Why do women get mad when men speak honestly

[Woggle]

There is some misogyny on this board but if you ask me it is nothing compared to the bile that women on this board and in general spew against men. Get a group of women together and they will spew the worst hate against the men in their lives but let a man on here vent about the drama he is going through and you have a bunch of women ready to jump down his throat. This board is supposed to be therapy but yet men are still supposed to bite our tongue. Just look at the divorce forum on this board and you see how many good men get utterly screwed when they do nothing but love the women in their life so are these men not supposed to be bitter? Don't they have the right to vent. Isn't it understandable if a man who has seen this crap over and over again wonders if it is even worth it trying to build a relationship with a woman? Why is it that woman can bash men until there is no tommorow but are so thin skinned when the focus is on them?

[mr.dream merchant]

Just a bunch of gender biased bull****. To be honest its the biggest let down of LS.

[Cherry Blossom 35]

Why is it that woman can bash men until there is no tommorow but are so thin skinned when the focus is on them?

 

Because maybe the women who are bashing men aren't the same ones who feel "thin-skinned" when reading through the pretty constant criticism from certain posters.

 

Honestly, when I read some of the negative things some of the men here write about women, all I can think is that they obviously aren't hanging out with the right people.

 

My friends are real people. We aren't princesses, and we don't expect men to give us the world. We want someone who we are comfortable with. Someone who will love us for who we are. Someone who we can love, too.

 

I think I know what kind of women you guys seem to be talking about. These types of women really are just a slim segment of society. Get out and meet some real women, I say.

 

 

I think a lot of guys are trying to get the prom queen to like them. They didn't attract women when they were younger, and they are on a constant quest to get those "queens" of the high school to want them. They are dating for validation, not for love and companionship.

 

There are plenty of real women out there who will be great partners. On the flip side, you guys need to bring your best game too. :p:p

[gopher]

There is some misogyny on this board but if you ask me it is nothing compared to the bile that women on this board and in general spew against men. Get a group of women together and they will spew the worst hate against the men in their lives but let a man on here vent about the drama he is going through and you have a bunch of women ready to jump down his throat. This board is supposed to be therapy but yet men are still supposed to bite our tongue. Just look at the divorce forum on this board and you see how many good men get utterly screwed when they do nothing but love the women in their life so are these men not supposed to be bitter? Don't they have the right to vent. Isn't it understandable if a man who has seen this crap over and over again wonders if it is even worth it trying to build a relationship with a woman? Why is it that woman can bash men until there is no tommorow but are so thin skinned when the focus is on them?

 

Truth, I don't think women realize that they are not the topic when groups of guys get together in real life. Even my female friends complain about how much manbashing there is when women get together.

[Cherry Blossom 35]

The only time you will see my friends and I "man-bashing" is when a PARTICULAR man treated one of us poorly. And that man will be bashed, based on his behavior. Will all men be bashed? Certainly not.

[mr.dream merchant]

Because maybe the women who are bashing men aren't the same ones who feel "thin-skinned" when reading through the pretty constant criticism from certain posters.

 

Honestly, when I read some of the negative things some of the men here write about women, all I can think is that they obviously aren't hanging out with the right people.

 

My friends are real people. We aren't princesses, and we don't expect men to give us the world. We want someone who we are comfortable with. Someone who will love us for who we are. Someone who we can love, too.

 

I think I know what kind of women you guys seem to be talking about. These types of women really are just a slim segment of society. Get out and meet some real women, I say.

 

 

I think a lot of guys are trying to get the prom queen to like them. They didn't attract women when they were younger, and they are on a constant quest to get those "queens" of the high school to want them. They are dating for validation, not for love and companionship.

 

There are plenty of real women out there who will be great partners. On the flip side, you guys need to bring your best game too. :p:p

 

This is also true. At the end of the day any kind of negative criticism and bashing is just text on your monitor. These people really don't know you. I think yesterday I had a poster attacking me in my own thread calling me a virgin and telling me to get out and meet real people. TBH, I just laughed. All you can do is look at it as a pathetic attempt to make you as miserable as they are. The internet is a wonderful place. With no inhibitions, some people turn into pricks.

[moman]

Consider me a prick for what I'm going to say:

 

Many women say one thing and do another.

 

I have four friends that remind me of the SexNTCity show. They sleep around, run all the nice guys off by finding some nitpicky flaw, lust after the ones who treat them like garbage and use them for sex, and complain and cry about never finding a nice guy.

 

There are plenty of posts on here from women who found out a guy is cheating but 'wants to make it work', say they sleep around a lot and bash the guys who call them sluts, and other similar antics.

[mr.dream merchant]

Consider me a prick for what I'm going to say:

 

Many women say one thing and do another.

 

I have four friends that remind me of the SexNTCity show. They sleep around, run all the nice guys off by finding some nitpicky flaw, lust after the ones who treat them like garbage and use them for sex, and complain and cry about never finding a nice guy.

 

There are plenty of posts on here from women who found out a guy is cheating but 'wants to make it work', say they sleep around a lot and bash the guys who call them sluts, and other similar antics.

 

I can honestly say that I feel there is such thing as a slut. I know its a derogatory term but to me they exist. But what I don't consider one is a woman who enjoys sex thoroughly or who has a strong sense of sexuality.

[Sam Spade]

The answer to all this drama is 1) to care but 2) not fall in love too much, 3) be tolerant, but 4) only to a point where rock-solid boundaries are reached, at which point lady in question is let go.

Much of the suffering on these forums I see that the guys you describe continually bend their boundaries in hopes of making it work with their woman. While this is admirable (and I've tried to do the same in the past), it is just not worth it (for anybody - man or a woman).

[clv0116]

Men tend to be fact oriented and don't sugar coat things. When we interact with other men it's mostly all good since we have the same input and output filters installed. The impedance matches so to speak. When we try to cross the gender barrier with that outlook, all hell breaks loose.

 

For instance, if I say "For me, a woman much over 30 is only really good for sex" most men see that I'm expressing a personal preference. Women often hear "If you're over 30 no man will have you past a one night stand, you're crap".

 

He says "I don't like cellulite". Men hear "Cottage cheese ass is yucky looking, I'd rather my gal tried to minimize that", women hear "If your skin doesn't look like Barbie, you're a fatass and men will vomit when you show your legs".

[Lucky_One]

I don't see that LS is slanted more to male-bashing than woman-bashing. I see it as being pretty equal.

 

I just try to ignore the posters of either sex who are illogical, biased, or silly in their generalizations. Not easy to do all the time, as I have buttons that can be pushed, but I try.

[Sam Spade]

"What women want" is on TBS.

Ultra corny movie (duh, ), but essentially makes the same points:

1) If women just eally spoke their mind, with all the true underlying vulnerability and their real concerns, men would treat them so much better.

2) If you're a guy, you can do no right (including if you speak your mind)

 

Instead, what I and every single male i've interacted with (online and off) are women gettin pissed at us for not beign mind readers. (And even if we were, it would still be a full time job:))

[monkey00]

Women are all about emotions and hormones which make them illogical.

 

Just like the classical example:

 

"Baby, do you think this outfit makes me look fat?"

 

- "uh, no not at all, you look just as good as the first day I met you!"

A smart guy would answer like this.

 

- "uh..baby I think you need to lose some weight."

A guy that's waiting for an argument to start.

 

I guess it's just the way woman are programmed. Some/most of them still expect chivalry from a guy and to be swept off their feet. Hence fairy tale mode. And as someone else said, it's all about sugar coating the truth.

 

I also know a lot of times it's about spoiling a woman. The initial stages of dating a girl and getting into a relationship with her does pave the way for the future with her. Whether you shower her with gifts, and how well you treat her - often she will have those expectations of you (or not at all depending).

 

So I think it's crucial to how you treat woman from the get-go before you enter a relationship.

[Trialbyfire]

I've embraced my inner princess. It's high time you guys acknowledged the inner princess in you!

[mr.dream merchant]

As long as I get to embrace my inner king.

[D-Lish]

When my gf's and I get together we talk about sex.

We talk about shoes sometimes as well. Dudes too!l- but rarely bashing! We usually talk about who is hot or some crazy new sex move.

 

My male friends? When we go out- they like to talk about their gf's or potential gf's and what the "eff" might be going on in their head.

 

A few weeks ago I showed a 35 year old "oral virgin" where the clit is located via an illustration on a napkin. Then- I demonstrated pressure and technique by making him trace out a vagina on my hand.

 

YES, I've known him for years, and he is with a girl that loves oral and he feels inept. He was... because he'd never done it before. He's all good now.

 

If a guy has really done me wrong- and I am not seeing it... my gf's will usually support me and tell me to forget about the "ass-hole".

That's no different than what guys will do.

 

Life for women isn't sex in the city.

 

And remember- when the topic of men comes up, there is as much MAN loving as there is MAN complaining.

[Jersey Shortie]

I don't see the venom, at least in this forum, that is spewed towards women spewed towards men. I think there is much more critism of women personally.

 

 

Women are all about emotions and hormones which make them illogical.

 

I'm sorry but this statement is complete bull-honky. Men are not more logical when it comes to women and relationships. And men certainly run on their own hormone drives that have nothing to do with logic. To claim that it's only women and their emotions and not recongnize the part men play, is incorrect. Men don't have a better more logical grib on women, relationships or even themselves. Anymore then women do. Some of it is emotional on both sides. And some of it is logical on both sides. To insinuate men are always logical and never driven by hormones and that women are just these simple headed nit wits that don't have an once of logic is insulting to women and men.

[lino]

Just a bunch of gender biased bull****. To be honest its the biggest let down of LS.

 

i agree mate. The quality of this dating forum is much less now than it was almost 2 years ago when i first joined.

Most of the discussions now are just men v women, gets quite boring

[tkgirl]

There is some misogyny on this board but if you ask me it is nothing compared to the bile that women on this board and in general spew against men. Get a group of women together and they will spew the worst hate against the men in their lives but let a man on here vent about the drama he is going through and you have a bunch of women ready to jump down his throat. This board is supposed to be therapy but yet men are still supposed to bite our tongue. Just look at the divorce forum on this board and you see how many good men get utterly screwed when they do nothing but love the women in their life so are these men not supposed to be bitter? Don't they have the right to vent. Isn't it understandable if a man who has seen this crap over and over again wonders if it is even worth it trying to build a relationship with a woman? Why is it that woman can bash men until there is no tommorow but are so thin skinned when the focus is on them?

 

please don't lump all of us "women" on here as men-bashers. I love men... sometimes too much and that's part of MY problem... anyways, and I'm pretty sure I have never said one negative thing about any man on here.. pretty sure!

[CommitmentPhobe]

For instance, if I say "For me, a woman much over 30 is only really good for sex" most men see that I'm expressing a personal preference. Women often hear "If you're over 30 no man will have you past a one night stand, you're crap".

 

You don't usually state it as a preference. I've seen you imply that women over 30 are over the hill then try to back it up with statistics ffs!

 

Someone's honest opinion might not be anything to do with the truth. An honest opinion that's unjustifiable does not become justifiable just because it's honest!

[SincereOnlineGuy]

There is some misogyny on this board but if you ask me it is nothing compared to the bile that women on this board and in general spew against men. Get a group of women together and they will spew the worst hate against the men in their lives but let a man on here vent about the drama he is going through and you have a bunch of women ready to jump down his throat. This board is supposed to be therapy but yet men are still supposed to bite our tongue. Just look at the divorce forum on this board and you see how many good men get utterly screwed when they do nothing but love the women in their life so are these men not supposed to be bitter? Don't they have the right to vent. Isn't it understandable if a man who has seen this crap over and over again wonders if it is even worth it trying to build a relationship with a woman? Why is it that woman can bash men until there is no tommorow but are so thin skinned when the focus is on them?

 

 

First of all, there is no reason to "look at the divorce forum on this board" unless divorce pertains directly to your life.

 

Doing just that assures that you are a 'Danny downer'... and it's the downer and the women-hating in you that inspires just the responses about which you complain the most.

[clv0116]

You don't usually state it as a preference. I've seen you imply that women over 30 are over the hill then try to back it up with statistics

 

I've stated a woman over 30 is too old for me to start a relationship with and backed it up with fertility and other reproductive stats. I've also said it's easier for a man over 40 to get married to a younger woman than vice versa. Neither of those are really logically disputable, but some people still try.

 

Also neither is an attack, just facts and opinion.

[Sam Spade]

When my gf's and I get together we talk about sex.

We talk about shoes sometimes as well. Dudes too!l- but rarely bashing! We usually talk about who is hot or some crazy new sex move.

 

My male friends? When we go out- they like to talk about their gf's or potential gf's and what the "eff" might be going on in their head.

 

A few weeks ago I showed a 35 year old "oral virgin" where the clit is located via an illustration on a napkin. Then- I demonstrated pressure and technique by making him trace out a vagina on my hand.

 

YES, I've known him for years, and he is with a girl that loves oral and he feels inept. He was... because he'd never done it before. He's all good now.

 

If a guy has really done me wrong- and I am not seeing it... my gf's will usually support me and tell me to forget about the "ass-hole".

That's no different than what guys will do.

 

Life for women isn't sex in the city.

 

And remember- when the topic of men comes up, there is as much MAN loving as there is MAN complaining.

 

I need some more instruction, just to be safe. Where do I sign up ?

[CommitmentPhobe]

I've stated a woman over 30 is too old for me to start a relationship with and backed it up with fertility and other reproductive stats. I've also said it's easier for a man over 40 to get married to a younger woman than vice versa. Neither of those are really logically disputable, but some people still try.

 

Also neither is an attack, just facts and opinion.

 

No this is what you said

 

http://www.loveshack.org/forums/showpost.php?p=2081520&postcount=172

 

The few that are left are their age (mid 30s) and want a family. A 35 year old woman is a tough sell to a single man who wants marriage and kids.

 

It's not personal, it's simple math and the fact that an ample supply of marriageable women under 30 exists seals the deal for me and many other men.

When you express your opinion about over 30 women (as you REGULARLY do) , it's pretty clear that a) you think you have your pulse on the finger of single men, and b) what you say is backed up by something that is statistical.

 

Neither a) or b) is true, and no matter how many times you state this isn't a personal attack on women over 30, quite simply it is.

[Woggle]

I'm not saying that all women are like this but it seems that the women who trash men are the same ones who get offended whenever a man says something they don't like or is venting after getting his heart cut up. In that other thread I was actually praising older women which is something many men on here don't do and a few people still attacked me. We make it a point to warn women about abusers, cheaters and various other men that any woman with a brain should avoid so what is so wrong with warning men about what they should avoid?