SpanksTheMonkey Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 So are you saying that men are looking for the type of girl who wants to settle down but there just art any more left?
boxing123 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 I think so.. Men usually do what their choices allow. If they are allowed 3 different FWB's perhaps they are not going to pursue as much. Why work "really hard" for one, when you can have many easily? Also, as I stated on other threads, women boast about being "independent". This does not mesh well with a serious relationship. Also, if you are a male and DO pursue, you are seen as "desperate". It hardly ever works. Women really don't want to hear about how interested you are in them. It seems they rather have a chase.
SpanksTheMonkey Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 I'll listen boxing sweety care to tell me if your interested I didn't know you cared? lol JK.. No but I do see your point to a degree Ive seen the desperate thing here in LS 1st hand lately. Allot of guys would ask a girl who's been continually showing interest to just be their gf but then the women respond and say no you will come off as desperate creepy extc. Seams like head games to me Ina way we say we want stable caring men in long lasting relationships but then we make them jump tho so many hoops its hardly worth it..
fral945 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 And do you think men put in as much effort, or even want to anymore, to have a relationship? I think men will put an effort if they see something that is worth pursuing. I think your perspective is skewed. If you look at the past, you could probably say men did more courting and pursuit at the initial stages. But they also did less work once in the relationship. If anything, I think modern men are willing, and do more, inside the actual relationship once it is established than in the past. The way I see it, there is more of a balance in the effort. Maybe less from the men initially but more after the relationship is established. So it's a tradeoff. Guys? Do you not put the effort in anymore ? Or do you only put in the effort when it's for easy sex? Are women this worthless to men now-a-days? I am sadly beginning to think that is the case. I just don't see guys pursuing women in public or asking women out. Easy sex doesn’t require much effort. I don't know what world you live in, but guys are still pursuing and asking out women. I will say, though, that with feminism, gender equality, and sexual liberation, men no longer (and should not) have to do all the groundwork. Both sides should be making an effort.
SpanksTheMonkey Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 I think men will put an effort if they see something that is worth pursuing. I think your perspective is skewed. If you look at the past, you could probably say men did more courting and pursuit at the initial stages. But they also did less work once in the relationship. If anything, I think modern men are willing, and do more, inside the actual relationship once it is established than in the past. The way I see it, there is more of a balance in the effort. Maybe less from the men initially but more after the relationship is established. So it's a tradeoff. Easy sex doesn’t require much effort. I don't know what world you live in, but guys are still pursuing and asking out women. I will say, though, that with feminism, gender equality, and sexual liberation, men no longer (and should not) have to do all the groundwork. Both sides should be making an effort. Woo that brings up a good question sorry op I don't mean to go off topic here but if I women asks a guy out how do men see that now a days?
fral945 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Woo that brings up a good question sorry op I don't mean to go off topic here but if I women asks a guy out how do men see that now a days? I don't see it as a problem. If I found her attractive I would accept. I've done it before.
carhill Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 As a date? Depends on the context. Is she single, in a LTR, married? It could be any, or a combination
tanbark813 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 I know what you mean though Tan. Welcome back BTW, hows your ladyfriend?. She's great, thanks. We're just under a month away from our 1 year anniversary.
zhsoj Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Mmm... I've just done the constant pursuit with little or no reciprocity for two months. I've been a fool and I won't be making that mistake again. I could be totally wrong, I'll likely never know, but I can't believe that I did too little. I don't think the majority of men just want sex. All people want companionship in some form. I personally don't approach women in public as I've always gotten the go-away-stalker/creep look from them. And no I don't blame them, I'm no Prince Charming. The only favorable response I've ever had from approaching a woman randomly in public was from a lesbian that was there with her partner. She said I was "cute" before they both literally ran away. While hilarious it wasn't exactly encouraging. Online dating may be a long shot, but it has worked out better for me than real life. Ignoring my message online is a lot better than getting an accusatory stare in places where I have to shop regularly.
sxyNYCcpl Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Also for the internet, porn. I think more men probably just take the easy outlet instead of putting in the effort it takes to engage a real women and risk the rejection. Porn is great because it's all about what men want and need and lets face it, real women don't live up to it. <SNIP> Or do you only put in the effort when it's for easy sex? Are women this worthless to men now-a-days? I am sadly beginning to think that is the case. I just don't see guys pursuing women in public or asking women out. <SNIP> Guys just seem so tuned out to wanting to put the effort in and not having the expectations that I am only there to provide him with sex. This has been a fascinating thread, and I think a lot of solid points have been made. I have neither the time nor the bandwidth to address them all, but I do have some thoughts I'd like to add. I read an article last year by a semi-famous feminist type (whose name unfortunately I simply don't remember) that was somewhat on point to your original post on this thread. Her complaint boiled down to this: In "the good old days" it used to be good enough for a woman to simply show up naked. Now, because standards have changed, that is no longer good enough. Men expect things such as grooming below the waist. Women who actually enjoy being sexual, as opposed to just putting up with it. They desire women who not just "allow" them to watch porn, but who will watch it with them and get off on it as much as they do. Why have men come to the point that they "expect" these types of things? Because they are actually readily available! Why would I want to have a relationship with a woman who is sex-negative when finding one who isn't is fairly easy thing to do? Simply put, I wouldn't. How does this apply to your premise in your original post? Well, it's a bit complex but nonetheless I think it's germane. Obviously, I only know you through your posts here, but you come off as extremely bitter, and extremely anti-sex. Your rants about porn, about how men can't possibly truly be into their partner if watching other people excites them, indeed even your original comments here that "real women can't live up to it" and "I am only there to provide him sex" provide ample evidence of what appears to be a very negative opinion. However, the chances are slim that any given person you interact with in the real world has ever read what you have to say here, and even under the remote chance they have, it's a virtual certainty that they won't connect the real you to JS from LS. So your negativity here cannot possibly be responsible for any issues you are having meeting or interacting with men in the real world. The underlying cause of your bitterness, though, just might. You have said more times than I can count that "real" women "can't live up" to porn. Despite my repeated efforts, you have never really defined exactly what you meant, but I can only assume that means, at least in part, that there are certain sexual activities you believe are common in porn that you are unable and/or unwilling to replicate in your real life. The problem is you are facing competition from women who are ready, willing, and able to do many of the things you are not, and with genuine enthusiasm. When you combine your tendency to be quite sex-negative with your overall poor opinion towards men in general, I would guess you tend to give out a vibe that men find off putting resulting in them not having a desire to get to know you, and the ones that don't notice that or for whatever reason get past the introductory phase are eventually completely spooked by your attitudes towards sexuality. I know if I were to find myself in a relationship with someone and learned that they shared your views I'd run so hard and so fast that I'd leave a smoke trail. Your hypothesis that women "can't live up" to that which men see in porn is simply untrue, as I know plenty who not only live up to it, but enjoy every minute of it. Healthy, lasting relationships are about much more than sex, to be sure, but it's rare that they exist without it. Based solely on my opinion of you based on your various posts here, it seems to me you're the type of woman who, were I to be in a relationship and married to you, within not too short a time I'd find myself posting on a board such as this about my sexless marriage. I suspect men in your real life may come to that conclusion as well, and if I'm right about that, it almost certainly would explain some of your issues. What do you think most guys would find to be preferable? "OH MY GOD, I can't believe you are looking at that, how gross, how disgusting, it must mean you don't love me!" (Screamed by a woman who hasn't "put out" (though I hate that term) in months.) OR "Honey, you should see the new porno I bought today, we'll pop it in after we put the kids to sleep. <wink>" (Whispered by a woman who has sex daily.)
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 I agree with this, but I have to say that this cannot be all put at women's feet. The fact is that if you want to hold off sex, if you want to actually get to know the guy a little first, then you WILL be seen as odd and most men won't pursue it any further. We've had several men on this forum state that they wouldn't. I've had sex many times before I thought it was wise to do so, just because I felt like that was expected at that point of the RL. It is what men expect these days. Uh... in what world is this true? The only guys who walk away if you don't sleep with them... are the ones that just want sex. Honestly, sometimes I just don't understand where women get info about men. STOP WATCHING SOAP OPERAS! Or wherever your getting this crappy advice.
Trialbyfire Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 JS, negative thought breeds negative thought. If you put out a positive vibe, as long as you don't look like quasimodo, you're going to draw men. The balance is knowing what you're looking for, understanding what kind of guy is compatible with you and being patient enough to wait for him to come your way. When he does come your way, don't hesitate. Go get him in the age old way that women do or if you're more aggressive, just go get him. Unless you're being unrealistic, in that you want a man who lives a healthy lifestyle but personally gorge on McHappy meals everyday and smokes like a chimney (which isn't you but works as an extreme example of unrealistic), you'll find the right man for you. Even if you're being unrealistic, sooner or later, as a matter of numbers, the possibility of finding the right person for you is there, albeit a much lower possibility. Also, trust your instincts. If something doesn't feel right about the guy and you can't put your finger on it, stop, look and listen. Most, if not all the time, you'll find your instincts are dead on. That trust in yourself will give you confidence in your people picker.
Chicago_Guy Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 I agree with this, but I have to say that this cannot be all put at women's feet. The fact is that if you want to hold off sex, if you want to actually get to know the guy a little first, then you WILL be seen as odd and most men won't pursue it any further. We've had several men on this forum state that they wouldn't. I've had sex many times before I thought it was wise to do so, just because I felt like that was expected at that point of the RL. It is what men expect these days. I don't think you have to have sex with the guy right away and in many cases that would actually kill the chances of any long term relationship anyway. You just need to let the guy know that you do like him and aren't seeing other guys. A lot of women date multiple guys, but no guy wants to spend a lot of time and effort dating a woman who is taking it slow only to later find out that she's been sleeping with some other guy the entire time.
sb129 Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 I also object to whoever said that women don't cook. I cook! I am pretty darned good in the kitchen. My husband is better, but we have different strengths so we eat a wide variety and we eat very well. I make my own bread quite often, I never use pre-prepared sauces or packet meals, I bake cakes and cookies from scratch and even make jam, preserve fruit and make soups from scratch. My husband can even make his own cheese. Most of this I learned from my grandmother, who was made to leave school at 15 to help out on her parents farm and look after her younger siblings. Her escape from that life was marriage to the first guy that came along, 3 kids of her own and running her own household. Her one great dream in life was to have a proper, paid job (or train as a teacher) but it simply was not the done thing in her family and there was no money for education. There was too much to do around the farm/ house for her to work anywhere else. She always always encouraged me to grab every opportunity I had that she didn't have. She thinks its great that I can support myself financially but am also happily married to someone of my choosing.
blondesmiler Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Too many people now only "talk" online via the internet whether its just social or dating....this also with the fact that alot of people are too scared when out too talk or approach someone else probably because of knife/gum crime or being spat at or shouted at, that everyone and their groups tend to stick together. When our Mums and Dads were younger, they would go to group functions, have family and friend house parties which envolved the whole street n then some, their would be street parties etc etc.........so people generally mingled more. Internet also makes choice too easy for some and they are always thinking but what if the next one is better than this, instead of thinking the person infront of them is great.
Sam Spade Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 What do you even mean by "more effort"??? Beyond a certain set of baseline commonsensical good manners, what kind of effort are we talking about? It is a gross misconception that men somehow "pursued" women in the past. The only thing that's different is that things were a bit more formulaic and predictable due to women being in the more passive role. if anything, it was less effort and less complication necessary to find a partner. You ask a girl to dance, you take her on 9 dates, you meet her mom, then you kiss amidst a rose garden, you pull out the ring outta your pocket - and voila, married, and very little effort involved. My grandpa got married this way, so that's how I know:rolleyes:. So, men have not changed, the amount of crap they're expected to deal with has increased, but thankfully, some are not giving in . As for our fathers - i seriously doubt they did anything right - the baby boomers are probably the most spoiled and classless generation ever (with the obvious exception of the handful of representatives here on LS, of course!).
Surfer Dude Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Feminist bullsh*t. 80% of divorces are initiated by women. And how do you have the audacity to say tha women are worthless to men? The most widespread disease of this day and age is idiots that put women on pedestal and treat them like delicate flowers who need to be nurtured and cared for, instead of their equals in relationships. The amount of whipped "nice guys" is bigger than ever, and many of these chumps were so destroyed by constant rejections, they simply don't want to approach anymore. You say you can't meet a normal guy? How about lowering your standards and leaving your house? In every bar or club, majority of men would want to be with any half decent looking woman inside. If it's easy for anyone to get a relationship, it's easy for women. Just don't expect a freaking Brad Pitt clone who makes millions, and I guarantee that you could find a guy who is good relationship material.
Trialbyfire Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Feminist bullsh*t. 80% of divorces are initiated by women. And how do you have the audacity to say tha women are worthless to men? The most widespread disease of this day and age is idiots that put women on pedestal and treat them like delicate flowers who need to be nurtured and cared for, instead of their equals in relationships. The amount of whipped "nice guys" is bigger than ever, and many of these chumps were so destroyed by constant rejections, they simply don't want to approach anymore. You say you can't meet a normal guy? How about lowering your standards and leaving your house? In every bar or club, majority of men would want to be with any half decent looking woman inside. If it's easy for anyone to get a relationship, it's easy for women. Just don't expect a freaking Brad Pitt clone who makes millions, and I guarantee that you could find a guy who is good relationship material. You're such a victim... Back up your...assertations...with hard facts, especially about women initiating 80% of divorces.
sxyNYCcpl Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Just don't expect a freaking Brad Pitt clone who makes millions, and I guarantee that you could find a guy who is good relationship material. Actually, JS is looking for something much rarer than that. She is looking for a man who doesn't look at porn.
burning 4 revenge Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Feminist bullsh*t. 80% of divorces are initiated by women. And how do you have the audacity to say tha women are worthless to men? The most widespread disease of this day and age is idiots that put women on pedestal and treat them like delicate flowers who need to be nurtured and cared for, instead of their equals in relationships. The amount of whipped "nice guys" is bigger than ever, and many of these chumps were so destroyed by constant rejections, they simply don't want to approach anymore. You say you can't meet a normal guy? How about lowering your standards and leaving your house? In every bar or club, majority of men would want to be with any half decent looking woman inside. If it's easy for anyone to get a relationship, it's easy for women. Just don't expect a freaking Brad Pitt clone who makes millions, and I guarantee that you could find a guy who is good relationship material. yes, they sit around getting fat on dove bars and they epect brad pitt on a white horse
Jersey Shortie Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I think both genders are equally susceptible to "high expectation syndrome". Men seem to want a pornstar wife who cooks and cleans without complaints, while women want a prince charming, or Mr Right, or whatever. Porn is to men what Disney fairy tale romances is to women. [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I don’t agree with you on this. I think if you really wanted to make an equal comparison you could say that Disney fairy tales to women are to action adventure to men. I don’t know one woman that suggests or wants a guy to dress up like prince charming and take her on a pumpkin ride or who masturbates to Disney. Or even wants her man to act so contrived. I do know lots of men that want their partner to dress up or “less dress” as a porn star and act like one. And women will do this probably more times then men do the reverse. [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Kamille- [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I highly doubt you go around angry Jersey Shortie. You're way too articulate for that. And I definitely think TBF has a point when she says you might simply not be noticing some of the men who are trying to catch your attention. I do wonder if maybe you're a bit reticent when you approach men. My mood varies, as I imagine everyone's does, and I know that on days when I feel energetic and playful, men respond much better to me then on days when I feel insecure. All that to say... I wonder if all you need is some flirting boot camp? I know TBF has been really helpful on this subject a few years ago when I was struggling[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Thank you for the nice words Kamille. I am a little reticent (good word by the way) and I know I am guarded. I guess I feel that men are too often as well. And the ones that aren’t, are so, because they are obnoxious. I don’t really get hit on by the guys I would like to be hit on by…that is when I do get hit on. Not because they don’t make enough money or are bad looking but because they just aren’t compatible with me and I often wonder why they hit on me to begin with. And why the guys I would be interested in, don't. My standards are not unrealstic and I have been attracted to all types.[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Lizzie-[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Methink you come across has being very negative towards the men.. therefore a huge turn-off.. you won't attract them if you are bitter and angry at the male population. [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I am only bitter and angry to the male population on the inside! [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]CherryBlossom[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Jersey[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana], I went years without a serious relationship. Don't let that get you down. It doesn't mean all guys are jerks. It just isn't your time yet. It will be, though, someday[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Well with all this talk about how much women suck as they age I might not have until someday. I don’t think men are jerks I just don’t think they try as much as they once did and expect so much for doing so very little. They just need some improvement. [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Chicago[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] Guy[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I am professionally successful and I think I am good looking. However, I still can be kind of shy when I am around women whom I like but don't know in a public place (e.g., at a gym or possibly at a grocery store). A woman can make things a whole lot easier for the guy by simply giving the guy sustained eye contact and possibly also smiling (although I think that a lot of women get too nervous to smile while making extended eye contact).[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Fair enough Chicago Guy. There are guys I have wanted to smile at but guys don’t always smile at me either and it is equally intimidating. Even if I am attracted to him and want to give him a sign, if he seems unapproachable, I won’t smile at him. [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Grammatically and factually, one more and it's a genuine hat trick. [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I had hat tricks ALL over this board. I don’t care what you think about my grammer, spelling or punctuation. Anyone here can see that I am fairly intelligent. If you don't like it, don't read it. I love women in general and several in particular. I ask women out, take them on fun dates, bring flowers when they don't expect it and in I am in general just, as one girl recently described it, enchanting. In person. Here not so much, I let some tact slip here in the interests if being honest. The fact is that in person what you say is not nearly so important as how you say it, and that doesn't translate here. If we met in person, you'd like me and I'd be charming to you. [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I am not looking for a man that wants to devide his time between me and three other ladies. also, you only like women for what they can provide for you, not what you can provide for them. Since you have clear regulations on what you deem is acceptable on the woman front that you don’t hold in your own court. [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]Someone mentioned it before but in most cases you'll find that alot of females today really aren't worth that pursuit.[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]There are also a lot of men that aren’t worth it. [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] Women these days spends so much time getting ****faced at parties and clubs and knocking boots with guys they don't even know that it just makes you uninterested. They seem like they have commitment issues.[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]That’s exactly how I feel about a lot of men.[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT][FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] The whole point is, show guys that you're worth it, and if they're not dumb as rocks, they'll take the bait.[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana] [/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][sIZE=3]So what you are saying is most guys are possibly dumb as rocks? [/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][sIZE=3] [/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][sIZE=3] [/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Times New Roman][sIZE=3] [/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]I think so.. Men usually do what their choices allow. If they are allowed 3 different FWB's perhaps they are not going to pursue as much. Why work "really hard" for one, when you can have many easily?[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana][/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT] [FONT=Verdana][sIZE=2][COLOR=black][COLOR=black][FONT=Verdana]COP OUT. A man is incharge of his own actions. And to even HINT that a women is at fault for what he chooses to do is ridiculous. Just don't expect a freaking Brad Pitt clone who makes millions, and I guarantee that you could find a guy who is good relationship material. I don't even think Brad Pitt is attractive.[/FONT][/COLOR][/COLOR][/sIZE][/FONT]
Woggle Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Even when they have Brad Pitt on a white horse they are unhappy with him and cheat on him with some married guy they feel an amazing connection with.
The Collector Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 You're such a victim... Back up your...assertations...with hard facts, especially about women initiating 80% of divorces. http://health.discovery.com/centers/loverelationships/articles/divorce.html Divorce Myth 10: It is usually men who initiate divorce proceedings. Fact: Two-thirds of all divorces are initiated by women. One recent study found that many of the reasons for this have to do with the nature of our divorce laws. For example, in most states women have a good chance of receiving custody of their children. Because women more strongly want to keep their children with them, in states where there is a presumption of shared custody with the husband the percentage of women who initiate divorces is much lower. Also, the higher rate of women initiators is probably due to the fact that men are more likely to be "badly behaved." Husbands, for example, are more likely than wives to have problems with drinking, drug abuse, and infidelity. Not sure about that last line, I believe women cheat as much as men. I believe men are less likely to divorcebecause they can't be bothered, wheras women often get married for the security during the child-rearing years, then divorce when it's time to party again. Of course there is the widespread belief that divorce isn't as bad for children as a bad marriage, but Divorce Myth 3: Divorce may cause problems for many of the children who are affected by it, but by and large these problems are not long lasting and the children recover relatively quickly. Fact: Divorce increases the risk of interpersonal problems in children. There is evidence, both from small qualitative studies and from large-scale, long-term empirical studies, that many of these problems are long lasting. In fact, they may even become worse in adulthood. Divorce Myth 6: When parents don't get along, children are better off if their parents divorce than if they stay together. Fact: A recent large-scale, long-term study suggests otherwise. While it found that parents' marital unhappiness and discord have a broad negative impact on virtually every dimension of their children's well-being, so does the fact of going through a divorce. In examining the negative impacts on children more closely, the study discovered that it was only the children in very high-conflict homes who benefited from the conflict removal that divorce may bring. In lower-conflict marriages that end in divorce — and the study found that perhaps as many as two thirds of the divorces were of this type — the situation of the children was made much worse following a divorce. Based on the findings of this study, therefore, except in the minority of high-conflict marriages it is better for the children if their parents stay together and work out their problems than if they divorce. In light of the usual misandrist attacks in the OPs opening post, and the contesting of the fact that women initiate most divorces, I think it's worth pointing out which sex is often doing the least effort to keep relationships together.
Ross PK Posted March 18, 2009 Posted March 18, 2009 Uh... in what world is this true? The only guys who walk away if you don't sleep with them... are the ones that just want sex. Honestly, sometimes I just don't understand where women get info about men. STOP WATCHING SOAP OPERAS! Or wherever your getting this crappy advice. It depends on how long the woman is withholding sex. If it's a couple of weeks, I guess maybe that's normal. But if it's a few months then cherry blossom has a point.
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