curiousnycgirl Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 Technically converts are the same as natural born Jews and conversion isn't even allowed to be mentioned, as though it never happened. In the Reform and Conservative branches, there is nothing converts are barred from in the congregation. Individual reactions to the convert however, may be discriminatory. I am unaware of anything a convert is barred from doing in orthodoxy either.
curiousnycgirl Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 Sorry to go off topic but why have jews been kicked around so much in history? me and a few buddies went a coke bender back in college and talked about this for like 7 hours. Seriously, what the **** did jews do to people in the modern world? Jews seem so meek and harmless yet Hitler chose THEM as the race/religion that needed to be cleansed. Why? I can see blacks or mexicans ... they're at least recognizable and let's face it, some generalizations exist for a reason but is being cheap and smelling bad worth genocide? During our bender, the best we could come up with is that jews essentially invented the concept of lending, and popularized the idea of inflating interest rates in the most recent century. Still,l I can't imagine thats what keeps the Gaza strip aflame. Well first you have to remember that many christians believed that jews killed Christ. That one is huge. Truth is the romans killed Christ, if you believe what is said - the jews just gave him up. Jews became money lenders because they were not allowed to own property. They became shop keepers because they had a global community that spoke the same language and was able to support trade (and it did not involve owning property). It Hitler needed someone for the masses to hate. He blamed the jews for the economic situation in Germany after WWI - and since jews own the banks..... The reality is judaism places a very high value on education. It started centuries ago when men would study the scriptures all day - and has translated into modern times with jews seeking higher education more regularly. Some then tend to achieve high levels of success - not all - but a disproportionate number. We just get pushed. It's like the old joke - why are so many doctors jewish? because their mothers are.
alphamale Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 Technically converts are the same as natural born Jews .... indeed, and technically there shouldn't be wars, famine or pestilence
xpaperxcutx Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 Huge misconception that all jews are wealthy - trust me we're not! i guess it depends on the type of Jews you surround yourself with. If you convert because of marriage, the family of your spouse would be more welcoming than an orthodox community that views conversion as second rate.
Okfine Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 Providers? Well, I guess that goes hand in hand with being a driven person. But that's a stereotype, not always Excellent point! I wouldn't say it isn't a stereotype because part of that cultural richness and diversity I've observed has to stem from being driven in the first place, and drive is something that is nurtured from a young age. I believe the basics are in the way in which parents push their children to succeed. I have yet to meet a Jewish person that did not have strict and very involved parents. Of course this has its downfalls too and some would argue about the psychological ramifications of growing up in an overly strict home, that is the more common complaint I hear, but for the most part it is beneficial from a social stand point.
curiousnycgirl Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 i guess it depends on the type of Jews you surround yourself with. If you convert because of marriage, the family of your spouse would be more welcoming than an orthodox community that views conversion as second rate. I do not believe that is true of orthodox communities - I think that is true of pseudo faithful people who are judgemental and discriminating. The religion does not support converts as being second rate - therefore the orthodox (and even the chassidic) do not support that.
curiousnycgirl Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 but for the most part it is beneficial from a social stand point. except when it's not - tee hee :bunny:
Okfine Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 Example? (have to write whatever here, post doesn't allow one word answers, guess not enough characters.......)
Author marty7 Posted May 14, 2009 Author Posted May 14, 2009 the original post got off topic. since jewish men are considered good family men, are'nt many women with major baggage interested in jewish men? perhaps non jewish men will not deal with a woman's deceit(or other baggage), but a good jewish family man will be more accepting. in other words, would'nt it be easier to trap a jewish man into marriage then a non jewish man? this is because jewish men are more family oriented
alphamale Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 in other words, would'nt it be easier to trap a jewish man into marriage then a non jewish man? this is because jewish men are more family oriented i thought all men were "trapped" into marriage
Okfine Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 Are you for real? THAT'S what the original topic was about? Gees....!! I liked where we took the topic it instead. I'm out.
xpaperxcutx Posted May 14, 2009 Posted May 14, 2009 Are you for real? THAT'S what the original topic was about? Gees....!! I liked where we took the topic it instead. I'm out. :lmao::lmao: You could just start your own thread on it.
bac Posted May 15, 2009 Posted May 15, 2009 From what i know the jewish husbands are better only if they are married a jewish woman. I guess it is because being jewish and their family approval is a value for them. But the most important thing about them that they are VERY good at sex and have superpowers in sex department.
kizik Posted May 15, 2009 Posted May 15, 2009 I have yet to meet a Jewish person that did not have strict and very involved parents. Of course this has its downfalls too and some would argue about the psychological ramifications of growing up in an overly strict home, that is the more common complaint I hear, but for the most part it is beneficial from a social stand point. Interesting. My ex GF is Jewish and her parents were always VERY involved with her life. Sometimes I just wanted to scream: "She's 25!!! Leave her the f*ck alone!" But, she was equally involved with their lives as well. This is all fine and good for the family, but for the Gentile BF like myself it feels very childish and immature. Sometimes I feel like Jewish families only care about themselves; anyone else, no matter how great (I always thought her parents liked me a lot) is an INTRUDER. Will someone please argue with me on that point?
burning 4 revenge Posted May 15, 2009 Posted May 15, 2009 gold-diggers generally don't care about religion the ulitimate pragmatist strikes again
JustLooking123 Posted May 15, 2009 Posted May 15, 2009 I still am not sure I "get" the OP's question. Jewish men are not babies or victims to the evil woman. If some shady lady is trying to play her game, they shouldn't allow it. Same goes for any other religion/race/demograph. Jeez louise.
Untouchable_Fire Posted May 15, 2009 Posted May 15, 2009 Well first you have to remember that many christians believed that jews killed Christ. That one is huge. Truth is the romans killed Christ, if you believe what is said - the jews just gave him up. The Jewish leadership conspired with the Romans to have Jesus killed. At the very last moment the Romans felt bad about it and gave the jews the option to set him free, and when they chose not to the Roman governor washed his hands of it. That is how the story goes. Honestly, I don't think that has anything to do with Anti-Semetism. Think about it... Muslims hate Isreal more than anyone... they don't care who killed Jesus.
curiousnycgirl Posted May 15, 2009 Posted May 15, 2009 The Jewish leadership conspired with the Romans to have Jesus killed. At the very last moment the Romans felt bad about it and gave the jews the option to set him free, and when they chose not to the Roman governor washed his hands of it. That is how the story goes. Honestly, I don't think that has anything to do with Anti-Semetism. Think about it... Muslims hate Isreal more than anyone... they don't care who killed Jesus. I was citing that as one of the many reasons for anti semitism - think back to the crusades, supported by the church. Yes some Arabs dislike jews and Israel - sorry but I will not make the blanket statement that Muslims (implying all) hate Israel/jews - just like I will not say Christians hated jews in the 1930s because of hitler. To respond specificaly to your point that some "Muslims hate Israel" - clearly you cannot site that as the reason for all anti semitism - Israel was not established until 1947. As I was saying there are many reasons, valid or otherwise
curiousnycgirl Posted May 15, 2009 Posted May 15, 2009 Was thinking more about your post - where you wrote Muslims hate Israel more than anyone - I assume you equate hatred of Israel to hatred of jews. I don't know that I would agree their hatred is worse than anyone else's. Would you say that bombing Israel is worse than putting people in gas chambers? Worse than having people dig a big hole, stand in front of it, and shoot them so they fall into it? How is the Muslim hatred deemed to be more than anyone else's hatred?
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