like sex because it feels good" and then you say "Why don't you think that makes you a slut" and she says "Because from my perspective, sluts **** more than I do" ... saying something like "hahaha you must be a slut because you're justifying yourself to people on the internet!" is unfair, a bit inane and quite elementary. Well as the OP. The thread was originally about alcohol---but about whether it brings out the truth or not. Not about whether Quagmire is an alcoholic or not!! lol And one CAN have an addiction to sex Quagmire.........just so you know and maybe you already did. So......maybe we should leave Quagmire alone and talk about the original question. Like I said earlier the person who needs to acknowledge they have an addiction is the addict not those looking in or making judgments. (AND Quagmire this is a general statement not directed at you) I'm just saying it's getting everyone nowhere. Quagmire has his opinion and others have theirs. Agree to disagree. AND I have friends that say I'm not an alcoholic but I believe I am!! So it's all relative.
amaysngrace Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 Sunshine creates more serotonin, which is why rainy days make people depressed. Would Prozac help? Just wondering. I never took prozac so I don't know if it'd help me or not. I don't like medicine too much.
amaysngrace Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 I'm sorry MM&I. I was scrolling down and didn't see what you last posted. About your question...I agree with alpha and the others who said it depends on the honesty of the person in question. Some people exaggerate the truth and some just tell it straight up and drinking really doesn't change that.
Author MeMyself&I Posted May 26, 2009 Author Posted May 26, 2009 I'm sorry MM&I. I was scrolling down and didn't see what you last posted. About your question...I agree with alpha and the others who said it depends on the honesty of the person in question. Some people exaggerate the truth and some just tell it straight up and drinking really doesn't change that. It's okay, it was rather amusing (just as a whole not any one person) and even insightful but it was getting us/everyone nowhere. I agree if you are an honest person sober, unless that's a facade you will probably be honest drunk. If you are blunt sober, that may be enhanced when you drink. If you have emotional insecurities they are probably projected in your behavior when you drink (or you display totally different behavior that you may hide while you are sober). Whereas if you are emotionally healthy one's behavior probably doesn't manifest into a 180 degree change in behavior or an extreme display of your negative behavior but just reaffirms your positive qualities.
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