Author sunsetbeach Posted May 29, 2009 Author Posted May 29, 2009 I feel for you. Being lied to is one of the worst feelings. One thing that bothers me his visit to the strip club was pre-meditated. He played the "I'm too tired and need to go to sleep" game while he knew what he was going to do. So I don't think that his mind was foggy because of the alcohol. If he were so foggy he won't have even understood how he walked into the strip club and how things happened. He pre-meditated everything and prapered a perfect lying plan... I am sorry I agree the lying part is the worst! He was soo tired and did not want to talk. He had been giving me grief because I had wanted to talk to him alot on the phone since he was not here. We still talked a lot everyday. He says he is not a phone person. Finally I gave up talking t him as much the last 2 weeks before this happened if he was tired etc I was like ok go get some rest instead of asking can I talk to him. Then I give him the space he needs and this happens. Maybe thats why he did not want to talk on the phone as much anymore so he could go out and not worry about me calling or wanting to talk.
MichelleS1983 Posted May 30, 2009 Posted May 30, 2009 This guy's one of the biggest liars on the planet. Like the others said, first he pretended he was going to bed early when in truth, the slimeball was planning his night of whoring at the strip club. Funny that he STILL hasn't gotten that gross overcharge on your debit card fixed with the manager of the whorehouse he went to ("strip club" is what they call it, is that it?) Gee, isn't that odd that he's not concerned about it? If I'd only had 5 beers and found out that my debit card had been debited $500, you'd better BELIEVE I'd be on their doorstep screaming bloody murder. But Mr. Liar's come up with several different reasons why he just can't get it straightened out - I believe the idiot cited something about bouncers doing 'evil' to him if he were to bring up the overcharge, then the liar switched gears and used some other feeble excuse about being 'embarrassed.' I'm sure he wasn't embarrassed about the fact that he had to PAY women so they'd pretend to be excited abuot touching him. What a loser. Now, he's just using the excuse that he "hasn't had time to fix the overcharge - but I will." Yeah, when pigs fly out of my ass. I wouldn't TOUCH this creep when he comes home if he wore a body bag. God only KNOWS what he's picked up acting like a whore overseas.
Stepone Posted May 30, 2009 Posted May 30, 2009 So right now we have not been together in 8 months. I would think he would save that money and plan us a vacation when he gets here or something special since we could not have a proper wedding or honeymoon. Hell I did not even get a xmas anniversary or birthday present delivered here while I was sick in and out of the hospital when he went back. So it makes me angry a stripper prositute gets 500.00 dollars and I dont even get a damn card but his excuse is always I do not know what to get you that you will like. I tell him just listen in to what I say I like when I talk to you Oh I am too incensed to read any more of this. I agree with one of the above posters who was surprised that there was any room left for sadness in your heart with all the anger that should be battling for space... Please, please do not take any more of this. There is no excuse for his behaviour. The man is a cheap, dirty cheat, a compulsive liar and to top it all off he doesn't even care about you enough to buy you, his wife, a Christmas present at the very time when he should be going out of his way to keep you happy, the distance is hard enough! Please don't make things worse by letting him give you VD.. if I were you I actually cut off all contact and file for divorce TOMORROW! There are good faithful men out there, you have just been tremendously unlucky. I really feel for you having put your life on hold for two years, the sooner you can get out of this the better - don't waste another day. I wouldn't even bother explaining it to him, he will just try to wheedle his way round you with more lies which you, ever hopeful and optimistic and trusting, are receptive to. Thinking of you.
annieo Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Been through something similar - lying, lying, lying about strip club visits while my h was away on business. Three days of hell, got close to the truth (I think?), major hit to my trust of him, which continues to this day (2 and a half years later). We're still together, things have gotten better, but not back to where they were. I feel like I am less committed than I was. He wasn't. Why should I be? So the drama continues. When he gets back, you need to hash this out, face to face, eye to eye. Only when you see him will you be able to really evaluate what you need to do next. In the meantime, take care of yourself, your health. With or without him, you've got you. And that is wonderful.
Jennifer26 Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 This post hits so close to home for me. OP - my best piece of advice is to LEAVE THIS MAN! My husband went to a strip club after we were married, and I was four months pregnant. Like you husband, he spent right around $500. He was only there a couple of hours, and didn't come home drunk. He could not have spent all that money on booze and lap dances. Like you, I found out by accident when my card was declined the next day. I flipped out! My husband had a load of excuses, like yours. Lies. Many lies. The man who went with my husband years later confessed to me (this was while my husband was having an emotional affair with another women, and I guess the guy felt bad for me) that my husband had disappeared with a stripper after a couple of lap dances. To this day (eight years later) I do not trust him, I still feel angry about it and because I know he was dishonest with me, and continues to be I cannot get past it. I stayed, because I was pregnant and scared. I wish many times I had left him. I'm still with him now, and I can tell you his lying has only continued and I have nearly went nuts from snooping, and wondering when he's being honest or not. I was never like this before him, and all of the lies. In my previous relationship, I never snooped, or had doubt, or thought my ex was lying to me. I hate what it has turned me into. Please leave this man before you waste precious years with him, or bring in children and things become more complicated. I know it hurts, and he is going to deny everything, and you'll want to believe him even if that little voice inside you is saying he is full of ****. Listen to that little voice. You can bet your husband cheated on you for $500, if not full on sex, perhaps a handjob, or blowjob, or maybe the woman just dry sexed him until he finished.
headlesschicken Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 I know it hurts, and he is going to deny everything, and you'll want to believe him even if that little voice inside you is saying he is full of ****. Listen to that little voice. You can bet your husband cheated on you for $500, if not full on sex, perhaps a handjob, or blowjob, or maybe the woman just dry sexed him until he finished. to play devils advocate here this isn't necessarily so. i am a dancer and i've had plenty of men pay me $500 or more for strictly lap dances. in some clubs you can buy a block of a dancers time for that price. half hour, an hour or so. spending a few hundred dollars in a strip club does not necessarily, automatically mean that he got laid.
D-Lish Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 to play devils advocate here this isn't necessarily so. i am a dancer and i've had plenty of men pay me $500 or more for strictly lap dances. in some clubs you can buy a block of a dancers time for that price. half hour, an hour or so. spending a few hundred dollars in a strip club does not necessarily, automatically mean that he got laid. In Canada, in Niagara Falls- you sure can get full service private room, which includes watching girl on girl and have sex. Having said that- 40 minutes away... you could spend the same money and get nothing other than a "view. So, it depends on where he is! Before jumping the gun... is it possible he is paying for "rounds"... ie: he is picking up the tab for others? It's entirely possible he is cheating- evidence points to that... But, just make sure. I, personally, wouldn't care if my husband viewed strippers and had one rip-roaring night... I WOULD care if he got a BJ or sex.
headlesschicken Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 Why did you become a stripper? why do you want to know?
Author sunsetbeach Posted May 31, 2009 Author Posted May 31, 2009 to play devils advocate here this isn't necessarily so. i am a dancer and i've had plenty of men pay me $500 or more for strictly lap dances. in some clubs you can buy a block of a dancers time for that price. half hour, an hour or so. spending a few hundred dollars in a strip club does not necessarily, automatically mean that he got laid. In Canada, in Niagara Falls- you sure can get full service private room, which includes watching girl on girl and have sex. Having said that- 40 minutes away... you could spend the same money and get nothing other than a "view. So, it depends on where he is! Before jumping the gun... is it possible he is paying for "rounds"... ie: he is picking up the tab for others? It's entirely possible he is cheating- evidence points to that... But, just make sure. I, personally, wouldn't care if my husband viewed strippers and had one rip-roaring night... I WOULD care if he got a BJ or sex. This did not happen in the US. He is in europe. The club is known for what the strippers do for money. I have been told by women friends and men when I was living there that you can pay for BJs and handjobs that they know of. Possibly full sex I have no idea. They cater to and love the military men since they get $$$$ from them. These women are shipped in from romania and other places . There is a lot of sex trafficking here so it would not suprise me if they work for the owners and are pimped out. 70.00 usd gets you 10 minutes. There were two withdrawls and the lady at the bank said it was 10 minutes apart. He said he went to the bathroom after he paid and they made him pay again but he did not argue with him. I have looked up this club online and translated the text from a forum and it seems to say you can leave happy and get services from many beautiful women and says something about them catering to the military men.
Author sunsetbeach Posted May 31, 2009 Author Posted May 31, 2009 This guy's one of the biggest liars on the planet. Like the others said, first he pretended he was going to bed early when in truth, the slimeball was planning his night of whoring at the strip club. Funny that he STILL hasn't gotten that gross overcharge on your debit card fixed with the manager of the whorehouse he went to ("strip club" is what they call it, is that it?) Gee, isn't that odd that he's not concerned about it? If I'd only had 5 beers and found out that my debit card had been debited $500, you'd better BELIEVE I'd be on their doorstep screaming bloody murder. But Mr. Liar's come up with several different reasons why he just can't get it straightened out - I believe the idiot cited something about bouncers doing 'evil' to him if he were to bring up the overcharge, then the liar switched gears and used some other feeble excuse about being 'embarrassed.' I'm sure he wasn't embarrassed about the fact that he had to PAY women so they'd pretend to be excited abuot touching him. What a loser. Now, he's just using the excuse that he "hasn't had time to fix the overcharge - but I will." Yeah, when pigs fly out of my ass. I wouldn't TOUCH this creep when he comes home if he wore a body bag. God only KNOWS what he's picked up acting like a whore overseas. SO True if we stay together I would have to make him get tested for up to a year to feel even a little safe. I am so scared of diseases since I have been sick . I do not need to add to it. Oh I am too incensed to read any more of this. I agree with one of the above posters who was surprised that there was any room left for sadness in your heart with all the anger that should be battling for space... Please, please do not take any more of this. There is no excuse for his behaviour. The man is a cheap, dirty cheat, a compulsive liar and to top it all off he doesn't even care about you enough to buy you, his wife, a Christmas present at the very time when he should be going out of his way to keep you happy, the distance is hard enough! Please don't make things worse by letting him give you VD.. if I were you I actually cut off all contact and file for divorce TOMORROW! There are good faithful men out there, you have just been tremendously unlucky. I really feel for you having put your life on hold for two years, the sooner you can get out of this the better - don't waste another day. I wouldn't even bother explaining it to him, he will just try to wheedle his way round you with more lies which you, ever hopeful and optimistic and trusting, are receptive to. Thinking of you. I feel like I need to look him in the face before I do anything. I feel all of those things you said but at the same time I am scared and I still have some feeling left. I wanted so bad for this to work out. I had the notion like everyone marriages should be forever and just wanted a family and home and normal life. I gave up so much which I should not have done, My very good job, possesions, everything to go marry him and move away where I could not get a job for 3 years. I have all of stuff overseas also. It is being shipped to his next duty station. This includes our household furniture, my papers, birth cert etc, my clothes everything. I only took one suitcase here to the us. If I decide to leave I need to get everything first and go to the duty station with him find a home and then find a job and leave. I cannot keep staying with this relative. If he has cheated or is cheating with a woman whom he doesn't have to pay, you will never find out. If he slowly withdraw cash from the bank and pay prostitutue cash, you would never know. This might not be his first time cheating. It might be just the first time that he got caught. He is lying to you like you some kind of fool. I am going to sleep and then end up at a strip club spending $500 for some drinks? Does he really think you're that stupid? How is he feeling about your having to go to the hospital and end up sick and all due to his cheating? Is he saying and doing the right thing now just hope you'll forget this time and hopefully continue to cheat or cheat later? I keep telling him that he is making me feel stupid. He told me to just calm down and try not to get so upset when I told him about the hospital thats it. He was just saying my heart is ok and not to worry and he is sorry. I have called him a few times late when I was upset wanting to talk but he was asleep and got mad and said this can wait until tomorrow. I get so frustrated because I cannot talk to him about it when these feelings are bothering me and making me angry. I am questioning all the charges on the statements now. There was two other trips for something with work to another country in europe and I could not get in touch with him on the first trip during the first night and 500.00 was gone in increments at atms on base and other places throughout that day on the satement. The second trip was for 2 days and I got no phone call at all and about 400.00 was taken out for that trip. They were both reimbursed but I know they get perdiem and other basic travelling fees and do not need receipts for everything. There was another charge at the atm outside of that strip club last year in the middle of the night. He said he went there for cash since he was out riding around and that atm was nearby. There have been various 50 -75 charges taken out during the week a lot. I just dont know:sick: Been through something similar - lying, lying, lying about strip club visits while my h was away on business. Three days of hell, got close to the truth (I think?), major hit to my trust of him, which continues to this day (2 and a half years later). We're still together, things have gotten better, but not back to where they were. I feel like I am less committed than I was. He wasn't. Why should I be? So the drama continues. When he gets back, you need to hash this out, face to face, eye to eye. Only when you see him will you be able to really evaluate what you need to do next. In the meantime, take care of yourself, your health. With or without him, you've got you. And that is wonderful. Thank you for advice from someone this has happened to . I was wondering can this feeling go away. I feel like I would be distrustful and have this sick worried feeling forever so I guess I was right. This post hits so close to home for me. OP - my best piece of advice is to LEAVE THIS MAN! My husband went to a strip club after we were married, and I was four months pregnant. Like you husband, he spent right around $500. He was only there a couple of hours, and didn't come home drunk. He could not have spent all that money on booze and lap dances. Like you, I found out by accident when my card was declined the next day. I flipped out! My husband had a load of excuses, like yours. Lies. Many lies. The man who went with my husband years later confessed to me (this was while my husband was having an emotional affair with another women, and I guess the guy felt bad for me) that my husband had disappeared with a stripper after a couple of lap dances. To this day (eight years later) I do not trust him, I still feel angry about it and because I know he was dishonest with me, and continues to be I cannot get past it. I stayed, because I was pregnant and scared. I wish many times I had left him. I'm still with him now, and I can tell you his lying has only continued and I have nearly went nuts from snooping, and wondering when he's being honest or not. I was never like this before him, and all of the lies. In my previous relationship, I never snooped, or had doubt, or thought my ex was lying to me. I hate what it has turned me into. Please leave this man before you waste precious years with him, or bring in children and things become more complicated. I know it hurts, and he is going to deny everything, and you'll want to believe him even if that little voice inside you is saying he is full of ****. Listen to that little voice. You can bet your husband cheated on you for $500, if not full on sex, perhaps a handjob, or blowjob, or maybe the woman just dry sexed him until he finished. I know i think this will turn me into something I do not want. I told him this today actually. Look what this had done. I feel sick even to think about sex after this. I know I cannot worry like this the rest of my life it will kill me. I cannot sleep or function from worry. I want a family and I am almost too old and I cannot bring a child into this. i worry what if I now cannot have a child.
Jennifer26 Posted May 31, 2009 Posted May 31, 2009 to play devils advocate here this isn't necessarily so. i am a dancer and i've had plenty of men pay me $500 or more for strictly lap dances. in some clubs you can buy a block of a dancers time for that price. half hour, an hour or so. spending a few hundred dollars in a strip club does not necessarily, automatically mean that he got laid. So what does that guy get buying that block of time? Does he get to have her grind on his genitals? Perhaps let him touch her breasts, finger her? Let's be real, lap dances get pretty raunchy in many clubs. Assuming he didn't get sex, or a BJ - you know he there were sexual acts taking place. My husband having a nude woman touching him, grinding on his genitals, and so forth is every bit as much cheating in my book.
headlesschicken Posted June 1, 2009 Posted June 1, 2009 like i said i was giving another possibility. it's ok if you absolutely don't want to hear it.
annieo Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 Thank you for advice from someone this has happened to . I was wondering can this feeling go away. I feel like I would be distrustful and have this sick worried feeling forever so I guess I was right. You won't have it forever. It has gotten better. But then something will come up. In our case, not having to do with strip clubs but lying/being sly about something else and then BAM! there it is again. The mistrust. When my h's lying came out, he was here and believe me, it was a three day trip to hell. Shirt-shredding, glasses broken, took a pin to the shoes he wore on our wedding day. He had to look at my face, into my eyes, swollen from crying and deal with the mess he made. I am hopeful that this made enough of an impression on him to make him realize how much he had hurt me. He says he does. If it happens again, he has been told that I won't have the energy for that again, I'll either boot his ass out the door, or go out and sleep with someone else. I'm not kidding - I really will (got a few prospects in the wings ) And then I'll go and get myself a lawyer (again, second marriage) I digress (see, it's still bugging me). You need, NEED, to have a face to face with your h. Not necessarily as intense and destructive as mine. But he needs to see what he's done, and you need to show him. Only, possibly, after that can you both really hurt, then heal. I think that the physical distance between you is postponing this essential discussion, keeping you both in limbo. When does he get back?
annieo Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 like i said i was giving another possibility. it's ok if you absolutely don't want to hear it. Is that supposed to make us (the wives) feel better? I hope it helps you, but it doesn't work for me. And I'm not blaming. It's the husbands, not the strippers, who are breaking vows. Just don't kid yourself about fallout back home.
headlesschicken Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 i guess i'm not going to make anyone feel better if you have had a problem with a husband lying and going to strip clubs when it's not ok in your relationship. i just thought i'd put that out there. and i understand the fallout.....but i don't make men come in, rationalize away their wives' problems with strip clubs, or force them to partake of my services and lie to their wives.....so i don't feel particularly bad about it either.
Author sunsetbeach Posted June 2, 2009 Author Posted June 2, 2009 Thank you for advice from someone this has happened to . I was wondering can this feeling go away. I feel like I would be distrustful and have this sick worried feeling forever so I guess I was right. You won't have it forever. It has gotten better. But then something will come up. In our case, not having to do with strip clubs but lying/being sly about something else and then BAM! there it is again. The mistrust. When my h's lying came out, he was here and believe me, it was a three day trip to hell. Shirt-shredding, glasses broken, took a pin to the shoes he wore on our wedding day. He had to look at my face, into my eyes, swollen from crying and deal with the mess he made. I am hopeful that this made enough of an impression on him to make him realize how much he had hurt me. He says he does. If it happens again, he has been told that I won't have the energy for that again, I'll either boot his ass out the door, or go out and sleep with someone else. I'm not kidding - I really will (got a few prospects in the wings ) And then I'll go and get myself a lawyer (again, second marriage) I digress (see, it's still bugging me). You need, NEED, to have a face to face with your h. Not necessarily as intense and destructive as mine. But he needs to see what he's done, and you need to show him. Only, possibly, after that can you both really hurt, then heal. I think that the physical distance between you is postponing this essential discussion, keeping you both in limbo. When does he get back? Yes I feel I need to see his face when I am talking to him about this. The phone just does not work effectively. He cannot see how upset I am though I do let him know. I cannot see his eyes to see how sincere his answers are. He should be here in a few weeks. The military has not given a certain date but almost all the paperwork is done and then he has to pack up our house ship the car and fly here. I do think we may have to wait on a major discussion until we get settled. When he gets here we have a week or so to travel to our next duty station and we will be living in a hotel until we find a place to live. All our belongings and his car will take months to get here. I could not even move out if I wanted for months. I like you have been through screaming and crying for weeks now. You are right about the energy it takes out of you. I think another one of these episodes would kill me. I feel like death and the chest pains and pain breathing is still bothering me. I really thought I was having a heart attack when I went to the hospital. The pain was so intense. Little things have come up in our marriage also . Little lies etc. I am thinking like you that these will trigger these feelings again. I absolutely need complete honesty, him to really seem remorseful , and a willingness to prove to me that he is going to go the extra mile to make this better for me. Is that asking too much? Its like I want him treat me like gold from now on if he wants to stay. I feel like him going was saying I was not worth anything to him and I want him to show me that I am. I never wanted a man who liked these type of places and this just kills me inside to know that he chose to go to a place like this. That was one of my dealbreakers when I was dating people. If they liked these places then I did not date them anymore because I did not want problems down the road. I wish they would outlaw these types of places and do more to control prostitution. I have seen so many relationships and marriages ruined over these places. Its like the world has no morals. I am in my late 30s and had many long term relationships . I wanted to get married and have a family but something always happened. All of them cheated, or lied . They never seemed the type. I tried to be careful who I went out with but something always happened. With my husband I thought he was different and felt truly loved. I was looking forward to having a child when he came home and having the family I always dreamed of. Now If I stay it will be while before I have a child with him and if I leave it may be too late by the time I would marry again if I ever did. This is another thing that is making me angry and depressed.
Stepmom Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 Sunset this exact thing happened to me exactly one year ago. I know exactly what you are going through. Husband came home at 3 in the morning after a client dinner in the city. I knew they had probably been to a strip club but it took several days to get that admission out of him. Where else would he have been until that hour? What I found out was shocking. I was physically sick for about 3 months. Couldn't kick the constant images in my brain. Wondered if it would ever go away. Something I read about infidelity on the internet likened the reaction to post-traumatic stress disorder. For me the physical symptoms were identical. I lost 15 pounds from not eating, couldn't sleep for more than a couple hours at night, was crying all the time. It was like having an out-of-body experience and I could not get control of myself. In retrospect I was amazed I made it to work everyday. Our therapist told me expect PTSD to last as long as 6 months before you start to come out of it. It didn't take that long but she was right. As for the issue at hand, it turned out my husband and a couple of his sleaze bag partners had used this as a client entertainment option on at least 6 occasions over little more than a 2 year period. I substantiated it by credit card statements. The only reason I hadn't figured it out sooner was because the strip club lists by the name of the steakhouse within. The sums of money spent were incomprehensible because it was business-expensed. It took months to get all the details out of him and he had to endure many conversations he did not want to have. That slowed my healing because it seemed as though he was just covering-up. As it was he wouldn't tell me which place they had been to in the city until our therapist guilted it out of him. Only then did I see how much money had been spent when I went back over 3 yrs of Visa bills. The money was accounted for by food, liquor (expensive bottles of champagne), private party room charges for their groups, and per hour charges for the strippers...one per guy in the VIP rooms. There were plenty of lap dances. I struggled for months about whether to leave. He knew I was opposed to this from earlier on and I told him I would never have married him if I thought he would do this. We do not have kids together and I work so there is no economic need to stay. I talked it over with many friends plus my therapist, who know my husband. Most felt as I did, that basically this is a good guy who really screwed up. My husband is the kind of personality who needs to feel accepted by his peers. Although these were highly premeditated events and I hold him entirely responsible, I know he was not the instigator. His group has a ringleader, a guy I can't stand. In the end it seemed like an over-the-top reaction to leave over a strip club, even with the extreme to which he took it. Ultimately I became satisfied with his explanations that for him this was about being in a party atmosphere with the guys. He says he was never alone with a stripper and that no one in his group ever got any kind of hand job or BJ from any stripper. I learned to tell when he was being authentic in conversation as opposed to evasive. You need that face-to-face with your husband to figure that out. I told my husband I considered this absolute infidelity and with the one-on-one stripper in the VIP room set-up, to be a form of prostitution. He knows I would leave him on the spot if he ever goes back again. To date I know he has not. I had to stop bringing it up several months ago because it was toxic to any healing. I was constantly beating him over the head about it. We did go to therapy for about 5 months and it helped. When I brought it up for the first time in months a couple of weeks ago, I asked him how he thought about it now. He says he is so embarrassed that he did it, how stupid the experience was and wishes it had never happened. He said it was never worth the havoc it wreaked. He knew it was wrong but I don't think he had any clue how intensely it would affect me. He has to toe the line now and forever, calling me whenever he is out at night (not often) and being completely transparent about his plans. So far he has done that. He knows my trust was shattered and will never fully be regained. Something was definitely lost because of this. I still think about it all the time but it doesn't have that kicked-in-the stomach power anymore. I will never know for sure if I have all the facts so I have to go with my gut and my knowledge of him which tells me that he did not have sex with any of these young girls (we are 48). I will never forgive him for this, but I had to put it in its place if we were to rebuild. I think our marriage is better and I actually feel as though we are in a good place right now. I hope you can get the kind of disclosure and reassurance it takes from him to help you move on. I urge you not to make any rash decisions and there are many who will tell you to instantly end the relationship. For sure this is a horrible thing he has laid on you, but it is possible to move beyond it and rebuild. You will know over time and after you see how he handles this, in person, whether staying or leaving is the right thing to do. Sorry for the length. I remember needing to know this kind of stuff from others when it felt acute. I wish you all the best.
clv0116 Posted June 2, 2009 Posted June 2, 2009 ..... those overseas asian strip clubs are NOTHING like the ones in the US. You can get anything for the right money and heard them all talking about it at after-party years ago. At the time $40 gets you a hand job, $70 gets you a BJ, $200 got you everything. This was about 6-7 years ago. Wow. Where in Asia? Remind me to never go there.
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