Woggle Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 This is going to shock people to hear this from me but I went to a strip club with a guy from work and his buddies because we are trying to cheer him up and I was disgusted with what I saw. I always defended them because I see nothing wrong with sexuality and it is a living. There was this one guy who was crumpling up dollar bills and throwing them at one of the dancers and you could tell she hated it. I know I have some issues with women but I would never condone that type of degradation. Security was just letting him do it also. I know I am contradicting everything I have said but it sickened me.
Citizen Erased Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 It could be worse. We don't have one dollar bills here, just coins. That would be fun having thrown at you all night.
burning 4 revenge Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 It could be worse. We don't have one dollar bills here, just coins. That would be fun having thrown at you all night. thanks for the idea
voldigicam Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 They vary. I suspect your average stripper doesn't care particularly. There are some who hate the work, and some who really enjoy it. I haven't been to any in many years. Notable was a local one, before pasties were required. Many of the dancers really had a good time. Pretty clear of that. Some didn't. Fortunately my friends got bored of it. Went to a high class one in Vegas. Those gals enjoyed it, but were sort of a class above the average stripper. But generally there are a goodly number who hated it, and most hate being treated badly. The funniest are the two college girls I remember. Chatty and friendly. But if they were treated disrespectfully, I don't think they'd have liked it. On the other hand, I'm a friendly nice guy who wouldn't normally go to a strip club unless with a group of generally business associates who were going. And I'm a nudist, so seeing someone naked isn't all that big a deal. So I might get treated or see the strippers differently. If they all disappeared, I wouldn't notice.
Taramere Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 This is going to shock people to hear this from me but I went to a strip club with a guy from work and his buddies because we are trying to cheer him up and I was disgusted with what I saw. I always defended them because I see nothing wrong with sexuality and it is a living. There was this one guy who was crumpling up dollar bills and throwing them at one of the dancers and you could tell she hated it. I know I have some issues with women but I would never condone that type of degradation. Security was just letting him do it also. I know I am contradicting everything I have said but it sickened me. If it makes you feel any better, I don't think you're contradicting yourself. You've stated (more or less) that you don't regard stripping as a debasing way to make a living. Presumably on that basis, you visit strip clubs without feeling bad about it, and on the same basis you don't degrade the girls when you're there. The image you've conjured up of a guy throwing crumpled dollar bills at one of the girls is a depressing one. It smacks of someone who felt tawdry about being there, and who dealt with that by punishing the girl. The same mentality that (on a more serious scale) results in some men beating up hookers. It's easier to punish another person than it is to face up to the fact that there are some things about yourself that you don't particularly respect. That guy will either take a look in the mirror, own up to not liking what he sees and try to change it.....or he'll spend the rest of his life hiding from his own self-loathing by behaving despicably towards anyone who seems like an easy target. Probably the latter, and that's the guy for whom many of the seedier aspects of the sex industry exist. It's a person's right to capitalise on and participate in the sex industry if they wish, and if they do so within the legal framework governing it.....but let's not hide from the reality of what it is. It's a base industry that deals in the commercialisation and degradation of human sexuality. You can't expect to find much nobility in an environment like that.
St. Nick Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 That's customer service for you. When I worked at fast food joints when I was a teen I had idiots making origami dollars and handing it to me for a kick. I'd have liked to kick them in the face sometimes.
burning 4 revenge Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 I'm ashamed to say Ive done this myself when Ive been ripped and feeling angry I think Taramere's comment about feeling bad about being there and punishing the girl is spot on Is it possible that deep down inside I'm more misogynist than Woggle
GorillaTheater Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 I agree that strip clubs are cheesy, but I'm still sorting out the propositions that all men love porn more than their SOs and all men want to humiliate and crush their wives until said wives are but a souless hollow shell. I for one know a handful of men who don't do that.
BCCA Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 I agree that strip clubs are cheesy, but I'm still sorting out the propositions that all men love porn more than their SOs and all men want to humiliate and crush their wives until said wives are but a souless hollow shell. I for one know a handful of men who don't do that. I personally dont own any porn at all. lol
Enema Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 I don't know Woggle. You see one example of unsavoury behaviour at a strip club and blanket the whole industry as bad. Seems a little premature. I've been to plenty of strip clubs where that behaviour will get you kicked out and the women are treated like princesses by patrons and owners. Generalizations are too...... general.
Lovelybird Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 I don't know Woggle. You see one example of unsavoury behaviour at a strip club and blanket the whole industry as bad. Seems a little premature. I've been to plenty of strip clubs where that behaviour will get you kicked out and the women are treated like princesses by patrons and owners. Generalizations are too...... general. you are still in dream land
Enema Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 you are still in dream land You believe in a talking snake and you say I'm dreaming.
Author Woggle Posted May 6, 2009 Author Posted May 6, 2009 After having time to think about it I don't feel that all strip clubs are like this but the owners need to have some standards and not allow people to be degraded like that.
Jersey Shortie Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 They vary. I suspect your average stripper doesn't care particularly. There are some who hate the work, and some who really enjoy it. I haven't been to any in many years. Notable was a local one, before pasties were required. Many of the dancers really had a good time. Pretty clear of that. Some didn't. Fortunately my friends got bored of it. Went to a high class one in Vegas. Those gals enjoyed it, but were sort of a class above the average stripper. But generally there are a goodly number who hated it, and most hate being treated badly. The funniest are the two college girls I remember. Chatty and friendly. But if they were treated disrespectfully, I don't think they'd have liked it. Seriously, the stripper is there to provide a happy, fun fantasy world. Not lay all her problems at a guy's feet and how she really feels about job. I bet a few do enjoy it. But I bet more don't. Actually, strippers tend to be more cynical of men because they see them behave at their worst on a regular basis. Seems a little premature. I've been to plenty of strip clubs where that behaviour will get you kicked out and the women are treated like princesses by patrons and owners. If those men treated their wives and girlfriends like princesses I bet more then half thsoe men wouldn't feel the need to go to strip club. Funny that though. Are men more eager to treat a stripper like a princess then his own wife/gf? Is that something to be proud of? That men were treating girls in a strip joint like princesses? Men that probably had a woman at home that loves him? I agree that strip clubs are cheesy, but I'm still sorting out the propositions that all men love porn more than their SOs and all men want to humiliate and crush their wives until said wives are but a souless hollow shell. I for one know a handful of men who don't do that. Well, that's not exactly what is being said so I get why you are confused. I think men love porn just as much as they love having an SO. I don't think most men want to humilate or crush their partners. I do think they don't mind if other women outside of their family are humilated and used for their personal sexual satisfaction. I think that has to do more with what a man thinks he deserves as far as respect goes. He wants the woman in his life that he cares treated with respect by default of their association with them, maybe not because he has a huge deep respect for women in general. I see too many men that are okay with women in general being exploited or used. But that's a sad situation that Woogle discribed and I bet stuff like that happens alot.
AAlike Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 I think men love porn just as much as they love having an SO. Oh come on. I have been trying to logically debate with you without dabbling into the "you hate men" arena, but this is preposterous. Maybe this applies to the porn addicts that Scott was talking about (because an addict will never love another person like they love what they are addicted to), but I really doubt that most men would have a tough time deciding "gee, what's more important to me, my wife or some DVD's." I see too many men that are okay with women in general being exploited or used. I'm not OK with anyone being exploited or used against their will. I am, however, OK with anyone choosing to make a living the way that they see fit. honestly, I think that a strip club exploits men's idiocy in a very similar manner. I don't know anyone that's been in a porno (at least not to my knowledge) but I know a few strippers (one male). Although their enjoyment of their job seems to vary from person to person, just like any other job, I don't think that any of them are constantly crying themselves to sleep.
Jersey Shortie Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Oh come on. I have been trying to logically debate with you without dabbling into the "you hate men" arena, but this is preposterous. Well, it seems like it's something men need to sustain themselves through a monogmouse relationship. I think porn is a vivid and important part in men's lives. I am sure they don't *love* porn as they do their partner but it still continues to be a component that today's man indugles in more then *time to time*. And that men justify and excuse despite having a partner. .... but I really doubt that most men would have a tough time deciding "gee, what's more important to me, my wife or some DVD's." Logically, you would think that would be the case. But how many men lie about porn use, down play it or defend their use of it over what their partner is comfortable with. Even some encourage the partner that isn't comfortable with it to begin with to "watch it with them". I'm not OK with anyone being exploited or used against their will. I am, however, OK with anyone choosing to make a living the way that they see fit. honestly, I think that a strip club exploits men's idiocy in a very similar manner. I am as well. That doesn't mean porn doesn't exploit women though. And while someone is free to live as they see fit, doesn't justify men out there to view it and garner pleasure from the degradation of the female gender. I don't know anyone that's been in a porno (at least not to my knowledge) but I know a few strippers (one male). Although their enjoyment of their job seems to vary from person to person, just like any other job, I don't think that any of them are constantly crying themselves to sleep. I am sure they aren't. but the fact remains that drugs and drinking plays a big part in that life style in most cases. Even futher yet in the world of pornography. Not little girl grows up wishing tobe in porn or strip naked for loud, drunk drooling. learing, men of all sizes, types, ages and varieties.
a4a Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 exploited huh? http://www.askmen.com/celebs/women/models_250/262_jenna_jameson.html I want to be exploited.
Trialbyfire Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 No one can be exploited unless they're underage or part of the slave trafficking network. If they're free adults, strippers put themselves where they are, for money. If an establishment allows this kind of behavior from their customers, then the stripper can always leave, to strip elsewhere, which is the same option as anyone who's employed in any job. The skin industry is seedy. If you expect to be respected, you're in the wrong industry.
Jersey Shortie Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 exploited huh? [COLOR=#660000]http://www.askmen.com/celebs/women/m...a_jameson.html[/COLOR] I want to be exploited. That is a woman that has many issues and if you read interviews with her, she freely admits to them and why she got into the industry and how the industry treats women. Lets try to use Jenna Jameson as a good example of life. Most women don't even ever reach that level of success. And even though she has been very successful in what shedoes. How many men want their little girls to turn out like that and how man ywomen actually want to be that? Other then you of course. No one can be exploited unless they're underage or part of the slave trafficking network. If they're free adults, strippers put themselves where they are, for money. If an establishment allows this kind of behavior from their customers, then the stripper can always leave, to strip elsewhere, which is the same option as anyone who's employed in any job. Agreement does not negate explotation. Of course, they are free to leave and make their own choice but it doesn't mean they aren't being exploited. The skin industry is seedy. If you expect to be respected, you're in the wrong industry. And what about people that use the skin industry as a means to statisfy themselves? Where do they fall in terms of respect?
a4a Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Is gay porn bad too? That is just men watching other men being degraded so is that ok? And nope, I don't want to be a porn star but she at least did it right. Too many good looking women in the biz. I don't like coming in second (no pun intended). The fed ex dude just busted me watching porn. really.. it is true. Glad I had my pants on.
Trialbyfire Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Strippers are well paid, in comparison to other manual labour jobs like being a waitress. Both earn tips to supplement, if they choose to put out "good service". Why is a stripper exploited and a waitress not?
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