Sam Spade Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 My best friend dates what would qualify as a career woman - she's a vet, has her own clinic. He is miserable, but for reasons that I don't understand, he is putting the effort to make it work. She's immature, preoccupied, distracted, and emotionally unable to deal with her own shet - he's the first one to suffer whenever she has a problem at work. She doesn't even make enought money to make it worth putting up with. So, I can see how the negative stereotype originates and gets perpetuated. I'm all for equality and career opportunities for women, but with that comes the responsibility to handle our own problems and not use them as an excuse to abuse our loved ones. Just because you are a woman and you have a career, does not entitle you to any special treatment , other than splitting the housework 50/50.
Woggle Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 My best friend dates what would qualify as a career woman - she's a vet, has her own clinic. He is miserable, but for reasons that I don't understand, he is putting the effort to make it work. She's immature, preoccupied, distracted, and emotionally unable to deal with her own shet - he's the first one to suffer whenever she has a problem at work. She doesn't even make enought money to make it worth putting up with. So, I can see how the negative stereotype originates and gets perpetuated. I'm all for equality and career opportunities for women, but with that comes the responsibility to handle our own problems and not use them as an excuse to abuse our loved ones. Just because you are a woman and you have a career, does not entitle you to any special treatment , other than splitting the housework 50/50. She would still be that way without her career. I have been with a woman that I had to support and right now I am with a woman that is successful and can survive fine without me. I must say that I am much happier and have a much better relationship right now. Men should stay away from the more independent than thou women but they reveak their true colors early on.
Untouchable_Fire Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 I'm just wondering if you are say in your 30's and a guy would 5-10 year older female that is WAY more sucessful than you, earns more, ultra-confident kind of manish but still not too unattractive be attractive to you? I guess I am asking if those traits are a turn on? I hope you know the type I'm talking about: very dominant, talks a lot but also passionate about her job... Would does traits be more attcractive than youth, beauty and kindness? It really depends. I am not attracted to a woman just based on her accomplishments. I would be just as attracted to a successful schoolteacher as a CEO. I like intelligence and passion, not $$$. In fact sometimes women in powerful positions are a turn off because of how they learn to relate to other people. Clinton is a perfect example. What guy would want that?
carhill Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 Do you really think she was never told this before? I am guessing she is at least in her 30's or 40's. Definitely she has. I know my wife has told her. Maybe it made more sense coming from a male friend, IDK. The male perspective. She's in her early 50's. Two ex'es. Adult children and grandchildren. Successful. Perhaps a classic example of a head-turner aging normally. Suddenly, the attention changes and the dynamic alters. Adaptation and growth are necessary. We all face that.
Chicago_Guy Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 I'm just wondering if you are say in your 30's and a guy would 5-10 year older female that is WAY more sucessful than you, earns more, ultra-confident kind of manish but still not too unattractive be attractive to you? I guess I am asking if those traits are a turn on? I hope you know the type I'm talking about: very dominant, talks a lot but also passionate about her job... Would does traits be more attcractive than youth, beauty and kindness? I wouldn't go for a woman like that, but it is mainly because of the personality traits. I personally cannot stand bossy women.
boxing123 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 Thus us very true. Many of these women are always on. They never ever stop to take life in and always seem high strung and stressed out. They just go and go and go and never seem to be accomplishing much. I accomplish more at work in 2 hours than they do in a whole day. This is true.. It is very difficult to meet a woman who can have a successful career, and also be laid back. I know several men that can be. It seems as though women have a hard time balancing life, fun, a relationship, AND a career. The career seems to consume them. If they are not at work, they are talking about it. Or buying clothes for it. Or getting clothes ready for the next day. Or having to hang out with work friends. Or gossiping about it. Or having to go to bed at 10, so they can wake up at 5 and get ready for 2 hours..
Isolde Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 To be honest, women have it pretty hard. We're expected to be everything to everyone: hardworking, yet able to pass on the reins; not clingy, yet not too independent; laid back, yet not lazy. Add PMS and you have a recipe for stress. I have no patience for bitchy, catty women, but being a girl myself, I can see where they might be coming from. If you meet a woman that is kind, hardworking (in whatever context she is working in, whether that's the home, career, or both), enjoys sex, and wants a relationship with you, consider yourself lucky, whether she's a careerist, SAHM, or anything in between.
soserious1 Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 Men never want career women... at least not till divorce time comes and they're faced with the prospect of hefty alimony and child support payments, then the woman who was so wonderfully feminine because she worked a crappy little Mcjob is viewed as a gold digging parasite. I'm in my early 50's have a very solid career in a male dominated industry. Work does not consume my entire life and hasn't since the early,lean years which are the years where work dominates every successful person's life. My drive and amibition supported and educated my children thru the master's degree level, it allowed me to be the sole bread winner in a marriage and is the same career that now allows my 55 yr old ex-husband to live quite nicely via the property settlement and alimony check he receives monthly. I get the message though.. women in my age range and in my life position are worthless socially and sexually. Aside from quietly resigning myself to being alone till I die I'm kind of curious about what it is you guys want/expect us older women to do? commit suicide? do you wish to parade us thru the streets, strip us naked and throw stones at us? I just don't get this constant act of rubbing it in our faces that we're old and nobody wants us. I know this and accept it, can't say that I blame guys either for prefering a smoking hot busty young babe over me.. but why all the hate? I accept my place,freely admit that I am visually repulsive to a sexual man, so why not let it rest there? Nobody wants us or considers us desirable.. we get it already, we really do.
samspade Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 I don't mind successful, or even type-A, as long as the woman isn't masculine in her behavior. That's the big difference. A lot of successful (in career) women are unsuccessful in romance, and they assume their success "intimidates" men. Wrong! It's the fact that they behave like penis-less men, which is a major turnoff. Keep the type-A shyt at work and let your man be the man.
Trialbyfire Posted March 16, 2009 Posted March 16, 2009 I don't mind successful, or even type-A, as long as the woman isn't masculine in her behavior. That's the big difference. A lot of successful (in career) women are unsuccessful in romance, and they assume their success "intimidates" men. Wrong! It's the fact that they behave like penis-less men, which is a major turnoff. Keep the type-A shyt at work and let your man be the man. Well sheesh, why didn't someone ever tell me this? As a 6'4", 400 lb woman, who can pick up your average guy and throw him like a shot put, 400 ft., no wonder I have such man problems. In the past, at work, I used to just kick the crap out of any man who wouldn't listen to me. This got me career advancement in record time. Damn, I guess I'd better find me a pink tutu and ballet slippers. I also should shave the hair all over my back.
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