MeMyself&I Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 A recent post in a thread on here made me want to garner the opinion of people on LS. Do you think alcohol brings out true feelings or should you be less likely to believe someone under the influence? I'm kind of split on this one. Because if it brings out the truth, I would think that the last guy I was interested in, and now has totally flaked out on me, was crazy about me and totally wanted to pursue something with me by his behavior when he was drinking. I've seen this in other instances too. And "no" I don't feel that if people say to believe someone when they are drinking I should ignore his behavior now. I'm not grasping at straws because even if the behavior is attentive when he/they're drinking I'm not going to rely on getting them drunk to treat me right!! lol So what do people think? Truth or Lies???
paddington bear Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 For me, I would say that it's more that it stops that little voice that prevents you from saying or doing something inappropriate. When sober, you think 'best not say that', when drunk 'well, why not say it'. So, I guess in a way it brings out the truth. Then again, if you're going to go by that theory, it could be 'normally I wouldn't lie to a girl/guy about ....' few drinks inside and it becomes less of a big deal. I think it's less about being a truth drug and more about being a 'well, why not do/say x, y, z' and x, y,z might not be the truth, just a spur of the moment thing that might not normally be said or meant or acted upon.
alphamale Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 So what do people think? Truth or Lies??? booze will lower your inhibitions to tell the truth or to tell lies. its a case by case basis. if someone usually tells the truth then they will be more likely to do so under the influence. if someone usually lies then they'll be more likely to do so under the influence. so it really depends on the person, the environment and the situation.
Author MeMyself&I Posted May 26, 2009 Author Posted May 26, 2009 booze will lower your inhibitions to tell the truth or to tell lies. its a case by case basis. if someone usually tells the truth then they will be more likely to do so under the influence. if someone usually lies then they'll be more likely to do so under the influence. so it really depends on the person, the environment and the situation. Alphamale----this really makes sense. So it brings out what you have a natural propensity to do inside and may not always have the fortitude to do sober. Whether that is to be honest/blunt or to be manipulative and dishonest.
carhill Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 My experiences with men and women lead me to the following conclusion. If they are emotionally stable, drinking "enhances" that stability and the lowering of inhibitions is consistent with their intrinsic psyche. If emotionally unstable, the dynamics of that instability are exaggerated. As a rule, I tend not to rely on anything done or said while under the influence unless it is supported by similar actions/words while sober.
Author MeMyself&I Posted May 26, 2009 Author Posted May 26, 2009 My experiences with men and women lead me to the following conclusion. If they are emotionally stable, drinking "enhances" that stability and the lowering of inhibitions is consistent with their intrinsic psyche. If emotionally unstable, the dynamics of that instability are exaggerated. As a rule, I tend not to rely on anything done or said while under the influence unless it is supported by similar actions/words while sober. So if a guy/girl is reserved, nice, polite but very distant and flaky and then affectionate, sweet and demonstrative while under the influence. How does that reflect what you just said? I'm not questioning it. I feel you have something here. I just want you to put it in perspective using your analysis above. I know if someone tends to get volatile and abusive when they drink that's a reflection of their inner turmoil, anger and hurt inside (not saying it's right) just that's how i would interpret it. But how do you interpret the scenario above that I asked you about. Thank you.
paddington bear Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 My experiences with men and women lead me to the following conclusion. If they are emotionally stable, drinking "enhances" that stability and the lowering of inhibitions is consistent with their intrinsic psyche. If emotionally unstable, the dynamics of that instability are exaggerated. As a rule, I tend not to rely on anything done or said while under the influence unless it is supported by similar actions/words while sober. I think this is spot on, along with what Alphamale said. I've learned to become wary of people who become aggressive when drunk, but are perfectly normal and sweet when sober, it usually indicates a problem - a lot of the time a problem with alcohol. I tend to become a happy drunk, get silly, tell everyone that I love them (which I mean, but wouldn't necessarily always say...), be a bit more touchy feely.
carhill Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 But how do you interpret the scenario above that I asked you about. Emotionally unstable Doesn't really matter where it comes from, perhaps absent indications of where therapy and/or treatment should occur. Observe those with substance abuse problems for further research
Author MeMyself&I Posted May 26, 2009 Author Posted May 26, 2009 Emotionally unstable LOL, Ya I guess that's one way to put it! Doesn't really matter where it comes from, perhaps absent indications of where therapy and/or treatment should occur. Not quite sure what this meant??? Are you simply saying this kind of behavior is indicative of possible need for therapy/substance abuse treatment? Observe those with substance abuse problems for further research Well, now that I'm sober (2 years), I'm often an observer! Thanks, Carhill and other posters.
Glenn Quagmire Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 I get mushy, honest and loving when I'm drunk (which is often).
westernxer Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 I get mushy, honest and loving when I'm drunk (which is often). Yeah, I'm also very pleasant when intoxicated (which is never nowadays, although I still try to be pleasant). LOL
Glenn Quagmire Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 Most wives hate when their husbands drink. My wife buys more Jack Daniels than milk, bread and eggs combined. She gets me.
amaysngrace Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 Alcohol makes me realize I have a chemical imbalance.
Author MeMyself&I Posted May 26, 2009 Author Posted May 26, 2009 Quagmire I get mushy, honest and loving when I'm drunk (which is often). Yeah, I'm also very pleasant when intoxicated (which is never nowadays, although I still try to be pleasant). LOL Well Mr. often and Never (I hope you are both guys......if not, I apologize) Are you both this way to a certain extent when you are sober? Are you only telling people what they want to hear when you are drinking or are you sincere. Quagmire.......you might want to tell me whether you are posting sober or drunk so I know whether to believe you or not based on your answer! lol (I'm totally joking with you)! Thanks,
Glenn Quagmire Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 Quagmire Well Mr. often and Never (I hope you are both guys......if not, I apologize) Are you both this way to a certain extent when you are sober? Are you only telling people what they want to hear when you are drinking or are you sincere. Quagmire.......you might want to tell me whether you are posting sober or drunk so I know whether to believe you or not based on your answer! lol (I'm totally joking with you)! Thanks, Tip: As a general rule, If it's before 7 p.m. EST ... I'm sober. If it's after ... I'm probably drunk. Beyond that, the closer we get to 3:00 a.m., the drunker I am.
carhill Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 Alcohol is one of the most commonly used OTC 'medications'. IME, emotionally unstable people are more likely to have substance addictions and/or behavioral addictions (like sex addiction). They're trying to self-medicate a chemical imbalance in their brains. Not an indictment but rather an observation over a lifetime. None of us is perfect
westernxer Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 Are you both this way to a certain extent when you are sober? Are you only telling people what they want to hear when you are drinking or are you sincere. Yeah, for the most part. If I'm buzzed I don't talk smack or tell lies, but I do smile and laugh a helluva lot more than usual, to the point where a bad movie becomes the most entertaining thing I've ever seen. I think people like to be around me when I'm under the influence, whereas they simply like me when I'm not. Too bad I don't imbibe anymore, aside from Nyquil when I'm sick. LOL
Author MeMyself&I Posted May 26, 2009 Author Posted May 26, 2009 Tip: As a general rule, If it's before 7 p.m. EST ... I'm sober. If it's after ... I'm probably drunk. Beyond that, the closer we get to 3:00 a.m., the drunker I am. LMAO! So it's 10:15 here and 1:15 pm there.........we're good!
Glenn Quagmire Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 Alcohol is one of the most commonly used OTC 'medications'. IME, emotionally unstable people are more likely to have substance addictions and/or behavioral addictions (like sex addiction). They're trying to self-medicate a chemical imbalance in their brains. Not an indictment but rather an observation over a lifetime. None of us is perfect What the **** does "emotionally unstable" mean? That's so vague, I'm pretty sure every human being on earth qualifies. One of my neighbors doesn't drink, smoke or do drugs. What he DOES do is cheat on his wife and ignore his kids. One of my good friends is also a total straight-edge with no vices but he can't have a conversation for more than 30 seconds without fidgeting with his face, looking down or having an outright panic attack. Total social recluse. Are these people not "emotionally unstable"? It's human nature to self-medicate. Either with booze nicotine, extramarital affair, gambling, excessive masturbation, a sandwich at midnight, etc. Don't make me feel like some sort of Mansonesque headcase because I drink alcohol. Who knows what sort of deep rooted sadistic **** your sober ass is into.
Author MeMyself&I Posted May 26, 2009 Author Posted May 26, 2009 Alcohol is one of the most commonly used OTC 'medications'. IME, emotionally unstable people are more likely to have substance addictions and/or behavioral addictions (like sex addiction). They're trying to self-medicate a chemical imbalance in their brains. Not an indictment but rather an observation over a lifetime. None of us is perfect Oh I totally agree that people have addictive personalities. Usually if they quit one there is often a trade-off to another. Not saying it's true with everyone. If you correct/address the underlying cause, you can conquer your addictions. IMO
BCCA Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 All alcohol usually does is make people say things that they wouldnt sober. Wether they are true statements or not is anyone's guess, but I think you should assume its a mixed bag.
carhill Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 What the **** does "emotionally unstable" mean?A psychological disorder characterized by excessive emotionality and attention-seeking behavior.
westernxer Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 It's human nature to self-medicate... sandwich at midnight, etc. I've always believed that food is medication. Good point. I think carhill is referring to people who suffer from clinical depression, or depression in some form that has not been diagnosed.
Glenn Quagmire Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 A psychological disorder characterized by excessive emotionality and attention-seeking behavior. I.E. 9/10ths of the human race? And which "psychological disorder"? Any one will do? Are you talking about borderline or did you just make up your own?
Author MeMyself&I Posted May 26, 2009 Author Posted May 26, 2009 What the **** does "emotionally unstable" mean? That's so vague, I'm pretty sure every human being on earth qualifies. One of my neighbors doesn't drink, smoke or do drugs. What he DOES do is cheat on his wife and ignore his kids. One of my good friends is also a total straight-edge with no vices but he can't have a conversation for more than 30 seconds without fidgeting with his face, looking down or having an outright panic attack. Total social recluse. Are these people not "emotionally unstable"? It's human nature to self-medicate. Either with booze nicotine, extramarital affair, gambling, excessive masturbation, a sandwich at midnight, etc. Don't make me feel like some sort of Mansonesque headcase because I drink alcohol. Who knows what sort of deep rooted sadistic **** your sober ass is into. Hi Quagmire. I don't think he was pointing the finger and not everyone who drinks has a problem. Alcohol is only a problem if it negatively affects your life and despite these negative affects one continues to drink/use. If someone can drink, gamble, masturbate, etc, and do it without feeling they always have to control it or it will get out of control then more power to that person. If someone's good behavior sober is only enhanced by alcohol I don't foresee that as a problem. Anyway.........I just wanted to try to clarify.
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