MeaganRaye Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 Say you had a nice office job, and one of your attractive female employees, comes to work in a very short firm fitting dress. She walks pass you, and purposely drops something like a pen, and in clear shot view bends over and reveals to you that she has on no underwear. Would you report her for sexual harassment? or would you take that as an invitation for sex and try to hook up with her later after work?
You'reasian Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 Say you had a nice office job, and one of your attractive female employees, comes to work in a very short firm fitting dress. She walks pass you, and purposely drops something like a pen, and in clear shot view bends over and reveals to you that she has on no underwear. Would you report her for sexual harassment? or would you take that as an invitation for sex and try to hook up with her later? Neither. While such an incident would definitely draw attention, it could have been an accident. Maybe she prefers to go commando? You can't assume things so quickly...
Author MeaganRaye Posted May 24, 2009 Author Posted May 24, 2009 Neither. While such an incident would definitely draw attention, it could have been an accident. Maybe she prefers to go commando? You can't assume things so quickly... It's not an accident, in this story it was done on purpose.
You'reasian Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 It's not an accident, in this story it was done on purpose. Its a distraction. Personally, I do not date where I would work. No skirts anyways.
westernxer Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 Say you had a nice office job, and one of your attractive female employees, comes to work in a very short firm fitting dress. She walks pass you, and purposely drops something like a pen, and in clear shot view bends over and reveals to you that she has on no underwear. Would you report her for sexual harassment? or would you take that as an invitation for sex and try to hook up with her later after work? The planets in our solar system would align perfectly before such a scenario could ever take place. At least in my office. Enough of this hypothetical porn drama. LOL
IrishCarBomb Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 In my younger days I would have had no hangups about going after a co-worker's invitation like that. Today I've learned my lesson, and would even turn that invitation down. Coworkers are off-limits for good reason, and I'm not one to make the same mistakes twice.
cbreitel Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 I think you need to read up on the definition of "sexual harassment". While not appropriate office behavior, this doesn't exactly fit unless there's more to the story.
Enema Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 Well, I'm a married man so I like to think I would do nothing. Maybe fantasize about it later while wanking.
Mahatma Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 I would take it as an invitation. A woman who knows she likes to go commando, knows that bending over would reveal herself. However, I would decline that invitation.
Woggle Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 I would probably notice it and then go on with my day.
missdependant Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 The planets in our solar system would align perfectly before such a scenario could ever take place. At least in my office. Enough of this hypothetical porn drama. LOL Seriously! There is such a thing as DRESS CODE and PROFESSIONALISM at most office jobs. Having worked in at least five different office positions, I can say this seems like a rather unlikely scenario.
Midas Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 Highly unlikely scenario by today's standards...perhaps in an adult bookstore. I would probably entertain the fantasy a moment and go about the rest of my day mostly unphased.
Odyssey Posted May 24, 2009 Posted May 24, 2009 co-worker? I wouldn't get involve. But that's just me - been there, done that & still suffering. Just think of all the pain you felt in a breakup, now imagine having to see person who broke your heart everyday!
boldjack Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 This is just another version of the "naughty secretary".
SoulSearch_CO Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 I think you need to read up on the definition of "sexual harassment". While not appropriate office behavior, this doesn't exactly fit unless there's more to the story. You don't think that revealing one's genitals and anus to another is sexual harassment? I don't see any legitimate "oops" in this story. Nonsense.
cbreitel Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 You don't think that revealing one's genitals and anus to another is sexual harassment? I don't see any legitimate "oops" in this story. Nonsense. No. Sexual harassment has to arise to the level of a pervasively "hostile work environment" in order to violate Title VII. I'm not sure how you get from a woman showing her parts to a coworker to a hostile work environment that violates the Civil Rights Act.
SoulSearch_CO Posted May 25, 2009 Posted May 25, 2009 No. Sexual harassment has to arise to the level of a pervasively "hostile work environment" in order to violate Title VII. I'm not sure how you get from a woman showing her parts to a coworker to a hostile work environment that violates the Civil Rights Act. Negative. It only has to be unwelcome and sexual in nature.
MN randomguy Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 Regardless of its Sexual Herassment why the hypothetical? OP, if you did this and he did not make a move, I wouldn't push it any further.
BobSacamento Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 Well mistakes happen. If it becomes a trend I would take it as an invitation and decline it. Really this isn't too far from realistic. Granted the commando thing might be a bit off but I have worked with women who have worn very revealing clothing. They do the lean over thing and have had the pull skirt up to show tan lines. I take it as they want an ego boost and are bored at work. I am very reserved while working so perhaps they see me as a challenge and want to see if I'll stare. They always complain to me when other guys stare haha. Or maybe they think I'm gay lol. Probably better that way, mixing sex and work = disaster.
runner Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 Say you had a nice office job, and one of your attractive female employees, comes to work in a very short firm fitting dress. She walks pass you, and purposely drops something like a pen, and in clear shot view bends over and reveals to you that she has on no underwear. Would you report her for sexual harassment? or would you take that as an invitation for sex and try to hook up with her later after work? neither. if she's even on the same floor, then it's a good chance that we may have to collaborate professionally. if it gets ridiculous i may have a word with her about it. and yes, i'll happily share this over drinks with the lads
Trimmer Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 Having worked in at least five different office positions, I can say this seems like a rather unlikely scenario. You only know 5 positions?
bean1 Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 Negative. It only has to be unwelcome and sexual in nature. Yes and no. cbreitel is referring to sexual harassment as defined in legal terms (I'm not American but it is similar here). Under that, if you were to sue someone on the basis of violating your civil rights (in Canada we have the Charter of Rights & Freedoms), it would be applicable. Unwelcome and sexual in nature is a workplace policy of sexual harassment. Binding within the workplace (ie. get fired) but not a violation of law. My workplace has the unwelcome/sexual in nature policy.
SoulSearch_CO Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 Yes and no. cbreitel is referring to sexual harassment as defined in legal terms (I'm not American but it is similar here). Under that, if you were to sue someone on the basis of violating your civil rights (in Canada we have the Charter of Rights & Freedoms), it would be applicable. Unwelcome and sexual in nature is a workplace policy of sexual harassment. Binding within the workplace (ie. get fired) but not a violation of law. My workplace has the unwelcome/sexual in nature policy. Looks like you both need to read the actual title, then: http://www.eeoc.gov/types/sexual_harassment.html The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission says Unwelcome sexual advances, requests for sexual favors, and other verbal or physical conduct of a sexual nature constitute sexual harassment when this conduct explicitly or implicitly affects an individual's employment, unreasonably interferes with an individual's work performance, or creates an intimidating, hostile, or offensive work environment. Sexual harassment can occur in a variety of circumstances, including but not limited to the following: The victim as well as the harasser may be a woman or a man. The victim does not have to be of the opposite sex.The harasser can be the victim's supervisor, an agent of the employer, a supervisor in another area, a co-worker, or a non-employee.The victim does not have to be the person harassed but could be anyone affected by the offensive conduct.Unlawful sexual harassment may occur without economic injury to or discharge of the victim.The harasser's conduct must be unwelcome. It is helpful for the victim to inform the harasser directly that the conduct is unwelcome and must stop. The victim should use any employer complaint mechanism or grievance system available. When investigating allegations of sexual harassment, EEOC looks at the whole record: the circumstances, such as the nature of the sexual advances, and the context in which the alleged incidents occurred. A determination on the allegations is made from the facts on a case-by-case basis. Oh, look at that - exactly what I said. Unwelcome and sexual in nature. I'd say unwelcome would be right up there with offensive. It does NOT have to be "hostile." Unwelcome/offensive is good enough.
bean1 Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 Looks like you both need to read the actual title, then: http://www.eeoc.gov/types/sexual_harassment.html The Equal Employment Opportunity Commission says Oh, look at that - exactly what I said. Unwelcome and sexual in nature. I'd say unwelcome would be right up there with offensive. It does NOT have to be "hostile." Unwelcome/offensive is good enough. LOL ok. Like I said, I'm not American. In Canada it works different... that's fine.
Lucky_One Posted May 26, 2009 Posted May 26, 2009 A headhunter sent me for a job interview in Miami, and I talked with the head of HR (a woman). She wore a ridiculously tight, short and low cut dress (especially considering her lack of a size 2 body). During follow-up with the headhunter, he asked, "So did Y wear panties today, or not?" Apparently she goes commando often, and has no realization (or doesn't care) that when she sits down in a short dress that people can see up her skirt. Thank heavens she was behind a desk with a privacy screen with me, as I am not a fan of beaver shots. She was HR, and that signified to me right there that I didn't want to work for the company anyway, if the head of hiring, firing and enforcing the dress code in the employee handbook was openly known for dressing like a tart at work and that my clients could come into contact with her.
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