marlena Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 The nice guy is far more predictable, he would be all tender and careful and probably not **** her to within an inch of her life. Never has a truer word been uttered!! Link to post Share on other sites
bean1 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Who is a good man? I know plenty of self-proclaimed "good men" who are anything but. Their nasty attitude turns off any woman with an ounce of self respect. I know them in my real life and I've seen plenty of them here. They don't deserve a "good" woman and a good woman wouldn't tolerate that crap anyways. Look a little harder in the mirror. Link to post Share on other sites
You'reasian Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 I have dated nice men, men who openned doors, where polite, and other gentlmanly activities. That didn't mean they were "good men" on the inside. Most women can pick up on men that are just doing these things because they think it gets them brownie points and men that really do them because they want to. I think its best to be honest about one's intentions and preferences. I might scare away women who aren't that into me but the few that do like me are smokin' hot, can keep up intellectually and really cool - what strange luck! Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 A man can be talking about a time he's taking a $**+ and if the woman likes him' date=' she'll laugh and be amused.[/quote'] At this point I'm wondering if there are simiar consequences to a man providing a commentary on his own bowel movements, and a woman giving a detailed account of the dream she had last night (guilty of the latter at times, I have to say). The opposite sex person listening laughs indulgently, as they know they're expected to, while privately wondering how many drips of that particular topic it might take to extinguish the last flicker of romantic desire. Link to post Share on other sites
You'reasian Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 The opposite sex person listening laughs indulgently, as they know they're expected to, while privately wondering how many drips of that particular topic it might take to extinguish the last flicker of romantic desire. How many drips? It depends on how attracted she is to him. If its medicore, it could fill a glass. If the guy is especially ripped, well hung, funny, educated - you'll need a few buckets. On the other subject, I've had one of my best gf tell me about her sex dreams and somewhere in mid-discussion we got interrupted by finishing it out - guess that makes me the sensitive type Link to post Share on other sites
Taramere Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 How many drips? It depends on how attracted she is to him. If its medicore, it could fill a glass. If the guy is especially ripped, well hung, funny, educated - you'll need a few buckets. I suppose other factors play a role too. I remember reading an informal review on the Internet about a "detox" holiday in Thailand. One woman had spoken at breakfast, of expelling an old button she'd swallowed as a toddler. In that kind of environment, where everyone's too hungry to sleep (and dream) and a self inflicted enema is the highlight of the day, it would probably take several gallons of toilet anecdotes to put out the fires. many "good men" have been overlooked or traded for the "bad boys". Why is that? Same reason that a kind but reserved woman might often be overlooked for one who's got all the goods on display. It's not about good or bad. It's about who's considered to have the best mixture of coolness and sex appeal. I've met guys who had a reserved sort of temperament, but who I found sexy because they struck me as comfortable in their own skin and happy with who they were - regardless of what kind of action other men were getting. Link to post Share on other sites
Sam Spade Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Also exciting sex. The bad boy (and this can just mean an edgy haircut and a tattoo, ha) makes her think 'what would sex be like with him? What would he do? I need to find out.' The nice guy is far more predictable, he would be all tender and careful and probably not **** her to within an inch of her life. If that is true, that is the dubmest decision rule ever , but it probably it does work that way. In retrospect, it explains some comments' I've gotten in the sack by girls who've expressed surprise by some 'naughty' stuff. So, that's surprising to them just because I dress conservatively, don't talk much, and have a stodgy profession (resumably all 'nice guy' territory) ? We really need to send all women back to college to retake the 'research design' class so they could make more informed conclusions in the future . Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Also exciting sex. The bad boy (and this can just mean an edgy haircut and a tattoo, ha) makes her think 'what would sex be like with him? What would he do? I need to find out.' The nice guy is far more predictable, he would be all tender and careful and probably not **** her to within an inch of her life. This statement lets me know you've never been laid by a good guy! Link to post Share on other sites
DayDreamer75 Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 What can I tell you ? I guess we are programmed to like the men who treat us badly . Just kidding. Although I think a lot of this is true. We tend to take on ourselves the desire to believe that love can change everything for the better. Another aspect could be that in earlier phases of our lives we find that "bad" guys are more entertaining because they are more challenging. But, please, if you are a nice guy, don't change because in the end you will win ... as we, women, start getting older, we start missing our good guys and in the end we wish to develop the long-term relationships or marry the good guys who treat us with respect and who are nice to us . However, even if you are nice, never be a doormat. This is just not attractive no matter how good you are . You should still have a character and respect yourself. If you don't respect yourself, nobody will. Link to post Share on other sites
GorillaTheater Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 When I was dating my wife, I liked to mix up the "bad boy" and "nice guy" personas a bit. She married me anyways. But I don't think it's necessarily a bad approach, because as far as I can tell, few of us are 100% one or the other. Nice guys just need to get in touch with their inner motherf*cker, though I'd suggest keeping said motherf*cker on a leash. Link to post Share on other sites
Sam Spade Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 But, please, if you are a nice guy, don't change because in the end you will win ... as we, women, start getting older, we start missing our good guys and in the end we wish to develop the long-term relationships or marry the good guys who treat us with respect and who are nice to us . Yeah, but who wants sloppy seconds ? No, seriously - I don't consider myself neither a ng nor bb , but the relationship history of a woman is an important variable - it does reveal character (or lack of). (This whole ng/bb debate has some relation to real world, but the metaphors are so inappropriate that it is boud to create endless confusion. ) Link to post Share on other sites
Jersey Shortie Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Yeah, but who wants sloppy seconds ? Who wants a bitter misgonist? Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 This is a prime example of why men should consider looking at older women. Many of them are over this need to date the worst the male gender has to offer. IME, no, and I'm 50 in a couple months. Older women are just more sophisticated about their peccadillos Link to post Share on other sites
carhill Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Never has a truer word been uttered!! And proof positive that underestimating the opposite sex is not strictly a male trait Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 There's always confusion about definitions. Bad boy = narcissistic in nature. Is capable of throwing the first punch. Nice guy = doormat aka displays nothing but pretzel behaviour. Has no identity or confidence in who he is. Can't say no but will retaliate in a passive-aggressive manner. Will use poison while kissing your arse to your face. Good man = a balanced individual. Discusses and resolves. Link to post Share on other sites
The Collector Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 This statement lets me know you've never been laid by a good guy! You're not wrong. Ok, forget 'good,' bad' and 'nice.' What men need to aim for is sexy, agreed? There are lots of bad men that aren't sexy, and they don't reap any bad-boy attraction dividends. And there are lots of good guys that have a naughty look in their eyes, and that's enough. Link to post Share on other sites
Trialbyfire Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 You're not wrong. Ok, forget 'good,' bad' and 'nice.' What men need to aim for is sexy, agreed? There are lots of bad men that aren't sexy, and they don't reap any bad-boy attraction dividends. And there are lots of good guys that have a naughty look in their eyes, and that's enough. Agreed. Sexy is a good thing, as long as there's substance underneath. Link to post Share on other sites
marlena Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 And there are lots of good guys that have a naughty look in their eyes, and that's enough. Right! But how does one discern between the "good" guy with the "naughty" look and the "bad" guy with the "naughty" look? What telltale signs are there? Link to post Share on other sites
mr.dream merchant Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Usually a chick will label a cross between the good and bad guy as this, you ready?: A-hole. Link to post Share on other sites
The Collector Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Right! But how does one discern between the "good" guy with the "naughty" look and the "bad" guy with the "naughty" look? What telltale signs are there? That's why you girls have to run all your little tests. Link to post Share on other sites
Dexter Morgan Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 This is a question I've asked some of my friends at college, and none of them could give a straight answer. It is obvious that every woman wants a good man, at least that is what I thought. But I've noticed nowadays that many "good men" have been overlooked or traded for the "bad boys". Why is that? Even though good men can and are "good looking" as well, the answer to "why many good men have been overlooked or traded for the 'bad boys'. " is this.......superficial qualities are more important to the type of women that go after "bad boys". They end up go after the "adonis" or a guy they perceive as being "great in bed", then end up complaining about that type of guy once they realize what they already sort of knew already, that they are cheating dickheads. thats why I've said all along, to the good guys out there....be patient, wait it out...be VERY selective. When the time comes, if there is a way to find out, ascertain what women usually have/had a thing for the bad boys and look elsewhere. Because you don't deserve to be settled for. Link to post Share on other sites
marlena Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 That's why you girls have to run all your little tests. You got that right!! But, hey, don't you do the same, darling Collector of god knows what? Link to post Share on other sites
marlena Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Even though good men can and are "good looking" as well, Once again, you miss the point! Link to post Share on other sites
Dexter Morgan Posted April 2, 2009 Share Posted April 2, 2009 Once again, you miss the point! Nope, you just don't see it yourself. Everyone is going to have an opinion as to the answer of the question the original person posted. As I said: the answer to "why many good men have been overlooked or traded for the 'bad boys'. " is this.......superficial qualities are more important to the type of women that go after "bad boys". She asked why good guys get looked over, and my answer was because of superficial reasons. There is no "point". Only people answering the question as they see it......DUH!! Link to post Share on other sites
Author victim_of_love Posted April 2, 2009 Author Share Posted April 2, 2009 The pill you have to swallow is not that it was not meant to be. I don't mean to be mean, but look at the bolded parts - too many apologies, too much blaming yourself - women don't tend to go for this mindset, though they love it as a nice guy best friend who will listen to their problems with the bad ass dudes who don't kiss her ass or say sorry all the time. 'Victim Of Love'? Don't see yourself as a victim, and you didn't love this girl. There are no quick fixes for you I'm afraid. If you want to have more options with women you need to study what turns them on. Lol, well Victim_Of_Love is still a pretty sweet name so I think I'll keep it. But I do hear what you are saying. With all do respect to what everyone is saying, to assume sex would be better with a bad boy is not a very good assumption. I've known plenty of good men who have turned a woman out much more than a bad boy. So what I'm getting at is, to really get a woman I have to be a badass? I've been a goodie-goodie all my life and I've been in plenty of relationships; on top of that I never treated any of them like dirt. That is why I find it odd that a woman would rather stay with a man who treats them like dirt when you can have a good man who can give her twice as much. By the way, I am a "he" not a "she" Dexter. Link to post Share on other sites
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