VASH THE STAMPEDE Posted October 9, 2003 Posted October 9, 2003 I would have to agree with the non smoker here . Its a disgusting habit with the benefits of DEATH. Sorta like being married.LOL HAHA My wife ever saw this i'd be a dead fool.lol
befuddled1 Posted October 10, 2003 Posted October 10, 2003 I'm sure not going to miss the chance to get to know a potentially really great person all because they have a bad habit, I just wouldn't be that judgemental or narrowminded. There's more to a person than the fact that they smoke, I would think and hope. Humans aren't perfect, all kinds of habits (some dangerous, some not): drinking too much, drinking and driving, driving too fast, being a bad driver, eating tons of junk food, the list goes on. I've dated several guys who smoked and all but one were very considerate smokers: they didn't smoke while I ate, they didn't smoke in my home or in my car, or while I was in their car (their choice), the brushed their teeth frequently (some had the whitest teeth I've ever seen) and they were a blast. A lot less uptight than some of the non-smokers I've dated. 2 were the best kissers ever. I never smelled smoke on them at all and I have a pretty sharp sense of smell. So nope, I wouldn't write someone off for being a smoker although I'll clarify that to say that if they were a chain smoker and had horrid teeth and yellow fingers and reeked of smoke and couldn't go 2 hours without one then I might rethink that.
moimeme Posted October 10, 2003 Posted October 10, 2003 I just wouldn't be that judgemental or narrowminded. I wouldn't be able to stop coughing long enough to get to know them. Whether the odour lingers or not (and it usually does), the residues get to me.
Ryan Posted October 10, 2003 Posted October 10, 2003 Not a chance. I'm a vehement anti-smoker. If I so much as smell a whiff of cigarette smoke, expect me to be coughing loudly at or upon the offending party. You're welcome to do it where I don't have to be around it. This is one thing I LOVE about California - all the smoking bans in public places.
clia Posted October 10, 2003 Posted October 10, 2003 Smoking doesn't bother me at all. Both of my parents smoked, so I guess I'm used to it.
Jamie31 Posted October 10, 2003 Posted October 10, 2003 If I avoided everyone who did something that got on my nerves, I guess I would just be a hermit who never left the house!
clia Posted October 10, 2003 Posted October 10, 2003 No kidding, Jamie! I could name a thousand things that irritate me a lot more than a little cigarette smoke!
Jamie31 Posted October 10, 2003 Posted October 10, 2003 That's what I am saying, Clia! LOL I can understand how and why non-smokers avoid being around smokers....but I would rather be around someone smoking than around someone with Body odor, or someone with terrible breath that smelled like onions or someone coughing without covering their mouth, or flicking boogers everywhere!! LOLOLOLOL!!!! I could name a million things that is worse than a little cig smoke!!
yes Posted October 10, 2003 Posted October 10, 2003 i like social smokers. when u'r at a bar, having a smoke is just fine - i even enjoy the smell of smoke mixed w/ cologne or mint. so i'd date social smokers. people who smoke daily are just - i don't understand them - it's slow suicide - why do it? So no, i wouldn't date a heavy smoker. -yes
Original Lurker Here Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 There is a post in this thread from "Lurker" which is not me (I posted in the past under that name but haven't been here in about 2+ weeks due to vacation). This is not the first post I've noticed with that moniker. Guess I will either have to register and secure a permanent name or quit posting altogether. Either way, I did want to clear up the confusion in this thread. (For what it's worth, I have not smoked in 18 years and have no desire to nor to date anyone who does.)
Heidi2 Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 will you date a smoker? Will, most recently I was seeing someone whom in fact smokes.. And, during that time.. I d/n think much of it. Perhaps, b/c I was really into him regardless of his preference to inhale/exhale. But, now looking back.. I have to say that I definately d/n 'prefer' it. After awhile... @ least for me.. it gives me that headache which is sometimes not stainable. I guess it all determines how will 'you' as an individual can stand the exposure.
zman Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 I have dated a smoker before, and didn't like it. She was nice about it and tried to be considerate, but it just wasn't enough, and created a barrier between us. I wouldn't date a smoker again. I know a lot of women who say they don't smoke, but then they will light up if they are out at a bar having drinks. In my book, that makes you a smoker. If you only have one or two cigarettes a week, you are still a smoker in my book. You either smoke or not, so I wish people wouldn't say they don't when they do. Why is it that so many more women smoke than men? What is it about smoking that makes it a girl thing? I lived in Africa when I was in the Peace Corps, and over there only men smoked and it was percieved to be a guy thing. It seems to be that only in rich countries do more women smoke than men.
Heidi2 Posted October 12, 2003 Posted October 12, 2003 Originally posted by zman Why is it that so many more women smoke than men? What is it about smoking that makes it a girl thing? Well, coming from a girls' point of view.. y is it that most girls are also known to fight tougher than guys?? I feel both questions are too farfitged to receive one straight answer. I for one am not a smoker.. never tried it & never will. I d/n judge anyone whom does... However, at the same time.. no one needs to judge me for not wanting to.. it's like a catch 21 thing, if you ask me... Perhaps, in regards to your question: 'What is it about smoking that makes it a girl thing?', we have different type hormones which makes us prevail to do things.. as like a social & curiosity stance...??.. Anyhow, those are just my opinions...
CaterpillarGirl Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 I would NEVER EVER date a smoker! There is no one I love enough to risk not only my life for, but potential childrens' lives! And, to be trite, can I just say "yuck!?"
cindy0039 Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 Originally posted by zman Why is it that so many more women smoke than men? What is it about smoking that makes it a girl thing? I lived in Africa when I was in the Peace Corps, and over there only men smoked and it was percieved to be a guy thing. It seems to be that only in rich countries do more women smoke than men. It has not been my observation that more women than men smoke. Where do you live?
zman Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 Originally posted by cindy0039 It has not been my observation that more women than men smoke. Where do you live? I live in the United States. It's a well documented fact that women smoke at a much higher rate than men in the U.S., while in developing countries, women hardly ever smoke but many men do.
Christine Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 I would date a smoker. I am a smoker and my boyfriend isnt! and i would stop smoking if i got pregnent. And if i had children they would not be near me when i am smoking so it would not affect me having kids what so ever. If people want to smoke they smoke if people dont then they dont. I am not against non smokers i dont really care what people think if we (smokers) want to cut our life down by 5 mins every time we light up then thats up to us. Although saying that i think the non smokers who make a massive deal of smoking should chill out a bit.. Everyone makes there own lives and its not for others to judge! People drink i dont drink but i dont hate people who drink and i would not rule out dating someone who drinks.
CaterpillarGirl Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 "In the next 24 hours, 1,180 Americans will die from tobacco use. In all, 430,700 smokers die from tobacco-related disease each year. They are replaced in part by the 3,000 children who start smoking regularly every day. " (http://www.cdc.gov/nccdphp/aag/aag_osh.htm) No one's saying smokers are evil people. Stupidly ignoring or accepting the risk to their health, maybe. Why would I want to date someone willing to put my life and his at risk? (Second-hand smoke deaths in US = 53,000 people/year) Not to mention how smoking affects the way you look (http://www.ash.org.uk/html/factsheets/html/fact10.html) Oh, and did I forget to reiterate that smoking-related illnesses cost American taxpayers $150 billion a year! (http://www.cdc.gov/tobacco/research_data/economics/mmwr5114.highlights.htm)
Christine Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 You see.. Thats what i ment! U are giving me all the numbers and stats! I know them already. What i am saying is its not up to anyone to go on and on and on about how bad it is. For me it helps with serious anxiety disorder and thats why i do it. I dont need numbers and things i am saying its up to the PERSON what they do.. Not up to anyone else. Fair enought some people smoke near there family and kids. But thats up to them. Just like people who take drugs if they want to take drugs then they will take them. Same with allot of other things. We could all die tomoro getting run over by a bus but do we stop going out? NO. Everything has risks! U know what i am saying? Thousands of people die in there house each year, not smoking just doing DIY and other things. Thousands of people get run over.. But we dont stop going out the house and telling our loved ones not to go out! So numbers and stats ,mean nothing people can do what they want.
moimeme Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 There are VERY good anti-anxiety meds whose side effects do not include smelling bad and dying.
Christine Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 Not wanting to offend but if u have actually taken some and found out none of them worked then what would u do? Just stay off them and have several panic attacks a day? Maybe even try and commit suacide! I am sorry but u really dont know the way things are for some people.
CaterpillarGirl Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 Originally posted by Christine For me it helps with serious anxiety disorder and thats why i do it. There are anti-anxiety drugs that can be prescribed to you by your doctor with far less of a risk to your overall health. Fair enought some people smoke near there family and kids. But thats up to them. Just like people who take drugs if they want to take drugs then they will take them. Can't you see that their choices can negatively affect OTHER people. I'm sorry, but that is not okay with me. People driving while high or drunk have made a choice that can hurt innocent people. NOT OKAY. People smoking around their children, which can lead to these kids getting asthma, etc, is NOT OKAY with me. We could all die tomoro getting run over by a bus but do we stop going out? NO. Everything has risks! U know what i am saying? Thousands of people die in there house each year, not smoking just doing DIY and other things. Thousands of people get run over.. But we dont stop going out the house and telling our loved ones not to go out! So numbers and stats ,mean nothing people can do what they want. Do you walk into the middle of the street when a bus is coming? No? Why not? Because you are mitigating the risks to your life. Of course, there are inherent risks in life (lightning, gang shootouts, etc), but there are things we as logical human beings can do to increase our chances of survival (stay indoors during lightning storms, stay out of rough neighborhoods at night). This laissez-faire, "I could die tomorrow" attitude may help you to accept your mortality, but it offers no real instruction on how to live responsibly in the present. There are worse things than death. Terminal illness is not a soap-opera, moving thing. It is very much a reality, filled with pain, discomfort, depression, vomiting, etc. *sigh* Just trying to educate, not hate.
midori Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 Originally posted by zman I live in the United States. It's a well documented fact that women smoke at a much higher rate than men in the U.S., while in developing countries, women hardly ever smoke but many men do. Oops, wrong: 25.9 million American men (27.1%) and 22.8 million women (22.2%) are smokers. Here's a link: http://www.quit-smoking.net/smokingstatistics.html
Christine Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 Well did i ask to be educated? no! I am sorry i might have offended u but u really are way too touchy! As i said before people can do what the hell they want. If i want to risk my own life maybe die one day then thats 100% up to me. No one can preach to me telling me 'how bad' it is. Everyone makes up their own mind. Just because some people dont agree does not mean its wrong. And as for anti anxiety pills, i dont trust hardly any of them have u read the back? Do u know the stats on how many people actually commit suacide or try to when they are taking drugs that controll there thaughts? Maybe you should go and educate your self on what the stats and numbers are on that part. Anyways i kinda cant hang around having childish arguments. Listen ur right and i am right! We think diffrently as everyone is diffrent.
CaterpillarGirl Posted October 13, 2003 Posted October 13, 2003 Originally posted by Christine I am sorry i might have offended u but u really are way too touchy! I'm not offended, I'm righteously angered. Listen, seriously, I'm sorry if you don't want to be educated, but maybe there are others here who do. As i said before people can do what the hell they want. If i want to risk my own life maybe die one day then thats 100% up to me. Not if I end up paying for your Medicare bills, or if I'm sitting next to you in the park. And as for anti anxiety pills, i dont trust hardly any of them have u read the back? Do u know the stats on how many people actually commit suacide or try to when they are taking drugs that controll there thaughts? Maybe you should go and educate your self on what the stats and numbers are on that part. You know what? I already know what the risks are! Suicide is, unfortunately, a risk, but no treatment, or self-treatment, does not seem to decrease this risk significantly. You might be interested in this article: http://www.psychiatrictimes.com/p000937.html
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