All This Talk About Women Aging....

[Woggle]

I don't even think you meant to do it but you ended up making a very strong statment in terms of how important equality is in a relationship.

 

I do agree but an independent woman comes with her own set of problems. You have to avoid the types who have that I don't need a man mentality plus these women are the type to make decisions based on emotions that seem to change every 15 minutes. Either way a man usually ends up getting screwed.

[Sam Spade]

Well little did he know that when her wrote "When I'm 64" he would be royally getting screwed by a woman half his age (Warning: no kings or sexual contact of any form were used to form that statement)

 

he deserves it; the crazy is obvious in her eyes even when she was young, it just got much worse; (plus he didn't marry her till she was 30 and already looking like the hag she is now ) I wonder if most women go crazy at the age of 40:p (Probably this is nature's way ot telling men to move younger ?). She's a whacko .

[Woggle]

Paul Mcartney was just grieving about Linda and made a really stupid decision.

[clv0116]

....most young women don't want that for themselves.

 

If you want to discuss this, take it here please.

[pollywag]

he deserves it; the crazy is obvious in her eyes even when she was young, it just got much worse; (plus he didn't marry her till she was 30 and already looking like the hag she is now ) I wonder if most women go crazy at the age of 40:p (Probably this is nature's way ot telling men to move younger ?). She's a whacko .

 

 

So let me get this straight, he marries a 30 yr old woman, 30yrs his jr, yet you wonder why women over 40 go crazy?

 

Am I missing something here or does it seem you just want to spread hate for older women at any cost? Your comparisson doesn't even add up.

 

He did follow your "nature call" and moved younger, and where did it get him? If he didn't get a 22 yr old instead of a 30yr old it's either because he couldn't or he didn't want to.

[pollywag]

Ha ha ha haaaa!!!!

 

Are you seriously trying to tell me you really believe yourself when you say a 20 year old would be as attracted to and have as much in common with a rich 75 year old man as a 75 year old woman would? Puhleeeez!

 

 

Donna don't bother, the conclusion here is that men want to believe that they are being chosen by very young women for altruistic reasons like sexual desire and overall mental and spiritual appeal when if they found out that they lost everything over night the truth would be known.

 

There are far more women who will stay in an abusive relationship with a man they have a strong sexual pull towards than there are women who will stay with an old fogey who's got no money. It's man code to think women choose them for their shriveling up ding-dongs. You know... it's like what these men tell themselves when they have a small penis, that size doesn't matter. All great lies to live by that makes it all more bearable.

[Sam Spade]

So let me get this straight, he marries a 30 yr old woman, 30yrs his jr, yet you wonder why women over 40 go crazy?

 

Am I missing something here or does it seem you just want to spread hate for older women at any cost? Your comparisson doesn't even add up.

 

He did follow your "nature call" and moved younger, and where did it get him? If he didn't get a 22 yr old instead of a 30yr old it's either because he couldn't or he didn't want to.

 

In this case age is irrelevant - she would have made the life of any man of any age miserable. Sir Paul is no picnic either. There's a reason why he still looks like a baby .

 

We can debate away all we want, but biology is not yet completely our bitch. We're still its bitches, at least in part. A major part of women's identities is still composed of whether or not they've accomplished their role as a mother. regardless of whether or not they have accomplished this role (i.e. actually had kids already), or not (i.e. having kids is becoming less and less likely) there are bound to be major identity changes in the 40's either way. Some come out of them even nicer and more self-aware, some bust out the misandrist bitch they've been harboring all their lives . Either way, it is a challenge and arguably the change is more discrete and noticeable than in men (who basically just slowly, but evenly, decline).

[Trialbyfire]

Either way, it is a challenge and arguably the change is more discrete and noticeable than in men (who basically just slowly, but evenly, decline).

If that's what you want to believe, you're welcome to do so. Too bad that's far from the truth.

 

Women generally look beyond physicality for attraction. We're a lot more lenient about how men age, than men to women. It just makes men like you, way more shallow.

[pollywag]

Either way, it is a challenge and arguably the change is more discrete and noticeable than in men (who basically just slowly, but evenly, decline).

 

Yes of course it is, because the term "mid life crisis" pertains to pre-teen girls.

 

 

By the way is a change that is more discrete and noticeble like a very hot freezing day?

[Sam Spade]

Donna don't bother, the conclusion here is that men want to believe that they are being chosen by very young women for altruistic reasons like sexual desire and overall mental and spiritual appeal when if they found out that they lost everything over night the truth would be known.

 

There are far more women who will stay in an abusive relationship with a man they have a strong sexual pull towards than there are women who will stay with an old fogey who's got no money. It's man code to think women choose them for their shriveling up ding-dongs. You know... it's like what these men tell themselves when they have a small penis, that size doesn't matter. All great lies to live by that makes it all more bearable.

 

Hey, all women are opportunistic, nobody argues with that, we know it and embrace it for what it is ! (I'm far from having my ding-dong shrivel, but I already know that women chose me in part for my earning potential .)

[Sam Spade]

Yes of course it is, because the term "mid life crisis" pertains to pre-teen girls.

 

 

By the way is a change that is more discrete and noticeble like a very hot freezing day?

 

I have no desire to defend balding fags that decide to wear tight pants who they have no business wearing while scoping da hood in their red ferarri . Take a walk in the Gold Coast neighborhood in Chicago in summer, and if you don't vomit, I'll buy you a beer. Truth be told, those particular fags usually do manage to hook up with a young ho every once in a while .

[clv0116]

Women generally look beyond physicality for attraction. We're a lot more lenient about how men age, than men to women.

 

I agree, women do look at "physicality" but they have a lot more attributes to look at and more complex way of 'grading' than men. This does not make them evil cold hearted gold digging so and sos.

[clv0116]

I've been unable to unearth the actual study results - can anyone point me to the OP source study or a GOOD summary?

 

 

By the way is a change that is more discrete and noticeble like a very hot freezing day?

 

Discrete can also mean 'discontinuous' which is probably the intent based on context.

[Sam Spade]

If that's what you want to believe, you're welcome to do so. Too bad that's far from the truth.

 

Women generally look beyond physicality for attraction. We're a lot more lenient about how men age, than men to women. It just makes men like you, way more shallow.

 

Wasn't talking about the physical changes here, more about identity issues. Happens to men and women, but more likely to be more pronounced in women, due to the more discrete transition from fertile to non-fertile age. Has psychological impacts that some manage better than others.

[Woggle]

If an older man has the right swagger and mentality he can pull a younger woman. Jay-Z is almost old enough to be Beyonce's father and she certainly does not need his money so why is she with him? It is because of his mentality and that swagger. He isn't even that good looking but what he portrays mentally has attracted her.

[pollywag]

Hey, all women are opportunistic, nobody argues with that, we know it and embrace it for what it is ! (I'm far from having my ding-dong shrivel, but I already know that women chose me in part for my earning potential .)

 

 

I see so wanting a mate with equal footing is now considered opportunistic? With most women who have careers these days I doubt they are looking for a meal ticket, they are looking for a man who can equal her status socially and personally. How is that opportunistic?

 

What kind of equal footing does a young woman just starting out in the world bring to the table for a man who is old and is established socially, emotionally and in maturity? Please explain to me one equal aspect of that. I fail to see it.

[Trialbyfire]

Wasn't talking about the physical changes here, more about identity issues. Happens to men and women, but more likely to be more pronounced in women, due to the more discrete transition from fertile to non-fertile age. Has psychological impacts that some manage better than others.

Oh? Is that your point? Something tells me not.

 

Enmasse, men go through mid-life crisis and women go through meno-pause. Both have psychological impacts, more dramatic in some than others.

 

To enmasse assume that men handle MLC better than women handle menopause, isn't realistic, now is it? This is what you want, maybe need to believe but it's far from the truth. Did you know the auto industry deliberately produced more convertibles and sports cars in the luxury range, to capture all the MLC and menopausal types in the aging baby-boomer generation? Performance sports cars were targetting MEN!

[pollywag]

I have no desire to defend balding fags that decide to wear tight pants who they have no business wearing while scoping da hood in their red ferarri . Take a walk in the Gold Coast neighborhood in Chicago in summer, and if you don't vomit, I'll buy you a beer. Truth be told, those particular fags usually do manage to hook up with a young ho every once in a while .

 

 

So you call that a "slow and even decline" in men? That is how you described aging men earlier.

 

I think " loud, sad, and disturbing decline" would be more appropriate but let's not get hung up in a play of adjectives.

 

Don't think I need to go as far as Chicago to see that I get to see plenty of that where I live too. I thought we were special.

[clv0116]

Well let's see. 20 versus 50 year old woman, 10,000% better chance of having a retard, 20 versus 50 year old man, your child will have 3 fewer IQ points.

 

Seems a tiny bit different to me.

[burning 4 revenge]

If that's what you want to believe, you're welcome to do so. Too bad that's far from the truth.

 

Women generally look beyond physicality for attraction. We're a lot more lenient about how men age, than men to women. It just makes men like you, way more shallow.

Im disgusted by old hags

[Trialbyfire]

Im disgusted by old hags

Hence your thread about old wimmins. Are you projecting?

[burning 4 revenge]

Hence your thread about old wimmins. Are you projecting?

No, but that was silly to say men are much harsher on women

 

Women are much harsher on both men and women. WOmen are generally harsh, men are laid back

 

I htink womens sexiness peaks in their 30's btw. Theyre much sexier in their 30's than in their 20's generally speaking, but theyre much harder to impress

[Trialbyfire]

No, but that was silly to say men are much harsher on women

 

Women are much harsher on both men and women. WOmen are generally harsh, men are laid back

 

I htink womens sexiness peaks in their 30's btw. Theyre much sexier in their 30's than in their 20's generally speaking, but theyre much harder to impress

There's a subset of men who are very harsh on women but part of it, is that they also fear a lot of other things about women.

 

Women are more harsh on women and LESS harsh on men. You'll see a lot of forgiving behaviour for men, than the standard they hold women to.

 

Well, I think men in their thirties and forties are sexier. But that's just my preference.

[pollywag]

Well let's see. 20 versus 50 year old woman, 10,000% better chance of having a retard, 20 versus 50 year old man, your child will have 3 fewer IQ points.

 

Seems a tiny bit different to me.

 

 

Your example seems a tiny bit nuts to me.

 

First of all I don't know any women, having babies at 50. Second of all I am starting to think this "older women" have down syndrome babies to be a myth. I don't know one single famous couple (I am leaving the door open for anyone to offer an example of a famous woman in her 40s and up who has a down syndrome baby because I can't think of one) who has a baby with a mental disability because she had them late?

 

The only real life example I have is of a friend of my family who has a son who is on his second marriage. He is 35 and married a woman of 26, they had one daugther from before they got married and they just had another baby, wife would have been 27 and he 36. The second girl is born with DS and it was not caught in the ultrasounds they had no clue until the baby was born. Of course in your world the 27 yr old mother is probably over the hill, so if even at 27 a woman is too old to have babies in your eyes, there really is no other hope for women in general. That would mean that our entire world is made up of healthy babies being born exclusively to females between the fertile ages of 12 and 24.

[Jersey Shortie]

It may very well seem true from your perspective. I was inviting you to examine an option of thinking differently about it. IIRC, you're in your 20's (apologies if incorrect); I'm pondering, when you get to be that "older woman", what will decades of that thinking have brought you?

 

For me it comes down to self-preservation. It's better to be realistc, if even pesimistic, about the possibility of how men are going to think of me when I am older.. or not think of me. Then have hope for something ideally more that isn't going to be a reality but will turn out to be a bigger disapointment if I don't acknowledge it now. Look at how quite a few of the guys here talk about women in general. Not you obviously Carhill, but sadly, that is rare around here.

 

It's really no compliment to even the younger ladies, to me, this viewpoint about all women in general. Yes, I am in my 20s and not stupid enough to presume that I'm so special in my youth that that will surpass nature, that I won't age. But there is no woman between the age of 2-90 that doesn't need to feel beautiful to feel like a woman. And it would seem that some men would rather tear us down then lift us up. Again, not you Carhill.

 

I'm an "older man" and see countless beautiful, worldly, articulate and sexy older women around me. I married one. Even though the M hasn't worked out, I still think she's an asset to the world and will join the ranks I speak of.

 

Well, it's nice to know that some men can feel that way.

 

If anything, my life experience has shown me that women get better and more attractive as they age. If I was grounded in the superficial, I would have another perspective. So, anecdotally, "porn star bodies" are not required nor even prefered. Real woman bodies, minds and souls do just fine

 

Well, hopefully you had sons and raised them to think like that because as you can see, not too many men seem to.

 

It's not the fact that we age that bothers me. It's the fact that some guys seem to think they are immune to the natural order of the world beause they are "them" and that women deserve to be shot down doubly fo standards they don't hold themselves to.

 

he deserves it; the crazy is obvious in her eyes even when she was young, it just got much worse; (plus he didn't marry her till she was 30 and already looking like the hag she is now ) I wonder if most women go crazy at the age of 40 (Probably this is nature's way ot telling men to move younger ?). She's a whacko .

 

You're right. Women are worthless after 30 and men are spectatular human beings deserving of grace, respect and having all their needs met well into his 90s. Glad we established this. You win. Women loose. Better now?