donnamaybe Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Not going to respond to my post Donna? You are entitled to your opinion, and I to mine. What's the point in arguing? Although I will say that not feeling "passionate" about your job is a far cry from absolutely hating the sight of yourself in the mirror in the morning because of it.
Jersey Shortie Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 You are entitled to your opinion, and I to mine. What's the point in arguing? Well, we are usually both up for a good debate so I am a little confused why yo udon't want to "argue" now. Although I will say that not feeling "passionate" about your job is a far cry from absolutely hating the sight of yourself in the mirror in the morning because of it. What does that have to do with anything we were discussing?
donnamaybe Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 What does that have to do with anything we were discussing? You're kidding, right? Re-read everything, 'cause I don't have the time to explain it.
Jersey Shortie Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Who hates themselves in the morning? Really you are veering off topic. These comments had nothing to with your orignal discussion.
donnamaybe Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Who hates themselves in the morning? Really you are veering off topic. These comments had nothing to with your orignal discussion. If I were a hostess at a restaurant, for example, it may not be particularly rewarding, but I wouldn't view myself in a bad light. I might view myself in a bad job, but not in a bad light. If I were a gal who sold herself for sex with some lecherous old man, I would HATE the sight of myself in the mirror.
donnamaybe Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Well, we are usually both up for a good debate so I am a little confused why yo udon't want to "argue" now. Yes, we are (), but it is clear that you find nothing wrong, and I don't mean MORALLY, with a woman selling herself for sex. I do, but not for moral reasons. We probably won't agree. But we can certainly agree to disagree.
stillafool Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 What is so threatening to you StillAFool if another woman decides to sell her body? Do you consider yourself a *better* person then a woman that does? Absolutely not! It certainly is no threat to me if a woman decides to lay down with a dog. I was answering the original question. However a person decides to make a living or pay their bills is entirely up to them.
BCCA Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Agreed. Of course there are "socially acceptable" jobs which are even more emotionally draining - such as a combat soldier, for example. To each his/her own. Youre comparing someone who risks their life for their country to someone that sluts it up instead of getting a job?
Shygirl15 Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Has any women here been involved with a man where you gave him companionship and in return he gave you money/gifts? I know a few women who are in arrangements like that, some of the men paid for their college education and they claim they didn't have to have sex with them. One of them told me about a website where you can get a sugardaddy, but some of the men on there seem kind of creepy:sick: Yes I did 13 years ago when I was 19, with this (obviously a pervert) German guy who was 25 years older. Parents were out of work and I really needed money to finish my degree and other expenses. I still feel disgusted to this day when I think about it, and it's definitely not something I will do again. On the bright side, this experience motivated me to struggle hard to be a successful and independent person I am today. So thanks..eerr.. sorry, forgot his name.
voldigicam Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 In order to trade values and morality for money, you have to have them in the first place. If the OP doesn't have any moral concerns about this practice, she's an adult, thus free to sell anything of herself, that she wants to. Of course if she's caught in an illegal act, reliant on what's legal in her jurisdiction, jail time can't be all that fun and a record will close doors for many, many jobs and careers. Also, she risks hooking up with a psycho, who won't care what she's willing to swap for money. He'll just take what he wants, regardless of pain, since she can't really enforce a contractual agreement, just charge him for rape and assault, if she's still alive to do it. Myself personally, I'd rather clean toilets, than be any kind of sugarbaby or prostitute, due to personal ethics. I think this will ramble a little bit. Interesting thread. I strongly suspect the best sugarbaby arrangements are those where older & younger both already have more than a sexual interest/need in the age differential aspect. I also suspect that escorts find a "click" with some clients and really look forward to continuing to see them. The "interview" process for a potential sugar daddy would eliminate the psycho aspects. I'm thinking of Ms. K. I initially hired her as a private dancer. She's younger, in college, and claimed to need money. First session was pretty standard and professional. Couldn't quite figure it out. Later sessions made clear that she liked to be dominated by an older man very much, and liked the experience as much or more than the money. Your average escort won't cuddle up and nuzzle for an extra hour, call her client "papa" and so on. I haven't seen her in a good while, but invited her to a dinner and ice cream (she's clearly into age play) and she accepted on a non-paying basis. I'll buy the dinner, but there's a clear age-play / sugar-daddy relationship forming that really doesn't focus on sex. Didn't have time and don't know that I'll pick that up when she gets back from summer break. But it shows that an opening for mutually beneficial relationships involving the older/younger sugardaddy type thing might exist and not be harmful. I'm tempted to establish a regular thing with her, partially out of curiosity about the whole phenomena. She's really different and fascinating, just perhaps a little young (potential granddaughter age). I don't necessarily hold that a young person seeking an older and willing to accept money is doing something bad. If that person takes on someone they can't like, then that's going to hurt. If that person finds someone they click with anyway and who has the resources, then I see no particular problem. This kind of thing regularly develops without money changing hands. The money changes things a bit, but not necessarily in a damaging way. Unfortunately, that doesn't seem to be the approach usually taken. I get emails from women who want me to pay them for regular companionship. These are a bit unseemly. And I suspect would be quite unhealthy. Now, as to the moral judgments on prostitution and so on. The topic of discussion in the major denominations down here seems to be on how to get the bad people to move on, rather than how to help these poor girls. And on the escorts. I have a couple of friends who are or were escorts. They seem to have or have had a "job" and suffered no ill effects. So I'll distinguish them from the forced into it street hookers. I didn't know these folks had that career path when I met them. But everyone likes to talk about sex. More coffee. Must have more coffee. How about less name calling?
Jersey Shortie Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Voldigicam, frankly, you are totally creeping me out. Feel free to share your stories but I feel free to express the weirdness of which is your lifestyle. No offense but the relationship situations you are describing are usually born out of deep, childhood unresolved issues. For *both* people invovled in the type of situations you described. And on the escorts. I have a couple of friends who are or were escorts. They seem to have or have had a "job" and suffered no ill effects. So I'll distinguish them from the forced into it street hookers. I didn't know these folks had that career path when I met them. But everyone likes to talk about sex. My question is how *deep* are your friendships with these people. No one goes into that kind of line of work and suffers *no* ill effects. People often hid the deeper parts of themselves that they feel are dirty, defective or will be judged.
JeezLouise Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 The topic of discussion in the major denominations down here seems to be on how to get the bad people to move on, rather than how to help these poor girls. I'm with the "creeped out" camp.) Voldigicam, you want to make it sound just peachy that some young girl wants you spank her after you feed her ice cream and buy her a new teddy bear - and then turn around and call women like this "poor girls". At the end of the day, no matter what, after you have gotten yours (whether you got yours through a BJ or whether you got yours on the thought that some young girl is turned on by some old guy in his 60's or whether you got yours through the thrill that you are cheating once again on a mentally handicapped wife ), you STILL think of these women as poor girls. Pity bordering on disgust? Pity bordering on contempt? That is exactly what it sounds like to me. And that, to me, is contemptible. (Maybe Maegan can hook up with you. You like the lifestyle, and she wants to try it. Sounds like a win-win for you both. But don't forget - she won't hesitate to destroy you and your family if you cross her.)
stillafool Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 And on the escorts. I have a couple of friends who are or were escorts. They seem to have or have had a "job" and suffered no ill effects. So I'll distinguish them from the forced into it street hookers. I didn't know these folks had that career path when I met them. But everyone likes to talk about sex. More coffee. Must have more coffee. How about less name calling? I don't see any difference between a prostitute who walks the street and an escort. They both have pimps and both are prostitutes. (except maybe the street walker is working for herself and not a male or female pimp.) I hear a lot or press about how the "call girls" have to be educated in order to "screw" these executives. Educated in what? (oral, doggy style, etc.). The bottom line is these guys are paying a woman to use her like a dirty rag. They are far more interested in sex than conversation. If they were truly interested in an intellectual conversation they wouldn't pay these girls for it because they could get that for free. Freaky, off the wall sexual fetishes and bizarre sexual fantasies - that's what they are paying for. So escort girls please don't think you are any better or of a higher class than a prostitute who walks the street.
a4a Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 One of my clients is a very wealthy individual. He keeps a girl in every port. They don't just have sex, they go on cruises, business functions, family functions. The women know about the other women. They get cars, trips, ocean front condos, and more than just sex. - Surely he is footing their bills. BTW he is not married but he is a mature man with a lot of charm. I don't see a problem with him or them. Not everyone wants a "only soul mate" and if he is willing to give gifts to people he cares about..... so be it. I do that too. I also know another single man who does this. He actually has photos of all his "dates" he takes on trips and such in his house.... he doesn't hide it either. The relationships span from a few weeks to years with these women -he pays their bills and provides trips and fun. WHORES! Some guys are just very giving.
n9688m Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 I don't see any difference between a prostitute who walks the street and an escort. They both have pimps Why do you think escorts have pimps? The bottom line is these guys are paying a woman to use her like a dirty rag. They are paying her for consensual activity. Is it better for a guy to pretend he loves a woman to fulfill his sexual drive? Or perhaps escorts serve a valid social purpose in letting men release sexual tension when single so that they are motivated to seek a long-term relationship for the "right" reasons and are not as motivated to make a bad choice for a relationship in order to fulfill sexual urges. You can't fight biology. The usrge for sex is incredibly strong. I would argue that escorts serve a very valid social function which in turn reduces the likelihood these men will emotionally manipulate non-paid women for sex.
2sure Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 I also suspect that escorts find a "click" with some clients and really look forward to continuing to see them. LOL. Thats the mark of a true professional, if not experienced then a natural - making the clients or "boyfriends" feel like there is a connection. Without that you not only dont get regulars, but in the case of "boyfriends" - you dont get gifts. I'm thinking of Ms. K. I initially hired her as a private dancer. She's younger, in college, and claimed to need money. First session was pretty standard and professional. Couldn't quite figure it out. Later sessions made clear that she liked to be dominated by an older man very much, and liked the experience as much or more than the money. Well, there has to be an element of liking what you are doing and also liking who you are doing it with - but for you to think - for one moment - that she likes it as much as or more than the money: You are being a self indulgent old man. And really, the world needs them so thats ok. Whats to creepy some and just laughable to me - is that you seem to think you have discovered something special or at least hit the jackpot....when in fact, you are completely and quite classically snowed.
grogster Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 I also suspect that escorts find a "click" with some clients and really look forward to continuing to see them. LOL. Thats the mark of a true professional, if not experienced then a natural - making the clients or "boyfriends" feel like there is a connection. Without that you not only dont get regulars, but in the case of "boyfriends" - you dont get gifts. I'm thinking of Ms. K. I initially hired her as a private dancer. She's younger, in college, and claimed to need money. First session was pretty standard and professional. Couldn't quite figure it out. Later sessions made clear that she liked to be dominated by an older man very much, and liked the experience as much or more than the money. Well, there has to be an element of liking what you are doing and also liking who you are doing it with - but for you to think - for one moment - that she likes it as much as or more than the money: You are being a self indulgent old man. And really, the world needs them so thats ok. Whats to creepy some and just laughable to me - is that you seem to think you have discovered something special or at least hit the jackpot....when in fact, you are completely and quite classically snowed. Speaking as an older man, although not a sugardaddy, I'd say that V is covered by about 15 feet of the white stuff. Guys are so easy...
2sure Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 I know, they are easy. And thats OK, and thats sweet. All they want is to feel like a man - even the definition doesnt vary that much. And I love that. But most "Sugar Daddys" naive either. Know that.
stillafool Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 One of my clients is a very wealthy individual. He keeps a girl in every port. They don't just have sex, they go on cruises, business functions, family functions. The women know about the other women. They get cars, trips, ocean front condos, and more than just sex. - Surely he is footing their bills. BTW he is not married but he is a mature man with a lot of charm. I don't see a problem with him or them. Not everyone wants a "only soul mate" and if he is willing to give gifts to people he cares about..... so be it. I do that too. I also know another single man who does this. He actually has photos of all his "dates" he takes on trips and such in his house.... he doesn't hide it either. The relationships span from a few weeks to years with these women -he pays their bills and provides trips and fun. WHORES! Some guys are just very giving. No, I wouldn't call any of these girls whores, they are pros! I don't see anything wrong with "anyone" spending their money the way they want to. Of course not everyone wants a soul mate or a permanent partner for that matter. So if a guy wants to pay for sex and a girl wants to sell her body for money, who cares?! My point is these women are all prostitutes and let's just call it what it is. No prostitute is any better than another one (except for their skills) no matter what package they come in.
stillafool Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Why do you think escorts have pimps? Because they have someone they have to share the money with. They have a "pimp" who they work for and have to pay. They are paying her for consensual activity. Consensual because they are getting paid. They would not have sex with these men without getting paid. Is it better for a guy to pretend he loves a woman to fulfill his sexual drive? I'm not talking about love or marriage. I don't think a man dating a prostitute is looking for love and the prostitute knows that. As a matter of fact I think guys who don't want love and just want sex should seek out prostitutes. I respect them far more than men who lie and cheat for sex. At least these guys are up front and pay for what they want. There's no crime here. Or perhaps escorts serve a valid social purpose in letting men release sexual tension when single so that they are motivated to seek a long-term relationship for the "right" reasons and are not as motivated to make a bad choice for a relationship in order to fulfill sexual urges. Prostitutes serve a very valid purpose anyway. A man doesn't have to be motivated to seek a long term relationship unless he wants to. If he is happy seeing prostitutes for the rest of his life - that's his business. You can't fight biology. The usrge for sex is incredibly strong. I would argue that escorts serve a very valid social function which in turn reduces the likelihood these men will emotionally manipulate non-paid women for sex This is where we differ. I think men should see whoever they want. Maybe they never want to be with a non-paid woman and only prostitutes - again it is their choice and their business. My point is not about why the men see prostitutes, my point is no prostitute is better than another (except for her skills).
n9688m Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Because they have someone they have to share the money with. They have a "pimp" who they work for and have to pay. Like maybe their children? How do you know escorts are not single moms? Consensual because they are getting paid. They would not have sex with these men without getting paid. Do you have a job? Why is your job moral but beign an escort is not? I'm not talking about love or marriage. I don't think a man dating a prostitute is looking for love and the prostitute knows that. Exactly - so everyone's intentions are clear up front. That's way better than many "dating" situations. As a matter of fact I think guys who don't want love and just want sex should seek out prostitutes. I respect them far more than men who lie and cheat for sex. At least these guys are up front and pay for what they want. There's no crime here. Exacatly - we agree. I would also say that prostitutes serve a valid purpose for men seeking love but who have not found it yet. Better to temporarily satisfy sexual urges that way than by faking love just to get laid. My point is not about why the men see prostitutes, my point is no prostitute is better than another (except for her skills). My point is there is nothing immoral about what a prostitute does. Doctors only see patients for money. Does that mean they do not enjoy their work? Frankly I think it's more immoral for doctors to refuse to treat poor patients than for prostitutes to refuse to have sex with poor men.
stillafool Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Like maybe their children? How do you know escorts are not single moms? Do you have a job? Why is your job moral but beign an escort is not? Exactly - so everyone's intentions are clear up front. That's way better than many "dating" situations. Exacatly - we agree. I would also say that prostitutes serve a valid purpose for men seeking love but who have not found it yet. Better to temporarily satisfy sexual urges that way than by faking love just to get laid. My point is there is nothing immoral about what a prostitute does. Doctors only see patients for money. Does that mean they do not enjoy their work? Frankly I think it's more immoral for doctors to refuse to treat poor patients than for prostitutes to refuse to have sex with poor men. You have no argument from me about a prostitute's job. If she wants to be a prostitute then fine - who cares? If that's the way (he or she) decides to make a living that is up to them. I don't think they should refuse to have sex with paying clients, that's stupid, why would they be prostitutes if they didn't want to make money? I have nothing against prostitutes or the men that hire them. In fact I agree with you. I don't understand your argument. Obviously you didn't read or understand my previous post.
a4a Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 No, I wouldn't call any of these girls whores, they are pros! I don't see anything wrong with "anyone" spending their money the way they want to. Of course not everyone wants a soul mate or a permanent partner for that matter. So if a guy wants to pay for sex and a girl wants to sell her body for money, who cares?! My point is these women are all prostitutes and let's just call it what it is. No prostitute is any better than another one (except for their skills) no matter what package they come in. Pros? I don't think so. I could fall into this category. I am not a pro. But if a wealthy attractive man wants to pay my bills and we roll in the hay on occassion I am not going to protest him paying my bills - if that is what he wants to do. I wouldn't have sex with him if I found him replusive nor would I be angry if he had other women in his life. I am not looking to marry anyone. I could be a escort in this case. Be it a visit once a month or once a week. As long as the man was not repulsive to me. Women do whore themselves out for much less. They just don't admit they do whore themselves out even to their husbands. Hell he can even tie me up and spank me.... might be fun. But I honestly would not bother just having random sex with a man that has nothing to offer unless I am just really horny. Having a Sugardaddy doesn't make one a prostitute/escort/pro. You can and do build a relationship in most cases I have observed. Not just a bj behind a dumpster. A no strings mutual benefit relationship.
stillafool Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Like maybe their children? How do you know escorts are not single moms? A prostitute has to pay a pimp out of her money or a escort service (pimp) out of her money. I would imagine any money left over goes to pay her bills and support her children just like anyone else. I don't know if prostitutes are all single moms or not, but I would bet some of them are married. Do you have a job? Why is your job moral but beign an escort is not? I have never implied that a prostitute's job is immoral. Please show me where I said that. Her job is what it is. Just like yours. My point is there is nothing immoral about what a prostitute does. No one is arguing this point and I understand what you are saying. Again, my point is no prostitute is better than another (except for her or his skills). Doctors only see patients for money. Does that mean they do not enjoy their work? Frankly I think it's more immoral for doctors to refuse to treat poor patients than for prostitutes to refuse to have sex with poor men. Everyone I know works for money. If they don't want money they do nothing at all or volunteer work. Doctors who refuse to treat poor patients shouldn't be doctors and prostitutes who refuse to screw poor men shouldn't be prostitutes. I agree with you.
stillafool Posted May 7, 2009 Posted May 7, 2009 Pros? I don't think so. I could fall into this category. I am not a pro. But if a wealthy attractive man wants to pay my bills and we roll in the hay on occassion I am not going to protest him paying my bills - if that is what he wants to do. I wouldn't have sex with him if I found him replusive nor would I be angry if he had other women in his life. I am not looking to marry anyone. I could be a escort in this case. Be it a visit once a month or once a week. As long as the man was not repulsive to me. Women do whore themselves out for much less. They just don't admit they do whore themselves out even to their husbands. Hell he can even tie me up and spank me.... might be fun. But I honestly would not bother just having random sex with a man that has nothing to offer unless I am just really horny. Having a Sugardaddy doesn't make one a prostitute/escort/pro. You can and do build a relationship in most cases I have observed. Not just a bj behind a dumpster. A no strings mutual benefit relationship. Darling who cares? If you want to roll in the hay and get your bills paid that is up to you. Good for you that you are an amateur making pro bucks for what you do. But look up the word prostitute in the dictionary: Prostitute: one who engages in sexual activity for pay. It's perfectly fine to do what you do but just be honest about what it is and what you are doing.
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