PPD the road block?

[phineas]

My Wife & I had had some problems for a while.

The start of most of it was me & my addiciton to World of Warcraft.

I've seen that now & am trying to be a better husband.

 

we have two problems right now.

Lack of comunication is the main one.

she can't seem to tell me what's on her mind unless she is pissed & yelling at me.

 

Otherwise she drops hints & hopes I get it.

I don't.

I'm not a mind reader & trying to guess at what she is hinting at lately has just resulted in me getting it wrong.

 

telling her this just makes the argument worse.

 

that leads to the second problem.

She has been depressed since we had our last baby.

She has mood swings.

She will snap at me for no reason then turn around & talk to me like everything is ok.

 

she will want me to hold her / kiss/ her ect. then the next day she doesn't want me to touch her & tells me she doesn't want to be groped.

 

She breaks down & just crys randomly.

 

She lost a lot of weight, got a new hair-do & started wearing closthes that better showed off her figure.

This coupled with her not wanting me to touch her & me finding out she was talking to a man she said she had no contact with made me think she was having an affair.

 

That really pissed her off & she felt insulted I would think that.

She's angry that she feels I can't trust her then in the same sentence admits to her EA & lieing to me for a yr so she could spend time with another man. HUH?

 

I just didn't know she felt so depressed because she never said anything.

 

last night my 2 1/2 yr old told her to "go away" when we started raising our voices.

She broke down in tears & spent 2 hrs packing things to leave & when I asked her to stop she lashed out and tried to be hurtful.

 

I say tried, because I knew she was doing it to try & goad me into kicking her out because she can't bring herself to leave & was hoping i'd make the decision for her.

She stayed & made up numerous excuses why.

I accepted them without question.

 

she can't argue any more she says.

We argued because she lied to me about a past EA & lied to me about not being in contact with the man.

 

I know for fact he isn't a concern.

The concern is her lieing to me & our last argument started when I told her we need to stop aruing because it's affecting our son to the point where he doesn't want to come home after being at my parents or sisters house because "Daddy yells" & "Mommy yells".

Also because of her hot / cold tendencies & refusal to seek professional help.

 

I was at a loss & decided to call her father. he's not one of my greatest fans but he is at least in my corner on this & she will listen to him.

He did tell me he knows she was depressed & knew she wasn't thinking clearly, he just didn't know how bad it had gotten because he hasn't talked to her for a few days.

 

He also told me she does want us to work. She wants a family. She wants me. She just doesn't know if we can work it out & doesn't know how to start.

 

honestly we know what the problems are between us & we believe thier fixable.

we know it will take time.

We just don't know what to do & I think maybe a councelor can help

 

Bottom line I got her father to convince her to go to counceling with me & to talk to a professional about her depression.

 

I don't understand depression or how it can affect somebody.

 

I guess what i'm asking is, can her depression be one of the major reasons why she acts as erratically as she has lately?

[blind_otter]

PPD is a very serious issue - it can get really bad and in some cases can lead to mom harming herself or baby. It is hard to deal with a new baby, and coupled with hormonal issues this can wreak havoc on a new mom - on top of that there are certain expectations of a new mother, and when she suffers from PPD it can interfere with her being able to meet those expectations, causing her to feel guilty and ashamed, further hiding the problem or trying to get past it when what she really needs is serious treatment and help.

 

I think that there are probably other issues in your marriage, beyond PPD - and they are being exacerbated by the PPD. So, while her getting treatment will probably alleviate some of the stress, I think that once she gets more emotionally stable BOTH of you should probably get some mediation or help to deal with the other longstanding and deeper issues.

[whichwayisup]

I don't understand depression or how it can affect somebody.

 

Start googling depression and learn all you can about PPD. Also, check out depressionfallout, it's got alot of helpful info on there too..

 

She is depressed and yes, it does affect her frame of mind, the way she processes things in her head. She's in a negative state most of the time and reacting (or shall I say over reacting) as well.. The friendship with the OM is symptom of what's going on inside of her, it isnt' about you - She's broken inside and she is choosing the OM to make her feel better. Right or wrong, she can't see that (yet) and the damage it's doing and done to your relationship and marriage.

 

I hope she gets a full physical and also seeks counselling. Good for you to talk to her father, hopefully he'll guide her into going and getting help.

[phineas]

I know what the major issues were.

 

WOW

Not landscaping the yard ( we havn't had a lawn since the kitchen addition was put on a few yrs ago)

Not putting in a Fence

Not finishing up some trim work in the house.

 

also her & I working opposite shifts made things difficult as we only had a few days a week to our selves & that usually involved the kids.

 

so she started going out after work & I immersed myself into the game.

 

both of us hit a point where we figured if the other didn't care about the house why should we care.

Reguardless of how it started (I don't know really)

 

it just kept propagating between us until it boiled over.

 

I don't like the idea of her being on meds & neither does she but I don't know if there is a choice.

 

She has said she's afraid of becoming a zombie & not being able to care for the kids.

She would never harm the baby or herself.

she has no animosity towards the baby.

she just says she doesn't feel the same connection to him as with our first son & it makes her sad mostly because he almost didn't survive.

[phineas]

Start googling depression and learn all you can about PPD. Also, check out depressionfallout, it's got alot of helpful info on there too..

 

She is depressed and yes, it does affect her frame of mind, the way she processes things in her head. She's in a negative state most of the time and reacting (or shall I say over reacting) as well.. The friendship with the OM is symptom of what's going on inside of her, it isnt' about you - She's broken inside and she is choosing the OM to make her feel better. Right or wrong, she can't see that (yet) and the damage it's doing and done to your relationship and marriage.

 

I hope she gets a full physical and also seeks counselling. Good for you to talk to her father, hopefully he'll guide her into going and getting help.

 

I did some reading.

 

Loss of appetite

Insomnia

Intense irritability and anger

Overwhelming fatigue

Loss of interest in sex

Lack of joy in life

Feelings of shame, guilt or inadequacy

Severe mood swings

Difficulty bonding with the baby

 

Fits her to a "T".

The last few days have been sheer hell.

 

The way she acts towards me sometimes is very scary.

The mean hurtful things she says to try & get a rise out of me are shocking.

I don't bite though.

I shut my mouth & roll with the punches.

She eventually runs out of steam & starts crying.

 

I don't think she even remembers most of the things she says because later on she askes me "what is the matter." "why do you have that look on your face" "are you mad at me"

 

It's like living with two different people.

 

The MC is in a few weeks.

They are not cheap.

But, she needs to see somebody reguardless.

[phineas]

We've gone to the MC.

The first session was basically things we had both figured out in the last few weeks.

 

He made it clear that we both need to start acting like a married couple.

 

This is where I draw a blank.

She went to MC & sgreed to go to the next session.

 

But she says she doesn't know what she wants or what she's going to do.

 

When I ask if she wants to work on the marriage or if she is planning to move out all she tells me is she doesn't have any plans & that she said she would give us time.

 

I've told her what the MC said.

I'm willing to work on it, but my efforts are wasted if she isn't.

 

Right now for the last 3 weeks i've kinda been doing the 180 thing.

She hasn't asked for divorce, seperation, or moved out & still wants to spend time with me & the kids as a family but..

 

I leave her alone & do my own thing unless she asks me to spend time with her.

 

If the kids are involved i'm there 100%.

If it's just her I let her know it depends if it's something i'm interested in doing other wise I find something else I'd rather do.

 

I'm trying to show her by actions that she is important, but she has to give me a reason to want to spend time with her because she is not the most important thing.

 

And honestly right now a wife that sleeps in a different bed that can't tell me what she wants marriage wise is not my top priority.

My kids are.

 

I've been loosing weight, working out, & finishing up the projects on the house.

 

I figure if she does leave at least i'll be in shape & feel good about myself & still be able to attract the opposite sex.

 

Is that the wrong attitude for someone wanting to fix their marriage?

 

I guess what i'm saying is last month I thought my life would be over if she did leave.

 

Now I don't think that so much because I feel like we are dating again & i'm not interested in dating someone unless they show me their interested?

 

does that make sense?

[imagine]

I don't know the cause.

 

Obviously stop with WOW and give her 25 hours quality time, then 15 hours when everything becomes normal.

 

She may need to spend time with some one who has lost a child and share time.

 

Again, a no contact note approved by you must be mailed to the OM. No further contact forever.

 

Try to figure out HER Emotional Needs. Meet them. Share your needs too.

[Untouchable_Fire]

Is that the wrong attitude for someone wanting to fix their marriage?

I guess what i'm saying is last month I thought my life would be over if she did leave.

Now I don't think that so much because I feel like we are dating again & i'm not interested in dating someone unless they show me their interested?

does that make sense?

 

Look, your doing this wrong!

 

Don't sit around waiting for her to take all of the initiative. YOU plan a date night. YOU make an effort to say positive things to her. YOU ask to spend time with her. YOU step up and do stuff she is interested in... not just crap you want to do.

 

Do you think you can be a good Dad, and not treat the mother of your child like she is something special? Your wife and your child are one in the same... You should make both of them your priority.

 

If she leaves... then fine, things change, but for right now... she is still choosing you... and you need to show her why that choice is a good idea.

[phineas]

Ok.

I hear what you are saying.

I need to hear it because I truly am stupid.

 

I guess this is my problem.

i've turned into a lump not taking her anywhere & I guess the fact i've finally realized that & now expecting her to forgive has pissed her off.

 

Hence the MC.

 

I see now all I can do is try to show her the man she married is still here.

It may be too late.

 

My parents have agreed to watch the kids Sat. night. They don't really know how bad it is between us, or maybe they do, everyone else has seen it.

 

She enjoys Indian food so when she calls from work tonight i'll ask her if she would like to go.

 

Thank you.

 

I'm ready to do anything within reason to show her I am her future.

[Woggle]

You are doing the right thing. Nothing youj do right now will be good enough so when she wants to stop blaming you for everything she can make the move. Don't kill yourself trying to please an unpleasable woman which is what she is at this point.

[phineas]

You are doing the right thing. Nothing youj do right now will be good enough so when she wants to stop blaming you for everything she can make the move. Don't kill yourself trying to please an unpleasable woman which is what she is at this point.

 

I think i'm beginning to understand this.

 

I was not planing to go overboard on anything.

No expensive dinner, or anything like that.

Just us & some food & drink.

What we did when dating.

What we stopped doing after our first son was born.

[Untouchable_Fire]

I think i'm beginning to understand this.

I was not planing to go overboard on anything.

No expensive dinner, or anything like that.

Just us & some food & drink.

What we did when dating.

What we stopped doing after our first son was born.

 

There is going to be some good advice and some bad advice. It's your job to tell the difference.

 

Right now your wife is all alone, drowning in a sea of depression, and you... the only boat in sight has been full speed ahead in the other direction. Your so far away she can't even see you... and can't believe your coming back to help. If you don't change course and start coming back, the other boats won't just drive on by forever... the next one that throws down a life preserver is going to be the one she sails away on. So if I were you I would start moving in her direction with all the passion and fury you possess. If your motor is broken... bust out your oars and row for everything your worth!

 

So, don't JUST take her to dinner. Read her a poem, Tell her how much you love her, how much you appreciate her! Offer her a massage when you get home, No strings attached.

 

If she throws up some walls like Woggle believes she will, YOU need to find a way to tear them down. Remember, she has been waiting a while for you to step up, and because it hasn't happened in so long... she has an emotional wall up against you, It keeps her from feeling the hurt of being ignored for some silly online quest.

 

You have a ton of work ahead. I've had no less than 2 friends try to save their marriages after a warcraft addiction. One worked, one didn't. The one that didn't tried to play Mr Cool, and would not work hard to show he loved her. In the end it's your family, take the route you think would be best.

[lostsunsets]

THIS IS NOT DEPRESSION, THIS IS GUILT FROM HAVING SEX WITH ANOTHER MAN. My wife suffered from severe depression. When you are really depressed, you sleep, you sleep a lot. If she has lost weight and is fixing herself up. Denying you sex. My friend, I think your gut was right. She is having an affair. That is why she is angry with everyone. If she was depressed she wouldn't care about things. This is not depression its anger and shame. You had better keep investigating. She is weighted with guilt. Look up what depressions symptoms are.

[phineas]

There is going to be some good advice and some bad advice. It's your job to tell the difference.

 

Right now your wife is all alone, drowning in a sea of depression, and you... the only boat in sight has been full speed ahead in the other direction. Your so far away she can't even see you... and can't believe your coming back to help. If you don't change course and start coming back, the other boats won't just drive on by forever... the next one that throws down a life preserver is going to be the one she sails away on. So if I were you I would start moving in her direction with all the passion and fury you possess. If your motor is broken... bust out your oars and row for everything your worth!

 

So, don't JUST take her to dinner. Read her a poem, Tell her how much you love her, how much you appreciate her! Offer her a massage when you get home, No strings attached.

 

If she throws up some walls like Woggle believes she will, YOU need to find a way to tear them down. Remember, she has been waiting a while for you to step up, and because it hasn't happened in so long... she has an emotional wall up against you, It keeps her from feeling the hurt of being ignored for some silly online quest.

 

You have a ton of work ahead. I've had no less than 2 friends try to save their marriages after a warcraft addiction. One worked, one didn't. The one that didn't tried to play Mr Cool, and would not work hard to show he loved her. In the end it's your family, take the route you think would be best.

 

Warcraft isn't a problem anymore.

And thank you for the advice.

My thought process is not what it should be right now so I need all the help I can get.

[phineas]

THIS IS NOT DEPRESSION, THIS IS GUILT FROM HAVING SEX WITH ANOTHER MAN. My wife suffered from severe depression. When you are really depressed, you sleep, you sleep a lot. If she has lost weight and is fixing herself up. Denying you sex. My friend, I think your gut was right. She is having an affair. That is why she is angry with everyone. If she was depressed she wouldn't care about things. This is not depression its anger and shame. You had better keep investigating. She is weighted with guilt. Look up what depressions symptoms are.

 

She does sleep more than she used to.

She is loosing weight because she is not eating.

 

But yeah, she very well could be having an affair again.

Except, she is home most nights after work.

Not a lot of time really.

Yes I know people find the time, but if this was the case, why is she still here?

 

She makes enough money for her own two bedroom apartment for her & the kids.

Her Father's house is big enough for her & the kids so she can stay there free then come & go as she pleases.

 

She has a car loan & a cell phone bill.

Neither payment is overly large.

That's it.

 

We have no joint finances.

She can just move out when she wants to.

She also spends her fair share on the house & the things we need for it.

She also has her tax return.

That's a security deposit & then some.

 

No, I think if she had someone making her happy she'd allready be gone.

 

She wouldn't be going to MC & she wouldn't want me to spend time with her.

 

Of course I could be wrong.

 

I'll go nutters if I keep this train of thought though.

[whichwayisup]

Have you checked her cell to see if she's atleast in contact with the OM?

 

Anyway, she needs to deal with her depression and get that under control before MC can really work and progress. Still go, but make sure SHE gets the right treatment, both in meds and talk therapy. Check out depressionfallout, it's got helpful info there..

[Woggle]

There is going to be some good advice and some bad advice. It's your job to tell the difference.

 

Right now your wife is all alone, drowning in a sea of depression, and you... the only boat in sight has been full speed ahead in the other direction. Your so far away she can't even see you... and can't believe your coming back to help. If you don't change course and start coming back, the other boats won't just drive on by forever... the next one that throws down a life preserver is going to be the one she sails away on. So if I were you I would start moving in her direction with all the passion and fury you possess. If your motor is broken... bust out your oars and row for everything your worth!

 

So, don't JUST take her to dinner. Read her a poem, Tell her how much you love her, how much you appreciate her! Offer her a massage when you get home, No strings attached.

 

If she throws up some walls like Woggle believes she will, YOU need to find a way to tear them down. Remember, she has been waiting a while for you to step up, and because it hasn't happened in so long... she has an emotional wall up against you, It keeps her from feeling the hurt of being ignored for some silly online quest.

 

You have a ton of work ahead. I've had no less than 2 friends try to save their marriages after a warcraft addiction. One worked, one didn't. The one that didn't tried to play Mr Cool, and would not work hard to show he loved her. In the end it's your family, take the route you think would be best.

 

And after this he is still the bad guy in her mind. I just have no tolerance or patience for women like this.

[phineas]

And after this he is still the bad guy in her mind. I just have no tolerance or patience for women like this.

 

You are correct on this.

 

She is very adversarial now.

 

One problem is her brother who she is extremely close with lives across the country & is dealing with a bad breakup of his own with his live-in GF.

 

The parrallels to how his GF acted & how my wife acted in our marriage are freakishly scary.

 

So on a daily basis she has to tell her brother this woman isn't worth his time all the while knowing she behaved the same way.

 

I've talked to her brother & I feel like were reading from the same script.

 

It has added to the stress her job is causing her.

 

So for now were going to keep going to MC.

For now, i'm willing to be the whipping boy for a little bit.

Refusing to argue with her & just showing her how much I do care.

[lostsunsets]

Phineas. All those points you mentioned are MATERIAL things. We are talking EMOTIONAL issues. She doesn't leave because, she wants both. She stays because she wants to keep her family. She has sex with the other man, because she enjoys it. Do you think that these two thing are mutually exclusive? They're not. ITS CALLED EATING CAKE. And its what wayward spouses like best. They get both things. She has already admitted an EA. Also you said she sleeps more, but in your previous post you said she had insomnia? I think that you my friend are in denial.

 

You should have encouraged her to leave. Why? Because it would have brought her to crisis. She would have left and in a day or two. She would have called you begging to take her back. She may even have confessed to an affair. But instead of that she is still stuck in this hell. I believe she is looking to you to help her out of it. But since you refuse to look at the possibility of an affair, you can't offer that help.

 

Have you checked her cell phone. Do you have her e-mail passwords? Have put a keylogger on her computer? You have done very little to find out why she is going through what she is going through. But its your marriage.

[sotired]

I've struggled with depression before...And while I know not everyone's experience is the same. Getting fixed up with a new hairdo and hooking up with other men isn't exactly a textbook description.

 

She may have PPD, but she's using it to excuse her behavior. It seems like she is doing everything possible to push you away. But why would she leave? She's getting the best of both worlds and no one is calling her on it.

 

You aren't going to get anywhere with your marriage until she starts being honest and communicating with you instead of just flying off the handle.

[Untouchable_Fire]

And after this he is still the bad guy in her mind. I just have no tolerance or patience for women like this.

 

In general... if your a dick for 2 years... it takes 1 year of work for her to get over it.

 

It's not one of those where you just snap your fingers and it's fixed. You have to change... then make her believe in you.

 

It's Phin's family. I think he will work his tail off... and if things continue to go south, at least some day he can look his child in the eye and say "I gave it my best".

[phineas]

Phineas. All those points you mentioned are MATERIAL things. We are talking EMOTIONAL issues. She doesn't leave because, she wants both. She stays because she wants to keep her family. She has sex with the other man, because she enjoys it. Do you think that these two thing are mutually exclusive? They're not. ITS CALLED EATING CAKE. And its what wayward spouses like best. They get both things. She has already admitted an EA. Also you said she sleeps more, but in your previous post you said she had insomnia? I think that you my friend are in denial.

 

You should have encouraged her to leave. Why? Because it would have brought her to crisis. She would have left and in a day or two. She would have called you begging to take her back. She may even have confessed to an affair. But instead of that she is still stuck in this hell. I believe she is looking to you to help her out of it. But since you refuse to look at the possibility of an affair, you can't offer that help.

 

Have you checked her cell phone. Do you have her e-mail passwords? Have put a keylogger on her computer? You have done very little to find out why she is going through what she is going through. But its your marriage.

 

It's irrelevant now.

I found movies of her fingering herself & licking her her fingers in the tub & bathroom sent to this "friend"

I found other explicit nude pictures sent to this "friend"

On the day of our MC even.

 

I called her at work & of course she denied at first. (hello I told her I saw the pictures & vidoes of her fingering her pussy to this man) Gee, must of been a lucky guess on my part. no way I could of actually found them.

She "admitted" she did it.

She swears it's just an online thing & hadn't seen this man & never met with him in person since she broke it off. But she'd been thinking of him the last 2 yrs & it's been a road block in our marriage.

 

The one she claimed she'd been trying to fix those yrs to everyone.

 

I had enough I called her at work. (not the smartest thing as she may get fired)

 

I also resent the movie & pictures to this man & told him if he contacts my wife again his GF will find out.

 

I know where he lives.

Still at home with his parents.

He will be out of the picture or his whole family will find out.

I will make his life the living hell he's made mine.

Oh yeah my wife did that also then blames me.

He's a young buff stud telling my wife all she wants to hear.

 

I know now no matter what I did or said it wouldn't of been good enough because she was comparing him to me & I just didn't measure up to her fantasy.

 

I've told my wife she will send this man a text message in front of me telling him they are done & I will watch it being sent.

 

If she cannot do that then I guess I have my answer.

She knows she can never have him & will be alone if she leaves.

 

He is younger than her & we all know men in this situation do not want to raise another mans kids or do more than screw their wives as a notch on their belt.

 

My wife just isn't that hot. Not anymore to me at least.

Yeah, I saw those pictures & movies & every flaw In her body from having two kids that I overlooked because I loved her stood out.

 

 

She claimed she tried for the last 2 yrs but she only had him on her mind so how could she really say that?

 

And i'm realizing now I wasn't as bad as a husband as I said earlier. I was repeating her words.

 

She probably did **** him too.

Who knows.

She'll never tell me the truth.

I'll never find out.

I don't think she did. But i'm probably in denial.

It doesn't matter to me anymore.

 

I don't even know if I want this anymore.

Why am I even holding on?

 

She cries I don't trust her & want to know where she is going & who she is with all the time.

Has she lost her mind?

 

Hello!

 

She can't see this man is a big POS. He has a GF yet does this with a married woman & she still thinks of him as a friend?

 

I am perfectly ready to have her out of my life except for contact with kids.

But i won't see my kids every day now.

I love her & think there can be a marriage her but not if she doesn't want to try.

 

And it doesn't look like she does.

 

She said she didn't think I was serious about trying to fix it.

I did try.

I paid $80 for her to lie to a marriage councelor trying to help us fix our marriage & set up an apointment to do it again.

 

I've told her it's up to her if we go again or not, but if we do she is paying for her half because i'm not going to waste my money anymore.

 

She hates the arguing.

We argued because I suspected things with her & another man & she kept denying & I kept finding more.

There is always more.

Everyone on here said so.

That was the source of the arguments.

every one.

 

She won't accept that her affair is the reason why we are not able to fix the marriage.

 

I should of followed through with kicking her out last month when I told her him or me.

That was my mistake.

 

She calls me a dictator because I want proof she told this man for the sake of her marriage she can't have any more contact with him.

 

She said she did it.

I told her I have to see it with my own eyes or it didn't happen & if she cant do that then she goes.

 

No point really.

 

From what I can tell, there was maybe a few months total where she claim I was the problem.

And it was after our first child.

I wasn't ready for a kid & freaked a little & withdrew.

I never ignored my son I just didn't connect.

 

After she met him I doubt there was a damn thing I could of done.

All the time I tried & all that time she was telling me she loved me & thinking of someone else.

 

"I love you but i'm not in love with you" means what I thoguht it did.

There was someone else.

 

I don't know if she's staying the night here or not.

I don't know if I should kick her out or not.

I called the MC to arrange for an apointment this week insted of next week & told him why we need a sooner seesion.

 

If this man is out of her life there might be a chance if I can even live with her.

 

I took the vows of marriage seriously.

She has convinced herself that an EA & sending porno of herself to another man isn't cheating because she claims she never did anything with him psyical.

[lostsunsets]

Dude your brother saw them in the car together twice. WTF, If you don't kick her out, there goes another enabling moment, where you tell her you won't stand for it and then let her do it again. THIS IS NOT WORKING. She does not believe you mean it when you give her boundaries. The only way to save your marriage, is to file for divorce (protects you financially) and have her served. Then reality sets in. This guy will dump her if she is on her own. SO MAKE HER BE ON HER OWN.

 

You need to be Mr. confident. Not Mr. needy. You need to show her you can move on without her. That will create an emotional vacuum. It will draw her back in. But if you want to continue sending her mixed signals and enabling her. Oh well, maybe it will work this time (not).

[imagine]

You don't trust her. Will she take a polygraph?

[phineas]

The problem with my brother seeing her in a car is he called me & asked if that was me he just passed.

I said no & he said he just saw my wife in her car being driven by another man that wasn't me.

 

I called my wife at work on her office phone & she picked up.

Considering where my brother claimed he saw her, she could not possibly have gotten to work in that short of a time.

 

Now for the second time, unless she managed to leave work a few hrs into her shift for at least 2 hrs (it takes 45 mins. one-way to get from work to home) without punching out (she printed up her time sheets) i honestly don't think it could of been her.

 

She works with 3 of my friends. I hadn't thought to ask them because I figure they would tell me if they thought something was up.

 

I will.

 

She drives a silver ford focus. a common car.

 

but again this is all irrelevant she is at her fathers house & will be moving her furniture out this week.

 

I am actually just dandy with this.

She was quite broken up.

but it's for the best right now.

We are still going to MC.

If she doesn't show it will be IC.

 

She needs to get IC herself & she has some hurdles to overcome before I consider letting her back into my life.

 

 

I will so far get my kids every other night which is fine with me right now.

 

Polygraph - It seems a little extreme but may be necessary considering my family is extremely pissed at the situation & she is just not welcome there anymore.