MN randomguy Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Okay. I had set up a profile on the sugardaddy site, stating that NO SEX, would be involved. I still got quite a few replies from a lot of men, but they are rarely single men though. If you can make money without sex as a faux-prostitute, think of how much money you can make as a full-on prostitute! I've noticed that the guys on this site seem to think that your friend is turning tricks. Some women are disagreeing. Who do you think has a better insight into what's going on in these guy's minds? Having a hot young woman around that would "date" me with the idea to never-ever have sex is about like having a Ferarri in the garage and never get to drive it. What's the point, it would be SOOOOOO frustrating.
n9688m Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 You gotta lay off the life experience thing. You being 10 years older than someone does not mean that you are right all of the time. It's not an issue of arbitrary age. Someone who believes it is possible to judge another person's character or actions many years into the future surely is demonstrating a bit of naivete.
spookie Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 What is so wrong, especially in this safe-sex world, with accepting some money for payment? You could still be discerning about who you had sex with. You don't have to be a DIRTY prostitute. But... just cause you're getting money for something... doens't mean you would have minded doing it for me. If they're paying you, you're just having sex smarter.
voldigicam Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Actually, I can envision such a relationship without any prospect of sex. The term 'sugardaddy' profanises and disguises wide variety of possible scenarios, one of them being a purely mentorship relationship. A classy older dude showing the ropes of whatever the field in question and life in general to motivated, bright girl. (Moreover, the genders can be reversed.) Sure, sex does not *have* to be completely off the table, but in the classy scenario it would be completely the girl's initiative, rather than expected/assumed based on the delivery of money and gifts - people sleep with people they look up to all the time. This one really got off track. Anyway, Spade is dead on. The number of different relationships possible with or without pay seems limitless. The age-play aspect is really quite a delight. Doesn't at all have to be a "mentorship" type thing. Most women don't really seem to seek the "I need advise" thing as much as the "sounding board" or "clearing house" or "emotional support" things. This can be quite enjoyable from each side. The level of age play varies lots, too. Paying for it? Well. I can see that. Even without sex. I generally wouldn't. Were I a billionaire? Hmm. Good question. Do keep open minds and avoid pigeonholing things. Even on the other subject. I was a physically abused husband with a cheating wife. Things can work differently! Oh, 8:18. About time for my girl to pop online and say hi. It's funny when she pops on at 11 and tells me it's bedtime for pops! I'm actually slightly younger than her dad, by about 5 years. She's looking for some little-girl snuggle time soon, which will be fun. Have fun.
grogster Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 I dated an older man that offered to pay for my college education. I didn't take it but I won't pretend the option wasn't attractive. Honestly, I think people are being harsh here. No one condemns a man for enjoying a hot woman's sexy body. Why should we condemn women for enjoying a man's hot money? I agree. Assuming both adult parties are "safe" and the contract terms are clear, understood and mutually agreed upon, why is it "wrong" or "exploitative" to trade companionship for money or material goods? Both parties, in the bargained for exchange, are obtaining what they feel they lack and therefore want. The old guy is getting sexual attention from a younger woman, and the younger woman is being adequately compensated for her services. Where's the harm? In varying degrees, many of us do this much of the time: It's called marriage.
2sure Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 I agree. Assuming both adult parties are "safe" and the contract terms are clear, understood and mutually agreed upon, why is it "wrong" or "exploitative" to trade companionship for money or material goods? Both parties, in the bargained for exchange, are obtaining what they feel they lack and therefore want. The old guy is getting sexual attention from a younger woman, and the younger woman is being adequately compensated for her services. Where's the harm? In varying degrees, many of us do this much of the time: It's called marriage. Thank you!! After I wrote my previous reply to this thread...I went home and thought about it all night. I know my reply sounded like I was some kind of call girl . And the fact is that some would interpret it that way. But thats not how it was, thats not how I felt. At the time, I thought the "relationship terms" I had with men were a way of me being in control. I thought I was unable to have a healthy relationship, was sick of dating, tired of looking.... But with the benefit of hindsight and the humbleness of age...I realize that I was just screwed up, paying the rent, and figuring life out.
Jersey Shortie Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Here you are justifiying prostitution and in other posts you argue against porn and stripping I am not justifying prostitution. I don't agree with prositution and I wouldn't want to be with a man that visited a woman of the evening. Not because I think she is a horrible person or because I think he is one too. I think it's ass-backwards to condemn a woman on grounds of "morals" for exchanging sex for money. Until the day the rest of us are pure virgins that waited until marriage to engage in lewd and salcious acts of pleasure, how can we call out a prostitute on grounds of "immoralness"? How can we justify a man getting his needs met through "hot women" and exploiting women yet condem the women for it? And lets be clear. I am against committed men going to strippers and viewing porn. I don't think they are professions that respect women but I don't condemn women that do them as "bad" or less deserving of respect. I think tough and stupid choices led them to that profession. I think porn and strip clubs are industries that pray on vunerable women in tough spots in life. Not too many women become a stripper, prositute or porn star because that was her hopes to be as a little girl. Let me know if yo uhave any further questions on my beliefs.
stillafool Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Has any women here been involved with a man where you gave him companionship and in return he gave you money/gifts? I know a few women who are in arrangements like that, some of the men paid for their college education and they claim they didn't have to have sex with them. One of them told me about a website where you can get a sugardaddy, but some of the men on there seem kind of creepy:sick: No I already had a great father who taught me to stand on my own and respect myself by working and buying the things I want in life. You should try it it's so fulfilling to know you can actually make money without selling your time and body.
Jersey Shortie Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 What is so threatening to you StillAFool if another woman decides to sell her body? Do you consider yourself a *better* person then a woman that does?
donnamaybe Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 What is so threatening to you StillAFool if another woman decides to sell her body? Do you consider yourself a *better* person then a woman that does? I would. Not that you asked me, but how hard could it possibly be for someone to just collect money for sex? Anyone who isn't extremely unattractive can do that. Now to obtain skills, go find a job, and make yourself valuable ON that job takes some effort.
n9688m Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Not that you asked me, but how hard could it possibly be for someone to just collect money for sex? That is correct if you are describing a streetwalker. If you are talking about a high class call girl who wants to attract and retain consistent clientele then I think you are quite mistaken. The preparation, marketing, and social skills required in that case would require the same fundamental skills for a model, actress , and entrepreneur all rolled into one.
donnamaybe Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 That is correct if you are describing a streetwalker. If you are talking about a high class call girl who wants to attract and retain consistent clientele then I think you are quite mistaken. The preparation, marketing, and social skills required in that case would require the same fundamental skills for a model, actress , and entrepreneur all rolled into one. Um, okay. All it REALLY requires is a little better quality of clothes and makeup and watching "My Fair Lady" for pointers.
n9688m Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 All it REALLY requires is a little better quality of clothes and makeup and watching "My Fair Lady" for pointers. Sort of like being a hostess at a restaurant or a model or an actress?
donnamaybe Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Sort of like being a hostess at a restaurant or a model or an actress? Well, if you equate having to wipe away the last man's leavings so the next one can have at you to serving food to paying customers, then we live in totally different worlds. And if you think just ANYONE with a pretty face can be an actress, think again. People go to school for that, or did that fact escape you?
n9688m Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Well, if you equate having to wipe away the last man's leavings so the next one can have at you to serving food to paying customers, then we live in totally different worlds. No I am talking about a hostess - not a waitress. A hostess smiles, looks pretty, and seats customers at a table - nothing else. And if you think just ANYONE with a pretty face can be an actress, think again. People go to school for that, or did that fact escape you? No I don't think that anyone with a pretty face can be an actress. I also think there are hot women who would not have the social skills as a high class call girl to create an illusion to interest customers in returning regularly. There are some very interesting blogs on the net from call girls who describe that the girls who are most successful are those who can quickly sense a man's emotions, empathize with him, and form at least an illusion of an emotional and physical connection almost immediately upon meeting him. That's not something just any hot girl can do well.
Jersey Shortie Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 I would. Not that you asked me, but how hard could it possibly be for someone to just collect money for sex? Anyone who isn't extremely unattractive can do that. Now to obtain skills, go find a job, and make yourself valuable ON that job takes some effort. How many of us have terribly difficult skill induced jobs? I have skills in my job but at the end of a day, anyone could do my job. How many of us feel truly passionate for what we do for a living? I might be a vaulable employee but what I do does not define my value as a human being. As long as a person isn't living off welfare, earning no income, my job isn't more important then what a call girl might do. I don't know. But you are assuming that a call girl isn't contributing anything else to society or her family by mere idea of what her job is. On an emotional level I could never be a prostitute but I don't think someone that is is a less worthwhile human being then myself or you or is somehow contributing less or doesn't have skills.
2sure Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 No I don't think that anyone with a pretty face can be an actress. I also think there are hot women who would not have the social skills as a high class call girl to create an illusion to interest customers in returning regularly. There are some very interesting blogs on the net from call girls who describe that the girls who are most successful are those who can quickly sense a man's emotions, empathize with him, and form at least an illusion of an emotional and physical connection almost immediately upon meeting him. That's not something just any hot girl can do well. Bingo. And that skill doesn't come without a cost. Although I have never been a call girl, the whole "sugar daddy" thing I have experience with. The cost is that you learn not to have your own personality. You put your emotional needs so far on the bottom of the list - that eventually you dont even recognize them. Not only that but when you actually do make a real connection with a man - you dont recognize the sincerity in it.
donnamaybe Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 The cost is that you learn not to have your own personality. You put your emotional needs so far on the bottom of the list - that eventually you dont even recognize them. Not only that but when you actually do make a real connection with a man - you dont recognize the sincerity in it. And is this something a person with self respect does? Not bashing you, 2sure, to be certain, but really, some self respect goes a long way toward a happy, fulfilling life.
2sure Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Agreed! Like I say - these things were , for me - in another life . Ive come a long way and learned a lot since those days and because of those days.
donnamaybe Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Agreed! Like I say - these things were , for me - in another life . Ive come a long way and learned a lot since those days and because of those days. And I personally find that you DO supply a wealth of good, well thought out information and advice in your posts in many, many threads.
helovesme Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Be careful with that - to put your values and morals aside for money just seems too high of a price to pay in my opinion.
n9688m Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 The cost is that you learn not to have your own personality. You put your emotional needs so far on the bottom of the list - that eventually you dont even recognize them. Not only that but when you actually do make a real connection with a man - you dont recognize the sincerity in it. Agreed. Of course there are "socially acceptable" jobs which are even more emotionally draining - such as a combat soldier, for example. To each his/her own.
Trialbyfire Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Be careful with that - to put your values and morals aside for money just seems too high of a price to pay in my opinion.In order to trade values and morality for money, you have to have them in the first place. If the OP doesn't have any moral concerns about this practice, she's an adult, thus free to sell anything of herself, that she wants to. Of course if she's caught in an illegal act, reliant on what's legal in her jurisdiction, jail time can't be all that fun and a record will close doors for many, many jobs and careers. Also, she risks hooking up with a psycho, who won't care what she's willing to swap for money. He'll just take what he wants, regardless of pain, since she can't really enforce a contractual agreement, just charge him for rape and assault, if she's still alive to do it. Myself personally, I'd rather clean toilets, than be any kind of sugarbaby or prostitute, due to personal ethics.
donnamaybe Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Agreed. Of course there are "socially acceptable" jobs which are even more emotionally draining - such as a combat soldier, for example. To each his/her own. But there is an implied "noble cause" involved in being a soldier. A hooker or some guy's purchased plaything, not so much.
Jersey Shortie Posted May 6, 2009 Posted May 6, 2009 Not going to respond to my post Donna? Be careful with that - to put your values and morals aside for money just seems too high of a price to pay in my opinion. Everyone in the world as done this at one point.
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