GorillaTheater Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 ahhhh...nice move....when all things fail, make it personal... You may have taken that as an insult, but it was merely an observation on my part. My insults tend to be quite a bit more blunt and colorful. attention, huh?.....and I got yours? Folks sometimes will settle for negative attention. Being a grumpy old bastard, I'm often happy to oblige. What can I say? I am too ugly to ever get attention in the real world....should I apologize? Don't apologize. It won't be heartfelt or with the proper level of near-suicidal remorse, and we'll be compelled to beat you with a rusty shovel.
Owl Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 Don't apologize. It won't be heartfelt or with the proper level of near-suicidal remorse, and we'll be compelled to beat you with a rusty shovel. SWEET!!! Who's got the rusty shovels handy???
Owl Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 Now I fully understand your moral stand on lies. Oh and by the way, Why even bother to apologize in the first place if you do not really regret it? THAT'S silly to me. Good point. Had I been in 2sure's situation, I wouldn't have lied either. I'd have simply beaten the potential OW with a rusty shovel. Much more honest and up front...not to mention satisfying!
tami-chan Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 You may have taken that as an insult, but it was merely an observation on my part. My insults tend to be quite a bit more blunt and colorful. No insult taken, but just quite disappointed that you would resort to that, instead of a lively discussion. Seems like a desperate attempt to discredit me. Don't apologize. It won't be heartfelt or with the proper level of near-suicidal remorse, and we'll be compelled to beat you with a rusty shovel.The question was rhetorical . But I will take your threat seriously, I am after all just a tiny Asian woman and can easily be over-powered by bully gorillas like you. Not to mention I am only ONE and there are several of you--one with admitted violent tendencies, too.
GorillaTheater Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 No insult taken, but just quite disappointed that you would resort to that, instead of a lively discussion. Seems like a desperate attempt to discredit me. My discussions are generally lively; I even made Owl laugh with the "rusty shovel" bit. And I stand by my "attention-seeking" comment. But if you don't want to talk about that, s'okay by me.
bentnotbroken Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 You ran out of er....intelligent things to say? Bent, c'mon you are better than empty comments like this. I had to speak so you would understand. As long as you view life as a blurry gray, there is no way you will understand the black and white. I won't ever understand you, nor you me and I think we are both good with that. K. :)
tami-chan Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 My discussions are generally lively; I even made Owl laugh with the "rusty shovel" bit. And I stand by my "attention-seeking" comment. But if you don't want to talk about that, s'okay by me. lively, really? LOL....so wait, YOU want to talk about it? hmmm...and you think I am the one seeking attention? C'mon...I see projection here.:rolleyes:....but whatever....
bentnotbroken Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 Good point. Had I been in 2sure's situation, I wouldn't have lied either. I'd have simply beaten the potential OW with a rusty shovel. Much more honest and up front...not to mention satisfying! Nice. Can I have a rusty shovel too.
GorillaTheater Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 Nice. Can I have a rusty shovel too. I think I'm going to need mine very shortly, but I may have a horse-poop encrusted gravel rake around here someplace.
tami-chan Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 I had to speak so you would understand. As long as you view life as a blurry gray, there is no way you will understand the black and white. I won't ever understand you, nor you me and I think we are both good with that. K. :) Thank you. This is better than the empty comments. Well gray does not mean blurry....but to each his own, and I do understand your kind but you not understanding me is 'good' with me, yes.
bentnotbroken Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 I think I'm going to need mine very shortly, but I may have a horse-poop encrusted gravel rake around here someplace. As long as it isn't a ho:rolleyes:
Owl Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 Thank you. This is better than the empty comments. Well gray does not mean blurry....but to each his own, and I do understand your kind but you not understanding me is 'good' with me, yes. No...but grey in this case is meant to mean "indistinct". Blurry would have the same connotation. But...having blurry or grey thinking might have made the distinction hard for you to discern. :) Hope this helped.
tami-chan Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 I think I'm going to need mine very shortly, but I may have a horse-poop encrusted gravel rake around here someplace. LOL..funny. Desperate measures?
tami-chan Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 No...but grey in this case is meant to mean "indistinct". Blurry would have the same connotation. But...having blurry or grey thinking might have made the distinction hard for you to discern. :) Hope this helped. No my gray, just means that each situation is different and thus need to be dealt with differently. Core values will remain but my response will be different. Do you think your wife is a whore for cheating on you? many people think cheating wives are that...but I do not think YOU ever think that otherwise why would you even try and save the marriage? what would that say about you? or the "black and white" saying of " once a cheater, always a cheater" ...well, maybe..maybe not....that's the kind of gray I am coming from.
Owl Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 No my gray, just means that each situation is different and thus need to be dealt with differently. Core values will remain but my response will be different. Do you think your wife is a whore for cheating on you? many people think cheating wives are that...but I do not think YOU ever think that otherwise why would you even try and save the marriage? what would that say about you? or the "black and white" saying of " once a cheater, always a cheater" ...well, maybe..maybe not....that's the kind of gray I am coming from. Do I think that everyone who cheats is a whore or whatever? Nope. Do I believe the "once a cheater, always a cheater" adage? Nope. However...I do believe that everyone who cheats makes the choice TO cheat...and is therefore RESPONSIBLE for their decision to cheat, and for the impacts it has on those around them. I do believe the adage "twice a cheater, always a cheater". Because once can be poor decision making...twice is a deliberate action...and the second time was an "informed decision" in which the cheater knew the potential damages and STILL chose to cheat. I also believe that the "differences" in every situation very rarely have any true impact on the outcome...or on the advice needed to help the poster. I believe that cheating is wrong...is a bad choice...every time. It is NEVER justifiable. I'm a black and white thinker.
tami-chan Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 Do I think that everyone who cheats is a whore or whatever? Nope. Do I believe the "once a cheater, always a cheater" adage? Nope. However...I do believe that everyone who cheats makes the choice TO cheat...and is therefore RESPONSIBLE for their decision to cheat, and for the impacts it has on those around them. I do believe the adage "twice a cheater, always a cheater". Because once can be poor decision making...twice is a deliberate action...and the second time was an "informed decision" in which the cheater knew the potential damages and STILL chose to cheat. I also believe that the "differences" in every situation very rarely have any true impact on the outcome...or on the advice needed to help the poster. I believe that cheating is wrong...is a bad choice...every time. It is NEVER justifiable. I'm a black and white thinker. Ok. So do you believe lying is right or wrong? or is there any circumstance that lying can be justified?
Owl Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 There are times when lying is required. I'd be "lying" if I said otherwise. As I said earlier tho...personally, I wouldn't have lied to the potential OW in this case...but I would have point blank told her to back the eff off. So I don't agree with 2sure's lying to her...but on the other hand, the person she was dealing with clearly wasn't likely to "play by the rules" with 2sure either...so I don't condemn 2sure for doing so, nor do I think she should beat herself up over it. So I'm assuming that you're now going to try to back me into a corner and condemn me for having double standards about condoning lying, and so on and so forth and yada, yada, yada. Please don't waste my time with that. I've been down that road with any number of other posters...it wouldn't be new, or the least bit entertaining. If you're going to post on this site...why not post to help people, rather than simply try to pick fights and rile people up?
tami-chan Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 Ha!:p:p! too many words in the response for such a "simple" question. There are times when lying is required. I'd be "lying" if I said otherwise. My thoughts exactly. Like I said before most people lie not because they want to hurt the other person, but for self-preservation or (gasp!) to spare the other person of further hurt ( yes, it is deluded, but it happens). So I'm assuming that you're now going to try to back me into a corner and condemn me for having double standards about condoning lying, and so on and so forth and yada, yada, yada. No I won't. That would be too easy. I am magnanimous. If you're going to post on this site...why not post to help people, rather than simply try to pick fights and rile people up?hmmm...excuse me, are you telling ME, what I should do on this site? LOL...say it aint so , joe. Not everybody is your patient. Is it "picking a fight" because I do not cower to the rage of many BSs? BSs do not faze me. I AM a BS.
Reggie Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 Ok. So do you believe lying is right or wrong? or is there any circumstance that lying can be justified? Yep, I do. If Nazi storm troopers are looking for little Anne Frank, I'd point them in the wrong direction. Same with someone trying to invade the marriage. Give her something to worry about so she is occupied.
bentnotbroken Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 Relative to what? Saving a life or bonking someone else's spouse. Hmmm seems.... oh what's the phrase?
Reggie Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 It is black and white. If one has to lie to avoid imminent harm, it's okay. If one chooses to lie for gain(like in order to enjoy an affair at another's expense), it is wrong. See, pretty black and white. Like the clear distinction between justifiable homicide and murder. Not so complicated,eh?
desertmoon Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 Relative to what? Saving a life or bonking someone else's spouse. Hmmm seems.... oh what's the phrase? Bonking? ..lol Well, apparently it all depends upon the situation. So it appears to be relative-you do not agree? Would it be right for me to lie to my H if I know for sure he will kill the xOM if he found out about my affair?
Reggie Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 I'd say it would. But, then you should go ahead and divorce him, so he can find someone that will be faithful to him.
Hi.P.O'Crit Posted May 5, 2009 Posted May 5, 2009 There are times when lying is required. I'd be "lying" if I said otherwise. As I said earlier tho...personally, I wouldn't have lied to the potential OW in this case...but I would have point blank told her to back the eff off. 2sure did tell her to back off, then lied. So I don't agree with 2sure's lying to her...but on the other hand, the person she was dealing with clearly wasn't likely to "play by the rules" with 2sure either...so I don't condemn 2sure for doing so, nor do I think she should beat herself up over it. Are you a mind reader? Do you have a crystal ball? How do you know this to be true? And don't say because she was trying to seduce 2sure's husband. So I'm assuming that you're now going to try to back me into a corner and condemn me for having double standards about condoning lying, and so on and so forth and yada, yada, yada. Are you saying that you do have double standards? Isn't that known as hypocrisy? Please don't waste my time with that. I've been down that road with any number of other posters...it wouldn't be new, or the least bit entertaining. If you're going to post on this site...why not post to help people, rather than simply try to pick fights and rile people up? As many on here have said, sometimes the help we get is not the help we want.
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