Jake Barnes Posted April 27, 2009 Posted April 27, 2009 Paaaahahah yeah no wonder he is a believer that gays are "made" and that you can grow out of it, in the 70's he was good friends with and used to do LSD with Allen Ginsberg, who was as an out homosexual, and they posed naked in a magazine spread. I guess after he cut the drugs out of his system he was able to "straighten" his life out in many respects and that's why now at 66 he is so darn angry. Whatev he's a hypocrite! Look the guy makes some good arguments but just because he can argue it does not make him the voice of reason. As most ultra conservatives, he is as tormented as they come. He is a "reformed one thing or another" and his extreme conservative views are fascist in nature. There is nothing worse than seeing a reformed anything take the complete extreme opposite when he "has seen the light" That is the true definition of hypocrisy. He wrote about having some latent homosexual tendencies in a novel he wrote in the 1980's, but that doesn't mean he has to be politically correct wiht regards to gay marraige or gay adoption etc
MissConduct Posted April 27, 2009 Posted April 27, 2009 He wrote about having some latent homosexual tendencies in a novel he wrote in the 1980's, but that doesn't mean he has to be politically correct wiht regards to gay marraige or gay adoption etc I think in some respects as a society we have become TOO politically correct and why I like the way in which he really puts himself out there. This is why every time he comments on the Mexican illegals, for example, he is pegged as "racist" He makes some strong valid arguments and just because he wants to preserve his nation from illegal immigration, not immigration as a whole, it doesn't make him a racist in my eyes at least. Now in terms of his views on homosexuality, I just don't think that he can claim an entire fraction of the population is a "farce" or "self-made" given his own experiences with being able to overcome his homo erotic tendencies, that's where he loses me. But all in all the guy is quite engaging. In terms of the OP's date, I wonder if the guy also shares all the extreme views that Savage does or he just appreciates his level of intelligence and power of persuasion. As I said earlier I respect his power of persuasion in terms of how he debates but I don't agree with all his views.
MissConduct Posted April 27, 2009 Posted April 27, 2009 My mistake. I was thinking of Dennis Miller. Yeah that's probably a better comparison.
alphamale Posted April 27, 2009 Posted April 27, 2009 Anyone know anything about this Savage guy? i think Teachers Pet listens to him constantly. he may be of help
Jake Barnes Posted April 27, 2009 Posted April 27, 2009 i think Teachers Pet listens to him constantly. he may be of help No TP sounds a lot more like Sean Levin Limbaugh
MN randomguy Posted April 27, 2009 Posted April 27, 2009 I don't know how big of a deal politics is to you. I do think that men tend to be more conservative and women tend to be more liberal. Liberalism is more about caring for the weak and taps into a nurturing tenancy while conservatives view the world more as a competitive field. I've saw the Youtube, it is entertaining. A lot of people may miss the humor. I dunno, I guess if you like him you should give him a chance. Don't ask for our permission.
Trialbyfire Posted April 27, 2009 Posted April 27, 2009 Ruby, my parents have been married for approx. 4 decades, are and have always been, deeply in love, and not once, have shared a single political view! As long as this guy isn't politically unbalanced, just relax and enjoy your next date.
Author Ruby Slippers Posted April 29, 2009 Author Posted April 29, 2009 We were supposed to go out last night. We didn't make specific plans, but agreed we'd leave that open and decide day of exactly what to do and when. He didn't call, and since I wasn't that jazzed about him, given the conservative thing (and since I never call guys, especially in the early stages), that's that. I don't see it as a loss, but I do wonder why a guy would bother to ask for my number and set a date, then not follow through. Why even take the time to set something up in the first place?
MissConduct Posted April 29, 2009 Posted April 29, 2009 Maybe something happend or came up Rubby, are you really going to write him off that quickly? What if he calls you later in the week with a legitimate reason or he simply didn't think it was set in stone to call you yesterday?
Author Ruby Slippers Posted April 29, 2009 Author Posted April 29, 2009 If he has a legitimate reason for not calling, I'll consider it. If he's just a flake, I won't. If a guy can't even stick to a simple plan like a date on Tuesday night -- which he suggested -- he's most likely a waste of my time.
MissConduct Posted April 29, 2009 Posted April 29, 2009 Oh I see he had asked you for a date Tuesday night, I thought he had said he would call. Either way, you're right he would need a legit reason otherwise that is flaky. Was this someone you met online whom you've never met in person or was this a date after meeting?
2sure Posted April 29, 2009 Posted April 29, 2009 Its possible that if you were not interested in the same radio show's politics , he felt it wasnt a good match. Which is lame. If you do end up going out with him again: I listen to a local radio show almost every day that is 100% opposite of my own political views. Sometimes I get worked up and yell at the radio, sometimes it just makes me laugh. Either way it entertains me. Just pointing out that although I listen to it daily, it in no way reflects my beliefs.
Author Ruby Slippers Posted April 29, 2009 Author Posted April 29, 2009 I met him last Friday, when I was biking in the forest preserve. He was also biking, and he approached me when I was sitting in the grass, soaking up some sun. We talked for about 15 minutes, and he asked for my number. The conversation was good, and he was gentlemanly and respectfully flirtatious. The only thing he said that was over the top for a first meeting was "You're gorgeous." But he kind of shyly slipped that in at the end, so I just laughed and let it slide. He called me as I was biking away and left his number for me (I didn't have my phone or a pen on me). We played phone tag a bit, then had a half hour or so conversation on Sunday, which was fun and intellectually stimulating. At the end, he asked me out for dinner on Tuesday, and said he'd call that day to square away the details. When he mentioned the radio program, I didn't react positively or negatively, since I didn't know anything about the show at the time.
MissConduct Posted April 29, 2009 Posted April 29, 2009 I listen to a local radio show almost every day that is 100% opposite of my own political views. Sometimes I get worked up and yell at the radio, sometimes it just makes me laugh. :lmao: :lmao: that was funny! I do the same but generally just start-up problems with my comp. carry on back on topic...
MissConduct Posted April 29, 2009 Posted April 29, 2009 I met him last Friday, when I was biking in the forest preserve. He was also biking, and he approached me when I was sitting in the grass, soaking up some sun. We talked for about 15 minutes, and he asked for my number. The conversation was good, and he was gentlemanly and respectfully flirtatious. The only thing he said that was over the top for a first meeting was "You're gorgeous." But he kind of shyly slipped that in at the end, so I just laughed and let it slide. He called me as I was biking away and left his number for me (I didn't have my phone or a pen on me). We played phone tag a bit, then had a half hour or so conversation on Sunday, which was fun and intellectually stimulating. At the end, he asked me out for dinner on Tuesday, and said he'd call that day to square away the details. When he mentioned the radio program, I didn't react positively or negatively, since I didn't know anything about the show at the time. Ohhhhhh how disappointing!!! What a great story, I love how you met!! I hope he calls and has a good reason for you. I assumed Internet since that seems to be all people talk about these days, meeting online and the fickleness of doing so.
Author Ruby Slippers Posted April 29, 2009 Author Posted April 29, 2009 I have never done Internet dating, and I don't imagine I will. Not for me.
normal Posted April 29, 2009 Posted April 29, 2009 If politics are a big deal to you, and to him and both of your views are different it might be a red flag. If it's a casual thing that you read up on once in a while and you both have different views it probably won't have a huge effect. Politics are a big deal to me, so i chose to date someone for the long term that has similar views.. same with religion. I am an atheist/agnostic (also libertarian), tried dating a catholic (hardcore conservative) and things just didn't work out.
refurb Posted April 29, 2009 Posted April 29, 2009 I wouldn't dismiss a guy just because he listens to Michael Savage. Get to know the guy. He might consider him more entertainment than anything else. He might not also agree with him 100%. You could meet another guy who doesn't listen to Michael Savage, but feels the need to inject politics into every conversation. Don't be so quick to dismiss people! RF
Author Ruby Slippers Posted May 1, 2009 Author Posted May 1, 2009 Dude calls this afternoon and starts trying to chit-chat. Asks what I'm up to tonight (dinner plans), then Sunday (working on music with a friend). Then he says, "OK, well, give me a call when you have some time." I told him I thought it was disrespectful to make plans for Tuesday then not call. He goes, "I know. I'm sorry. I had some stuff goin' on." He made some lame excuses that didn't even make much sense ("Sometimes I sleep weird hours" ???), and I said, "Well, it makes you seem a little flaky." Then he goes, "I can give you my full name, social security number, anything you want." Dude, I don't need your dental records -- I just want you to follow through when you make a plan. He ended it again asking me to call when I have some free time. Whatever, dude. *deletes # from phone*
MichiganMan222 Posted May 1, 2009 Posted May 1, 2009 My current girlfriend and I met and had an instant connection. We immediately set up a second date....and third...and fourth...and decided to become exclusive. We fell in love and plan on getting married. During the course of all that, we found out we are at opposite ends of the political spectrum. I'm conservative, she is liberal...VERY liberal....I worship Ronald Reagan and she thinks Obama is the next Messiah. We both agreed that we would NEVER argue politics...we joke about it all the time. We pick at each other, rib each other, etc. but we have a rule. If the conversation ever gets heated or even ever shifts into ranting, it is stopped. We set boundaries and make it fun. We are living proof that polar political opposites can make great couples. We've never come remotely close to arguing about politics.
DunnoWhat Posted May 2, 2009 Posted May 2, 2009 I had an argument with my girlfriend about Adolf Hitler. She was very stubborn with her views and illogical. I tried to reason with her logically but she wouldn't listen and then started to contradict herself. This really annoyed me. What happens now is that we avoid political subjects. She knows I won't change. Sometimes I think she doesn't say things in case I don't agree.
MN randomguy Posted May 2, 2009 Posted May 2, 2009 I had an argument with my girlfriend about Adolf Hitler. She was very stubborn with her views and illogical. I tried to reason with her logically but she wouldn't listen So, Which one of you is pro, and who is anti Hitler?
FleshNBones Posted May 2, 2009 Posted May 2, 2009 I had an argument with my girlfriend about Adolf Hitler. She was very stubborn with her views and illogical. I tried to reason with her logically but she wouldn't listen and then started to contradict herself. This really annoyed me. What happens now is that we avoid political subjects. She knows I won't change. Sometimes I think she doesn't say things in case I don't agree.I think women are a lot more interested in emotional well-being rather than abstract concepts like truth and logic. To the detriment of society, I think women often use politics as a vehicle for their emotions. I don't recommend countering her emotions with logic. She really needs to find a different outlet.
DunnoWhat Posted May 2, 2009 Posted May 2, 2009 So, Which one of you is pro, and who is anti Hitler? It's not about being pro or anti. I was stating factual information and the holocaust and telling her about how many of the 'facts' are actually false and that theres evidence by scientists that there was no gas chambers. She wouldn't even listen to me. Didn't want to hear it.
Woggle Posted May 2, 2009 Posted May 2, 2009 Nothing wrong with dating an intelligent conservative but stay away from a Michael Savage fan.
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