wuggle Posted April 25, 2009 Posted April 25, 2009 I've got a bowl of milk and a can of tuna downstairs... Tuna ?? Hello.....:p:p
Touche Posted April 25, 2009 Posted April 25, 2009 I just lump everyone under thirty into one big group Yikes, i tend to do the same thing! Oh I'll admit when I first joined LS, I was immature in my responses. I was really stubborn as well because I always saw things a certain way compared to the older generations. But I have learned alot on here, and I'm still willing to take most of the criticisms that are headed me. I guess despite all the supposed condescension you guys really reared me into a mature person. Yes, I've seen a difference, papercut. Good for you! I wonder if I'm sometimes guilty of this. I tend to visualize posters in their early 20s as I would my kids, and that may well make me come across as consenscending. I'll try to be aware of that from now on. Same here. sorry isolde but you have to pay the price just like we did. think of it as a "right of passage" Totally agree. And I loved some of you posts on here carhill. Very good. All that said, I think most of our most important growing years happen in our 30's...not in our 20's. I mean our brains aren't even fully developed until we're about 25. So I'd say, from about late 20's to mid 30's is really key for most of us. I'ts when we have most of our "ah ha" moments. It's when we "come into our own" and end up evolving into the person we will pretty much be for the rest of our lives. Not to say we don't grow and evolve beyond that period (or before) but yes, I believe the bulk of who we eventually become happens during those years.
anne1707 Posted April 25, 2009 Posted April 25, 2009 All that said, I think most of our most important growing years happen in our 30's...not in our 20's. I think there is a lot of truth in this. For me, in my twenties I thought I grew up. But in my thirties, I realised that I would never finsih growing up, that I would always be learning (and hopefully be getting wiser). However I have got to say that for the younger posters here on LS, I think most show a far higher level of maturity than many their age (and my age) but I think that is probably typical of your average LS poster. Most of us are here because we want to learn, know we need help or want to help. Unfortunately that cannot be said about everyone.
Touche Posted April 25, 2009 Posted April 25, 2009 I think there is a lot of truth in this. For me, in my twenties I thought I grew up. But in my thirties, I realised that I would never finsih growing up, that I would always be learning (and hopefully be getting wiser). However I have got to say that for the younger posters here on LS, I think most show a far higher level of maturity than many their age (and my age) but I think that is probably typical of your average LS poster. Most of us are here because we want to learn, know we need help or want to help. Unfortunately that cannot be said about everyone. Excellent post, Anne. I agree with it all. Your first paragraph was sooo true. I can apply that to myself as well. I also agree with the second paragraph. I'm actually quite impressed with some of the "twenty-somethings" on here at times. Waaaay, more mature than I was at that age.
BoredPerson Posted April 26, 2009 Posted April 26, 2009 You get to a point where being old more or less means they've had more of an opportunity to keep on doing the same things the wrong way. Doesn't make them right. I'd say that point is age 25. You can gather experience doing a particular task.. for example and age will help because you've been doing it the RIGHT way for a long time. Most old people just crap on about their pet theories and half the time they're wrong. Like the silly old cow who didn't know we still owned one of our departments. I'm like... yeah, they belong to us, my roommate works there. She is like 'no,no,no' and crapped on about some other irrelevant information that happened in 1950. Fact is stupid people are still stupid no matter what age. Listen to smart old people, not idiot old people.
BoredPerson Posted April 26, 2009 Posted April 26, 2009 Furthermore, I think old people just want to take and take. They turn all of the young girls into whores and make the men poor. All of the people that have caused this stuff are old. Not that all old people caused this. So forgive me when I am less than respectful towards the older generation. They the complacent, malicious middle class that allowed America to become a second world country. Through their own greed and willingness to victimise others. Shame on the old people !
anne1707 Posted April 26, 2009 Posted April 26, 2009 Fact is stupid people are still stupid no matter what age. Out of the mouths of babes.... I do love a bit of irony now and then
Author Isolde Posted April 26, 2009 Author Posted April 26, 2009 sorry isolde but you have to pay the price just like we did. think of it as a "right of passage" Pay the price? What does that even mean? Maybe what you are basically saying is true but that's a very negative way of putting it. Touche, interesting observation about the thirties as a key time of development. Just out of curiosity, does the fact that many people have children during this time have anything to do with that, or is it separate?
BoredPerson Posted April 26, 2009 Posted April 26, 2009 What often sets apart we old farts from the "younger set" are those lessons only gained in the furnace of life experience. In their cushy jobs they got offered in 1980... So kids, if you've got a cushy job and need advice on how to make it more cushy ask an old person !
BoredPerson Posted April 26, 2009 Posted April 26, 2009 Pay the price? What does that even mean? Maybe what you are basically saying is true What they're saying is 'pay the price we never paid'. Listen to me I am a very smart person. People are opportunistic, especially American people, especiallu old American people. Words have very little meaning when used outside of a technical perspective. You need to find the intention behind the words. 'pay the price' basically means do something that will benefit me and not you and this is my excuse, my attempt at convincing you. Metaphorically, what you do is exactly what you are told. Then once you have gotten what you want you slit your masters throat in the middle of the night and steal his stuff. That is the way of the world. Let old people talk, but never, ever listen to what they say except in a few set of situations.
Touche Posted April 26, 2009 Posted April 26, 2009 Pay the price? What does that even mean? Maybe what you are basically saying is true but that's a very negative way of putting it. Yes, well it may have been a negative way of putting it, Isolde, but the man is right. Do you like your reality sugar-coated? I wouldn't think you were one of those people. Touche, interesting observation about the thirties as a key time of development. Just out of curiosity, does the fact that many people have children during this time have anything to do with that, or is it separate? Oh, please. It's Sooo not separate. I'm very ashamed to admit that I had an abortion when I was in my 20's. I was date raped. Sucked for me, didn't it? I have such guilt, Isolde. But I wasn't ready or prepared to be a mom. I was still growing up...only in my 20's. Ugh...I hardly ever talk about this. But I guess it's the only way I can answer your question... it disgusts me that I wanted a child some day, but yet was able to abort one. But i just had to do what i had to do at the time. I was too young and immature and also too old-fashioned to think that I could raise a child on my own in my 20's. No way. I grew up without a dad. I wasn't about to subject a child of mine to that reality. So take my answer to your question how you want to. For me it was a mixture of my values, my experience, plus my maturity level that made me make the decision that I did. And even though I feel very badly when I think about my decision, I don't regret it. I ended up having a beautiful and much wanted son when I was 34 and very happily married.
Author Isolde Posted April 26, 2009 Author Posted April 26, 2009 Touche, No, of course I don't want to sugar coat reality. There is always give and take. I know that. I just don't want people to assume that I'm wallowing in ignorant youthful bliss. My mom said she was far happier in her thirties than in her twenties. I'm sorry to hear your story but thank you for sharing something so deeply personal. The important thing is you did right by you, keeping your desire for a healthy family always in mind. It makes me sad to hear the guilt is still there, from a situation where you were so brutally wronged.
carhill Posted April 26, 2009 Posted April 26, 2009 In their cushy jobs they got offered in 1980... So kids, if you've got a cushy job and need advice on how to make it more cushy ask an old person ! I wouldn't know. I've been unemployed since '86. I'm the wrong person to ask for that kind of advice
monkey00 Posted April 26, 2009 Posted April 26, 2009 I think everyone discriminates according to one's age in all walks of life, specifically if that said person is younger than him/her. I see it happening in real life all the time. Often times even in a professional working environment. Though comparing real life to the posters of LS, I think it's far easier to slide by with asking for advice or giving advice because most people here don't know how old some of the posters are. In real life, you would probably never picture going up to someone 10 years younger than you for advice. But I think in light of all of this, any and all advice - which includes a thirst for knowledge perhaps for personal growth should be taken with a grain of salt. At the end of the day it's up to us to resolve our own issues or work it out externally or internally. Even if we're just venting, a good listener often comes in handy whether it's online or offline. I agree with Isolde though, when I first came on board here I was more arrogant and less knowledgeable than I knew at the time. Hell, I'll probably look back at this post 10 years from now and will be saying the same thing again. And should these so called posters (perhaps me included) get flamed or criticized in the course of posting on these forums...just remember that youth does not imply lack of wisdom or experience, of course there are always exceptions.
OpenBook Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 I feel like for whatever reason, there's some (maybe unintentionally) condescending attitudes towards younger (under 27 or so) posters on LS. I realize that most of us haven't had a lot of experience, that some of us may be naive in certain ways, or simply not have attained the level of perspective and understanding that those in your thirties have reached. However, we're people too, with basically the same reasons for being on this site, and the same emotional needs. I see what you mean, Isolde.
voldigicam Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 One of things I like about fora is that I tend to ignore the age and gender of posters. Any outside input may be quite useful. Unfortunately much of the advise here seems quite mono-dimensional. Reflects a relatively simple set of values. Whereas relationships come in many flavors. Stuck in the written word. That causes misunderstandings as well. Regardless, I at least believe that younger people than I (which is including most people these days) have a good deal to offer. My current IRL confidant is certainly well within the right age to be my child. She offers quite astute advice sometimes, although generally it's the other way around (as we intended). Other IRL confidants and friends have taught me amazing things about relationships, sex, D/s, bondage, cycling, cooking, and all kinds of things. Unfortunately, I do run into people my age who assume anyone under say 40 has nothing to offer. Silly viewpoint!
runner Posted May 4, 2009 Posted May 4, 2009 Ok. I'm going to try to be diplomatic here, because I really like the majority of you guys and think you do your best to give sound advice. I feel like for whatever reason, there's some (maybe unintentionally) condescending attitudes towards younger (under 27 or so) posters on LS. I realize that most of us haven't had a lot of experience, that some of us may be naive in certain ways, or simply not have attained the level of perspective and understanding that those in your thirties have reached. However, we're people too, with basically the same reasons for being on this site, and the same emotional needs. So the main thing I want to get across is that sometimes when younger posters try to give advice, it isn't well taken because we're young, even though in some cases our perspectives may be just as legitimate as older people's (or even moreso, given the number of trolls who frequent the site). While it's true that at times we may lack depth or wisdom, being told we don't have it is sort of like a slap in the face--like being told the sky is blue and it's our fault, or something. Also, not as often but occasionally, younger posters are ridiculed for being immature, which is really rather unconstructive. While I don't think the early twenties are the time to be focussing on marriage, many, many people my age are capable of finding and sustaining long term relationships that do require certain levels of maturity, and there is simply so much variation in how mature people from around 22-27 are. Again, I like you guys, I really do. I just wanted to provide this perspective so you understand how younger posters (or at least, I myself) feel when we're not taken seriously. great rant reminds me of a song:
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