Jersey Shortie Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 Man, that girl would get ripped apart here for saying that.
doushenka Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 Well then, Mister Ugly Duckling, what will it take to make you a swan? Get fit. Get a friendly female to take you shopping -- we know what suits men! Brush up your social skills. If you have, say, acne issues, there's treatment for that. If your hair looks wrong, go to a stylist (not a barber) and get it fixed. Concentrate on what you can change and don't dwell on what you can't. Especially if plastic surgery's not an option. And the secret that makes men most attractive? Learn to enjoy your singleness. A secure man who's got interests and plans will get a lot more attention than some schlub who's wallowing in his misery. Go get 'em, tiger!
doushenka Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 What ? I am sure they go through the same thing. No one should have to be with someone unattractive. That is like saying a woman should have to be with someone she does not want to be with. They call that rape. Show some empathy please. Very typically female to not care about other people. I'm certain you won't get any dates if you bash the gender you desire and compare dating an unattractive one to being sexually assaulted. Long walk, short pier, etc.
Els Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 Man, that girl would get ripped apart here for saying that. Indeed. We can advise him all we like on how to brush up on his style, appearance, confidence, etc, just as that hypothetical girl could be told to start saving up for a college degree. But in the end, the utter shallowness and hypocrisy and immaturity would still remain, for both of them.
Author BoredPerson Posted March 30, 2009 Author Posted March 30, 2009 I see you conveniently skipped my post. No matter. Just to put things in perspective for you, if a girl posted this OP, what would you and others reply? 'I hate life sometimes. Dropping out of high school and being a waitress in McDs sucks. I'll never meet all those lawyers and doctors and CEOs. The only men I can get are other waiters who are so uneducated I wouldn't WANT to be their gf! This sucks. I don't even need one who earns trillions a year, just a couple of millions. Hate @ working as a waitress.' Do you see the logic now? I don't think there have been many times when I have seen less logic in a single post. Not to put you down. I am sure you are an intelligent and logical person, but that post was not.
Author BoredPerson Posted March 30, 2009 Author Posted March 30, 2009 I'm certain you won't get any dates if you bash the gender you desire and compare dating an unattractive one to being sexually assaulted. Long walk, short pier, etc. When they're both forced there are elements of similarity. These women here, trying to pressure me into dating an unattractive woman. You can rape a woman without touching her if you put her under pressure it is considered rape. Similar, but not the same. Similar in ways that are not related to brutality.
Els Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 I don't think there have been many times when I have seen less logic in a single post. Not to put you down. I am sure you are an intelligent and logical person, but that post was not. It doesn't do you much credit to say that a post is illogical and yet not explain what is so illogical about it. It is the perfect analogy to your OP, in my humble opinion. In fact, I was even so kind as to scroll back to your OP, copy and paste, and replace 'attractive' with 'educated' and 'unattractive' with 'high school dropout waitress'. Perhaps you might want to explain the discrepancies that you think exist. Think about it. There must be a reason why quite a few posters have agreed with me so far. No, noone is pressuring you to date a woman whom you're not attracted to. We're saying that the very yardstick you use for determining attraction and date-worthiness is self-defeating and hypocritical, and we think you should consider that.
Author BoredPerson Posted March 30, 2009 Author Posted March 30, 2009 It doesn't do you much credit to say that a post is illogical and yet not explain what is so illogical about it. It is the perfect analogy to your OP, in my humble opinion. In fact, I was even so kind as to scroll back to your OP, copy and paste, and replace 'attractive' with 'educated' and 'unattractive' with 'high school dropout waitress'. Perhaps you might want to explain the discrepancies that you think exist. Think about it. There must be a reason why quite a few posters have agreed with me so far. No, noone is pressuring you to date a woman whom you're not attracted to. We're saying that the very yardstick you use for determining attraction and date-worthiness is self-defeating and hypocritical, and we think you should consider that. Its because you hate men, because you secretly want to be a man. I never said I just want an attractive woman to root. I said I want a girlfriend. I said I find women charming I just happen to think that being attracted to the person is important. If I wasn't so damned ugly my personality, wit, charm, ambition and dedication would have won me a damned good woman. But I am a fugly person and that is the way life goes. I crawl and scrape my way up the ladder and I am constantly improving my standing in life. I have achieved one goal now I have another in mind. I want to become a Project Manager. I've seen what they do and I've worked with them and that is what I want to do. That will take time. But for the moment I have a permentantly broken heart. You want to assume that I am the bad guy. Well I am not, I just not some man hating wimp. I'm proud to be male and I'm proud of the fact that I want to root and control girls because that is the way god made me and your man hating anecdotes won't make me hate myself for simply being what I am. You can either help me to do the right thing or you can continue reflecting onto me what it is you hate about men because they won't play into your little fantasy where you are the princess. I have accepted love is a sloppy, sticky bitter affair and the raw nature of it can be brutal. I want to root girls first and foremost but there is more to it than that and as any man I crave affection from a woman. Not a raving feminist man hating, man want to be or a woman I don't find at all attractive. All I really ever wanted was one girl, who was attractive, and a good person, so I can get away from this horrible little world where all the harpies run around trying to rip the hearts out of men.
Els Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 It's amazing how you can post something so long without having even a sentence qualify as an answer. What was so illogical about my analogy? You really need to start gathering your wits together a little before you accuse others of not having logic and reason. Which part of my posts had anything to do with hating men? I said YOU are shallow and immature. Not all men. The fact that you assume that all men are like you is just an insult to other men. Yes, all men would LIKE pretty girls, who wouldn't? I'd like Mr. Universe too, and a huge mansion and thirty cars. But the difference is that mature men do not just divide girls into 'attractive: I want' and 'unattractive: out of the question'. Which part of my posts had anything to do with wanting to be a man? Damn, you make me laugh. 'If I wasn't so damned ugly my personality, wit, charm, ambition and dedication would have won me a damned good woman. But I am a fugly person and that is the way life goes.' Then what about that good, witty, charming, ambitious, dedicated woman who is looking for a good man, but, like you, not so attractive? No, you lumped her under 'noone-wants-to-****' category. Just like YOU are, in that world of 'levels' and 'leagues' that YOU conceive to be The Real World Of Relationships. It's not about SETTLING. It's about realizing that if you want others to see more in you than an ugly face, you need to start doing the same with others. And I believe there IS a lot more to you than that... it's just that this post brought out all the shallowness and immaturity in you.
doushenka Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 When they're both forced there are elements of similarity. Try being raped sometime. I mean for real. Then come back and tell me it's just like having to date someone you don't particularly like. Rape rips its victims' lives apart. They blame themselves; they get blamed for wearing the wrong thing; if they conceive as a result, they have to deal with those consequences... I cannot see ONE FREAKING SIMILARITY between this thread and rape. You've just trivialised one of the most traumatic possible events in a person's life. I wouldn't date you if you were Brad sodding Pitt with that sort of attitude.
fishtaco Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 I wouldn't date you if you were Brad sodding Pitt with that sort of attitude. That sentence says it all. BoredPerson - you are unattractive because of your attitude. Lucky for you, it's possible to change your attitude - if you want to. So to be attractive or not, it's your choice.
Timmers Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 I have learned that people like being around positive, friendly people. Would you wanna be around someone that made you feel like crap and had negative things to say all the time? Smile more. Be positive. And don't just stare at people for long periods of time, that IS a freak-like thing to do. Glance once or twice instead!
EllieBean Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 I never said I just want an attractive woman to root. I said I want a girlfriend. ... I'm proud to be male and I'm proud of the fact that I want to root and control girls because that is the way god made me and your man hating anecdotes won't make me hate myself for simply being what I am. ... I want to root girls first and foremost but there is more to it than that and as any man I crave affection from a woman. Could you contradict yourself any more within a single post? And if you want to "root and control girls" then I'm sorry, but you simply don't deserve a girlfriend with that sort of attitude.
era Posted March 30, 2009 Posted March 30, 2009 You keep saying that you are unattractive and ugly. Why don't you share with us precisely what physical flaws you perceive you have. There's a remedy for just about anything...trust me.
mental_traveller Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 Would you consider dating an ugly girl? If so, then you'll have plenty of women you can get. If not - well, you are complaining about a trait that you yourself display, which would be kinda hypocritical. Which is it?
mental_traveller Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 Well then, Mister Ugly Duckling, what will it take to make you a swan? Get fit. Get a friendly female to take you shopping -- we know what suits men! Brush up your social skills. If you have, say, acne issues, there's treatment for that. If your hair looks wrong, go to a stylist (not a barber) and get it fixed. Concentrate on what you can change and don't dwell on what you can't. Especially if plastic surgery's not an option. And the secret that makes men most attractive? Learn to enjoy your singleness. A secure man who's got interests and plans will get a lot more attention than some schlub who's wallowing in his misery. Go get 'em, tiger! Good advice. There are good-looking smart guys who are still virgins in their 20s. And there are ugly average guys who get a girlfriend, or many of them! By definition, half of all women are below average looks. But they still have boobs, ass, they are just as likely to be smoking hot in the bedroom - you don't have sex with a woman's face, after all (unless you watch too many pornos lol). A nice personality is also hot. I've dated mostly attractive women but have had some fun times with women who were below average looks, overweight, older etc as well. I am sure women have had the same experience. Just aim for someone you think it's realistic to get it on with, and enjoy. Stop being so hung up on looks.
xpaperxcutx Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 All I can find are adjectives: fugly, unattractive, etc. and yet you, Boredperson, didn't even bother to emphasize what exactly made you such. You can't expect any of us to supportive if all you can do is come on here and start complaining about women not giving you the time of day when you refuse to work on yourself to better your traits and quality. Even your personality reeks of chauvinism. Like all the posters mentioned, you can either waste your life in front of a computer complaining about your life, or you can actually do something to improve it.
sb129 Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 Attractive women generally require less intelligence to get ahead so the two of you are probably on about the same level anyway. The same applies to attractive men but it is a bigger impact for women as more stock in placed on looks. This is quite contradictory to the next quote from you: I never said I wanted them only for their looks. I said they were nice people. They're also very charming. I don't discriminate against women and assume they're unintelligent or shallow just because they're pretty. . Oh really? See above. It would suggest otherwise. I'm proud to be male and I'm proud of the fact that I want to root and control girls because that is the way god made me and your man hating anecdotes won't make me hate myself for simply being what I am. ... I want to root girls first and foremost but there is more to it than that and as any man I crave affection from a woman. Well, ugly is as ugly does, and if THATS your attitude, it probably shows externally. No wonder you aren't getting any.
Author BoredPerson Posted March 31, 2009 Author Posted March 31, 2009 Try being raped sometime. I mean for real. Then come back and tell me it's just like having to date someone you don't particularly like. Rape rips its victims' lives apart. They blame themselves; they get blamed for wearing the wrong thing; if they conceive as a result, they have to deal with those consequences... I cannot see ONE FREAKING SIMILARITY between this thread and rape. You've just trivialised one of the most traumatic possible events in a person's life. I wouldn't date you if you were Brad sodding Pitt with that sort of attitude. Women talk about rape too much. Like men are supposed to care. Rape is the most over dramatised crime that there is and I am so utterly sick of hearing feminists talk about it. You know what it does ? It detracts from the seriousness of the crime, when the crime is infact violent and serious. People think (myself included) of some situations that do not demonstrate the seriousness of the crime. You get drunk and end up having rough drunk sex that you didn't want ? Well you shouldn't have led him on. You get attacked in a park by a knive weilding rapist. Different story, victim of crime. But the amount and the way women talk about it makes it into a complete joke that no one really takes seriously apart from feminist groups. 1/4 of women are raped ect, bla, bla, bla out of the feminist hooting about the crime of rape. Yes, it is traumatic for the woman but the who bloody world doesn't need to here about it constantly. You know what else is traumatic ? Getting stabbed in stomach. Talk about that instead of rape.
Author BoredPerson Posted March 31, 2009 Author Posted March 31, 2009 . This is quite contradictory to the next quote from you: Oh really? See above. It would suggest otherwise. Well, ugly is as ugly does, and if THATS your attitude, it probably shows externally. No wonder you aren't getting any. Attractive women require less intelligence to get ahead in life. People also assume that they're not intelligent because of their looks. They're two seperate things. Even if the manager assumed she was less intelligent he may still promote her based on looks because he is not making a fair and partial judgement in the first place so the perception of her intelligence need not matter. What is more, most careers do not require a high level on intelligence but rather a staple level of intelligence and interpersonal skills take over from there.
D-Lish Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 All I really ever wanted was one girl, who was attractive, and a good person, so I can get away from this horrible little world where all the harpies run around trying to rip the hearts out of men. You're right, it's not going to happen for you. I've read the entire thread- and if you are for real.... you're not going to land a reasonably attractive woman, let alone any woman. I don't know what you look like- but your ugliness is internal- I am betting women steer clear of you because you emanate bitterness and anger.
MindoverMatter Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 People think (myself included) of some situations that do not demonstrate the seriousness of the crime. You get drunk and end up having rough drunk sex that you didn't want ? Well you shouldn't have led him on. A no is a no. And if you ever want to put your dingdong where the music comes from, you better learn this fast. Or else you might end up in prison-land, where people will put their dingdongs into a different kind of jukebox.
D-Lish Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 A no is a no. And if you ever want to put your dingdong where the music comes from, you better learn this fast. Or else you might end up in prison-land, where people will put their dingdongs into a different kind of jukebox. Then he can be someone's girlfriend- not exactly what he was aiming for- but close enough.
MindoverMatter Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 And there's a happy ending. For womankind.
wonderifshelikesme Posted March 31, 2009 Posted March 31, 2009 My tip is...don't use the word harpies! Chicks don't dig "harpies". Just get on with ya bad self. Girls are freaks and they pick up on all the subconcious bull**** you got going on somehow. Without a word they tell much about you. Do you take care of yourself? Like people said, it does make a difference to work out and get in shape. Man, at first you get fast gains and makes a big difference too. If you want to lose weight, just eat less calories than you take in everyday, and overtime it will happen. Before I felt confident with myself, I faked it. It worked...people treated me differently and before long, actual real confidence developed. I suppose I'm fairly attractive and I dated many girls my senior year of college, but I ended up falling in love and just getting my heart absolutely broken. For the longest time--my confidence was hit and I just didn't try because I felt repelled from relationships as you mentioned. I gained probably 10 pounds over time, just wasn't trying, depressed....and I didn't hardly get a second look. That was obviously a big change from meeting girls all the time...but things didn't start to get better until I got my confidence back. Also, don't look at them like they are some prize. They have just as many issues and are nothing more special than you--they are human after all too. Just keep at it...
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